Talk:Lake Estancia

Is there any more information on human settlements/culture/history?
{{ {{strikethrough|While this article seems to have a wealth of detailed, well supported scientific information, it seems to be lacking a lot of information on history, culture, and human settlements. Is there any way to potentially add to this article?

This is the extent of information on history, culture, and human settlements:

"Man first arrived in the Estancia Basin during a period where Lake Estancia was dry, before the rebound of water levels that took place during the Younger Dryas. The last lake cycles of Lake Estancia coincide with the Folsom period of human culture in North America. Unlike the lake itself which offered no useful resources, the surrounding region and shores were likely favorable environments for human settlement; numerous points including Folsom points have been found close to the former shores and on lake terraces. The "Lucy site" and the "Martin site" are archeological sites in the Estancia Valley; both are located in spots where water was available. Long after the lake dried up, Spaniards reported that Pueblo people traded with salt from the lake basin and there were disputes between the Church and State in the 1660s about its exploitation."

There has to be more information out there. Just wanted to post this and perhaps question the featured article status. Not saying it's a bad article at all, it could just use more non-geological information.}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertambition (talk • contribs)
 * This omission is purposeful, since the lake was mostly gone when humans came and with the exception of the things mentioned the lake has not had many effects on humans and their culture. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah ok, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for telling me. That's a little embarrassing on my part. Sorry about that. Desertambition (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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Addition about humans
I have some concerns about this addition by. One, it is about the Tularosa Basin, not Lake Estancia, they are two different lakes. Two, this later source raises doubts about the timing presented there. Even if the addition were to stay, though, it needs reworking; there is no reason for it to use secondhand sources and the citation format should match that of the article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that source; it does raise a compelling argument. I do think the inclusion of the word "possibly" duly reflects this uncertainty (the source you provided should be added to the article after that word), but maybe it could be worded better/clearer, or include a note that it is conditional on the WSNP evidence being correct. I, myself, remain somewhat skeptical of early migration, but merely added what was in the sources (and WSNP is far from being the only possibly-prochronic American site). I could not even find any counter-sources until you provided the link to the paper (Thanks again!). The bottom line is that I felt that if the WSNP evidence is indeed correct, that would mean a possibility that humans witnessed this and other SW paleolakes at highstand, which is notable enough to be included in the article. Kehkou (talk) 10:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It still sounds like content more for White Sands National Park or Lake Otero if it is ever written, not Lake Estancia. I don't think we can categorically assume that if people went to lake A they also went to lake B. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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