Talk:Kyrgyz language

Kyrgyz vocabulary list (of Xinjiang)
Eastern Turki (as Spoken in Turkestan): Grammar, Turki-English Vocabulary, English-Turki Vocabulary, with English Phonetic Pronunciation FrReport of a Mission to Yarkund in 1873, Under Command of Sir T. D. Forsyth ... By Sir Thomas Douglas Forsythnt Cover Harold Whitaker

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I reverted the changes by 129.16.117.113, who had earlier:
 * Deleted the romanization of the native name and changed it to Cyrillic, when the Cyrillic already appeared right next to the romanization (i.e. Кыргыз тили (Кыргыз тили)) instead of (Кыргыз тили (Kirgiz tili))
 * Changed number of speakers from 3 to 7 million without citation
 * Changed "Kirghiz" to "KIRGIZ" (in all caps) for no obvious reason
 * Changed interlanguage link Киргизский язык (Russian) to non-existent
 * Changed interlanguage link Кыргыз Тили (Kyrgyz) to Кыргызча, which is just a redirect to Кыргыз Тили in the first place

Also, User:Amgine, I reverted your change of the native name. Now it's back to Кыргыз тили --- I freely admit my Kyrgyz is not good enough to make an independent judgment on this, but IMHO it's best to go with what the Kyrgyz Wiki itself calls the Kyrgyz language, namely Кыргыз тили. cab 01:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Kazakh & Kyrgyz related
The assertion that Kyrgyz is most closely related to Kazakh is debateable. It seems that the similarties between the two are artificial and have more to do with language contact than any genetic relationship. Kyrgyz seems most closely related to Altay & Kazakh to Karakalpak. Straughn 04:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This is most certainly the case—Kyrgyz and Altay share innovation that other Turkic languages lack, and Kazakh, Karakaklpak, and Nogay share innovation that e.g. Kyrgyz and Altay lack. Does something need to be changed? —Firespeaker (talk) 08:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

My first usage of Wikipedia discussion. First of all, any speaker of Kazakh or (not and) Kyrgyz will 100% agree that Kazakh and Kyrgyz are mostly related to each other (on top of that Kyrgyz and Kazakh have lived together for quite bit of time period in history). When language is concerned one should not try to come up with "genetic relationship" between nations in order to admit the fact, otherwise you would be declining truth. Altay is more related to Tatar same with Nogay. Karakalpak, yes it is similar but the not to the extent as Kyrgyz to Kazakh. PS, it is funny how non-Kazakh or non-Kyrgyz speakers "decide" on which language is most closest to that of, but the more fun is that those "determiners" have to find some 'genetic bonds' in order to be convinced, why? "because they are SCIENCE people, and they better be COOL than TRUE" by saying things like Nogay and Altay are closest to Kazakh and Kyrgyz (respectively). Nogay and Altay are also very negligibly spoken languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.161.55 (talk) 08:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You are misunderstanding the concept of genetic relationship between languages. This has nothing to do with people and DNA, but rather the branching of the language itself. How about you read the article Genetic relationship (linguistics) which is helpfully linked already. And I have no idea why it is "funny" that non-Kazakhs do linguistic research on Kazakh language. cab (talk) 10:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Genetic relationships between languages have nothing to do with genetic relationships between people. In linguistics, the word, "genetic", is used simply because the way in which languages are related to each other works in a broadly similar fashion to the way in which human groups are biologically related to each other. It's an analogy. In a similar way, we can talk about computer technology having "evolved" without intending to imply anything about biological evolution. 66.253.161.55 - three times in the last month you've deleted correct information. Whether you want to believe it or not, Kyrgyz is most closely related to Altay, not Kazakh. -- Hux (talk) 07:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * CaliforniaAliBaba, and Hux: thanks for clarifying the concept. First I really thought that 'genetic relationship' was referring to nations which confused me and made me make that first 'bold' comment and sorry if I crossed the line in trying to explain my reasoning by humiliating some people (I was not aware of such concept as relationship among languages at all so I thought your reasoning behind Altay being closer to Kyrgyz was based on DNA or ... again, sorry). As far as me deleting (or attempting to correct) the information - yes, my bad. I thought that for some reason my edits were not being performed in Wikipedia and tried 3 (may be more) times to edit that.
 * Being a native Kazakh speaker, I am really glad that people like you are interested in my language (and please, ignore my first comment :)) PS, I am surprised how Altay can be closer to Kyrgyz than Kazakh since Kazakhs can understand 90-95% or more of Kyrgyz (and I believe so do the Kyrgyzs about Kazakh). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.161.55 (talk) 04:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * What does the fact that Nogay and Altay have few speakers have to do with this? СЛУЖБА (talk) 05:23, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Pre-historic roots
I think the section on prehistoric roots really doesn't belong here in its current form. Best would probably be a summary of the halpotype stuff ("the Kyrgyz genetically show quite a high relative concentration of the R1a1 halpotype (63%), which has been linked to proto-IE speakers. This is curious, since Kyrgyz is a Turkic language." etc). The current stuff is rambly and much of it is unnecessary. I'm going to propose a merger, to take some of the material out of this section and put it in the Halpogroup article. —Firespeaker (talk) 08:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how a discussion of LINGUISTIC migration should be treated the same as GENETIC migration.--Marhawkman (talk) 06:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And to be honest it's a bit unclear to me what those few paragraphs imply... is it that the Kyrgyz do not descend from the Samoyed/Yeniseyan tribes rather from the 'autochthonous Siberian population' instead? If yes, then what's the said autochthonous Siberian population?! Of course it's true that you can't make assumptions about a language based on genes. Peoples had less problem abandoning their language for another in the past.
 * Added to that, to be honest I'm not really seeing how a rambling section about the supposed genetic history of the Kyrgyz should even be in an article about the Kyrgyz language. Wouldn't it be more at home in the Kyrgyz article? -- Hux (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That study only checked 2 nearby kishlaks in Central Kyrgyzstan. Later studies have shown much less haplogroup R in Kyrgyz. СЛУЖБА (talk) 05:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Arabic script for Kyrgyz
The current Arabic script for Kyrgyz tili is incorrect (قىرعىز ٴتىلى).

There is no need for an apostrophe; the character [غ] should be used for [ɣ],instead of [ع]. I can't remember if [ɨ] is represented with the character high-hamza yeh [ٸ], or if it follows the Uyghur convention of using the dotless-yeh (alef maqsura) [ى]:

قٸرغٸز تيلي

قىرغىز تيلي

Pachooey (talk) 20:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Relationship of Kazakh, Kyrgyz, and Altai
This was brought up above (see subsection: "Kazakh & Kyrgyz related") and not exactly resolved, but the opening section makes an unsourced claim that Kyrgyz is most closely related to the Altai language. The above discussion seems to indicate that there's a confusion between genetic relations of people and languages, and as most sources seem to group it with Kazakh (though not always under the name "Kypchak," Ethnologue calls them Aralo-Caspian), I'm going to remove it. But if there is an Altai substratum hypothesis for Kyrgyz, please do talk about it in the article, and provide sources. Thanks, --Quintucket (talk) 04:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

when this Iranian sickness in wikipedia going to end?
these Persian internet trunks are corrupting all wikipedia articles with their nounsenses about Iranian people, Iran is a recently invented name and its a Hebrew word, but they try to stirck themselves on Turkic white people, its a shame, none will ever accept Persians as white ethnics while they try to attach themselves to Turkic people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.164.110.55 (talk) 20:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

it is clear that you don't know the lexicology of persian language. Iran means Aryan "the lands of Aryan". Persian articles are not nonsense to your information but you are on lands of Persian and its values influenced your identity that is why whatever comes up with, it will take you to the origins of Persia. You should first accept your origins and then talk about what is nonsense, it is obvious that you do not accept your origins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AryanMK (talk • contribs) 03:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Fricativization of /k/ and /g/

 * The consonant phonemes /k/, /g/, and /ŋ/ have uvular realisations ([q], [ɢ], and [ɴ] respectively) in back vowel contexts (before back vowels). In front-vowel environments, /g/ is fricativised between continuants (to [ɣ]), and in back vowel environments both /k/ and /g/ fricativise (to [χ] and [ʁ] respectively).

This isn't exactly clear what happens to /k/ and /g/: they're [q] and [ɢ] «in back vowel contexts (before back vowels)» and «in back vowel environments both /k/ and /g/ fricativise (to [χ] and [ʁ] respectively)»?!? Fnugh (talk) 20:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Can you give examples with /χ/ in Kyrgyz words (not loans), we definitely have /q/, e.g. koltuk is pronounced as qoltuq. I'm not sure about these three, they all sound the same to me /ʁ/, /ɢ/ and /ɣ/. We also pronounce the word Ooba differently, b in the middle becomes somewhat like /w/. /k/ is also pronounced as /g/ at the beginning of words, e.g. kökürök is pronounced as gökürök. --158.181.135.135 (talk) 13:11, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

There is this Arabic loan акыбал, which is pronounced as ахвал.109.201.186.129 (talk) 22:24, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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Plurals
No mention on how plurals are formed in Kyrgyz which would seem significant. I had to read it on the French Wikipedia. Maybe I'll translate that section. Bastique ☎ call me! 02:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Kyrgyz Republic
Officially registered Kyrgyz website of the Kyrgyz Republic. The website contains information about new, weather and other necessary information in the Kyrgyz language Kyrgyzstan 31.184.250.11 (talk) 10:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Kesa ho
Kesa ho brother 110.37.78.94 (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)