Talk:LGBT rights by country or territory

“Western European” countries and other countries put into the wrong geoscheme
Some countries are not put in the correct geoscheme for certain continents. For example, the UK is erroneously stated to be in West Europe when it is in Northern Europe. OMGShay 92 (talk) 11:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The UK is in the northwest of Europe and can be classified as either Western European or Northern European depending on the context. 130.88.208.72 (talk) 18:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

LGBT rights map is incorrect
Hello.

I want some help in editing the map being used on LGBT rights by country or territory (Template:World laws pertaining to homosexual relationships and expression).

The information concering South Asia appears to be incorrect:


 * Pakistan should be changed to "Prison, with arrests or detention"
 * Bangladesh and Sri Lanka shoud be changed to "Prison, not enforced" (I have no idea why Bangladesh is coloured as having same-sex relationship legal protections).

There have been no arrets in Bangladesh or Sri Lanka during the past several years so I doubt they should be included.

I have a feeling that Pakistan might be controversial, but the following do state that there are arrests of LGBTQ in the country, especially the UK foreign office summary:

Pakistan

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/10/08/pakistani-courts-confirm-bail-for-yale-alum-after-lgbtq-inspired-photoshoot/

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/world/pakistan-police-arrest-couple-facilitators-over-gay-marriage-94974

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/62554b85e90e0729fef7bb5f/Pakistan_Sexual_orientation_and_gender_identity_or_expression.pdf



Shironese (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * PK: "although Pakistan has not convicted sexual minorities on the grounds of anti-homosexuality legislation, the situation is different within families, as 'hundreds of homicides are committed each year in the country in the name of family “honour”.'"
 * We don't map 'honour'-killings, so yellow seems right. — kwami (talk) 00:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The key is about arrests not convictions. In that case both Bangladesh and Pakistan should be light orange "Prison, with arrests or detention". In fact Pakistan has an unenforced death penalty on the books, so it ought to be dark orange actually. Both seem to be glossing over the reality.
 * There was one example post of an arrest in Sri Lanka, but upon further investigation it seems that it was not actally an arrest but the couple threatened to commit suicide, so were taken to hospital by the police. There doesn't seem to be anything for consensual sex. SamanthaWinning (talk) 12:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I did make some of these changes, and several more, but reverted myself when people objected. So far the refs haven't panned out. E.g. AFAICT Pakistan does not have the death penalty on the books. I'll take a look at the one you posted on the map talk page on Commons. — kwami (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I got about halfway through your supposed refs for Pakistan, and they pretty much all failed verification.
 * Since you've proven incapable of backing up your claims, I'll want something better before wasting any more of my time with lists of supposed sources. Specifically, provide quotations from each source that you think proves your claim, with a page, paragraph or section number if the source is not searchable so that we can verify that it says what you think it says. — kwami (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Gay relationships are still criminalised in 72 countries, report finds | LGBTQ+ rights | The Guardian
 * Pakistan does have the death penalty on the books. SamanthaWinning (talk) 09:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * kwami, be mindful of the language you choose. Regardless of the duration you have been editing Wikipedia, disrespectful interaction with other editors is prohibited. Period. 2604:4080:13F8:8320:183:756D:FB7B:E055 (talk) 21:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Homosexuality in Pakistan can be indirectly punished to death through the Offence of Zina. This source is from 2022.
 * "2.4.1 The Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) does not explicitly refer to same-sex sexual activity, but Section 377 defines ‘carnal intercourse against the order of nature’, as punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment for a period of 2 years to life. There is ambiguity on whether Section 377 applies to women, but it is assumed the law applies to both men and women. The Offence of Zina (Enforcement Of Hudood) Ordinance of 1979 criminalises any form of penetration in a sexual act outside of marriage. Whilst consensual same-sex sexual acts are not explicitly covered by these provisions since LGBTI people are not able to marry they suggest that any same-sex sexual acts that involve penetration could be prosecuted under sharia provisions and may be punished by death. There are no laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, consensual same-sex sexual acts are prohibited as are same-sex civil unions or marriages, and same-sex couples cannot adopt children (see Legal rights and Application of the law)."
 * https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pakistan-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-and-expression-pakistan-april-2022-accessible--2 WindofWasps (talk) 23:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * We haven't been counting adultery laws in other countries. — kwami (talk) 00:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Dominica
Dominica has abolished its sodomy law, so the timeline and "laws by county" table should be changed to reflect this.

https://76crimes.com/2024/04/22/anti-sodomy-law-dominica/

https://dominicanewsonline.com/news/homepage/news/breaking-news-dominica-high-court-rules-punishment-of-homosexual-acts-as-unconstitutional/ 2A00:23C5:FC94:4801:689D:C075:9823:6003 (talk) 20:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

LGBT in Bahrain
Same-sex sexual activity is punishable by Bahraini Penal Code provisions on incitement to immorality.

some of the past cases in the bahraini press are:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190829211700/https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/bahrain/bahrain-arrests-scores-in-raid-on-gay-party-1.757328

https://www.alayam.com/online/local/609527/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/first/525850/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/282567/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/local/385187/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Variety/415745/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Variety/120709/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Variety/449454/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/online/local/779868/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/232648/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/542074/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/local/468667/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/286833/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/283906/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/257307/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Variety/412689/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/273655/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/online/local/785273/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/276860/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/alayam/Courts/168942/News.html

https://www.alayam.com/online/local/855553/News.html

http://www.alwasatnews.com/news/945690.html

https://alwatannews.net/Bahrain/article/978487/%D8%AD%D8%A8%D8%B3-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%87%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AC-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B0%D9%88%D8%B0-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%8A-%D9%88%D8%A5%D8%BA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%82-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B7%D8%B9%D9%85 Khalidhassan78 (talk) 17:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Gay and Lesbian rights in the Gaza Strip
Gaza should changed to none as the legality of homosexuality is not explicitly defined in its laws and there is no evidence of the enforcement of any (non-existent) anti-gay laws by the ruling government. https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/232088 https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/ap-corrects-story-falsely-claiming-homosexuality-illegal-palestinians Lucycobra (talk) 14:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * FYI, several discussions by editors have concluded that The Electronic Intifada is not generally to be considered a reliable source. Remsense  诉  14:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I was using it mainly for the full quote by Dr. Anis F. Kassim which is missing from my original source. Lucycobra (talk) 15:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I had added in that source before as well, to LGBT rights in the State of Palestine but it was removed, as a person who disagrees with the most recent consensus for that source (I would have favored Option #2). I think for now, however, that article is fine, stating there is "Mixed legality" of LGBTQ+ in State of Palestine: "West Bank – legal since 1951, equal age of consent [;] Gaza Strip – no consensus on applicability of British 1936 Sexual offences provisions to homosexual conduct" Historyday01 (talk) 15:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage in Nepal
Can someone provide an official and authoritive source that proves same-sex marriage is legal in Nepal?


 * There have been two separate court rulings directing the Nepali government to provide same-sex couples with spousal visas, but considering that there have been two court rulings over the same matter, has anything actually changed in real life?
 * There has been one same-sex marriage registered in a rural area, but it seems to be between transgender people.

WindofWasps (talk) 18:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The following article written on the 14th December 2023 claims that Nepal did not achieve marriage equality "quite yet". There was a register created to "recognise" same-sex marriages while the supreme court case was pending, but this article claims that "inconsistent bureaucracy make it virtually impossible for most queer couples to marry". Furthermore the one that was eventually recognised by the Nepali government was between a cis-gender male and a transgender female.
 * https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/14/did-nepal-achieve-marriage-equality-not-quite-yet WindofWasps (talk) 18:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)