Talk:Lego Indiana Jones 2: The Adventure Continues/GA2

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: SyntheticSystems (talk · contribs) 22:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria[edit]

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Review[edit]

  1. Well-written:
  2. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (prose) The prose is decent but requires an understanding of the game to comprehend and many of the transitions are weak. On hold On hold
    (b) (MoS) No MoS violations. Pass Pass
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (references) References match up what is in the article. Pass Pass
    (b) (citations to reliable sources) All statements are sourced. Pass Pass
    (c) (original research) No original research, although the author may have played the game. Pass Pass
    (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) No plagiarism. Pass Pass
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (major aspects) As stated earlier, an understanding of the game is necessary to understand the article. On hold On hold
    (b) (focused) Certain sections, such as the development section, don't go into enough detail. On hold On hold
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Notes Result
    Neutral. Pass Pass
  9. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  10. Notes Result
    No edit wars. Pass Pass
  11. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  12. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) Images need alt text. On hold On hold
    (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) Image placement could be better. On hold On hold

Result[edit]

Result Notes
On hold On hold Needs more improvements but is workable.

Discussion[edit]

This is one of my favorite games so I am happy to be reviewing it. SyntheticSystems (talk) 22:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! I've added the alt text, and hopefully improved a bit of prose. I also did some small reformatting to make the image placement more ideal. I also renamed Development and release to Leak and release, as it more accurately reflects the content of the section. Regarding concerns that prose requires an understanding of the game to comprehend and many of the transitions are weak, could you show prose that you found egregious in this regard? I'd noted myself that those who had never played Lego games may have a tough time understanding characters and such. Mebigrouxboy (talk) 00:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
While I am not the reviewer of this article, I just wanted to butt in and note that the portable version of this game is individually notable and should not be a part of this article, but rather located at Lego Indiana Jones 2: The Adventure Continues (handheld video game). The Nintendo DS version got reviews from IGN, Nintendo Power and Nintendo Gamer, as well as a GamesRadar+ one unlisted on Metacritic, and should be split off before this becomes a Good Article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 13:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is splitting the article off based on different releases with different content commonly done? I know that it's not the case in Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy, an FA, for its mobile release, which is seemingly even more distinct than Lego Indiana Jones 2's handheld release. Although, I don't really know the notability of that release over the main. Mebigrouxboy (talk) 00:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If it's individually notable and markedly different from the console release, yes. Also, Lego Star Wars II became a featured article in 2009. A lot of FAs from that time were way more lax on standards and it's likely the mobile version should be split off too, although with only an IGN and Pocket Gamer review, I am unsure if it actually passes GNG and may need to remain merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 06:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the lead section needs to be expanded. Stuff like "In addition to the level creator, there is also a character creator, although Lego Indiana Jones 2 is not the first Lego game to include such a feature" could also be reworded. I think Lego Batman 2: DC Super Heroes is a good example of what the article should look like. SyntheticSystems (talk) 17:59, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've reworded the mentioned section, clarified/rewritten a couple of other sentences, and added a new sentence to the lead. By the way, I'd appreaciate to hear what you make of Zxcvbnm's inputs regarding the hanheld's notability. Mebigrouxboy (talk) 03:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Lego Batman 2 article is still a good example. SyntheticSystems (talk) 17:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the 2 weeks of no edits, I've returned with some rewording and a new section regarding character abilities, like is in the Lego Batman 2 article. Other than that, I don't know where there can be more parity. Looking through the information contained in that article, it seems that it's all either not applicable or poorly formatted in the Lego Batman article. Also, I'd like to ask about the status of the On Hold boxes, which do you now consider complete? Mebigrouxboy (talk) 23:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will write a more thorough review later today or tomorrow. SyntheticSystems (talk) 15:47, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Second review[edit]

Lead[edit]

  • Mentioning the platforms in the first sentence is weird.
  • The Lego theme is already established.
  • "2008 game" could become "2008 video game".
  • Could mention the credits in there.
  • "The game" is used way too much, needs better sentence starters.
  • Could mention leak and development (if possible).
  • Reception section needs work. Maybe add in the platform stuff there and then talk about Metacritic and individual reviews?
  • "It is generally seen as inferior to the original game" is not NPOV.

Gameplay[edit]

  • First sentence could offer a broader overview on the game (e.g. what type of game is it, point of view), something like "Lego Indiana Jones 2: The Adventure Continues is an action adventure game themed around Indiana Jones. The game uses a third-person perspective" instead of the Lego minifigure sentence.

Plot[edit]

  • I think "Synopsis" works better as a title.

Leak and release[edit]

  • This section really needs information on the development of the game.

References[edit]

  • Looks good. I found a few sources on Google Books that could also help, like Archeogaming.

Comments[edit]

Mebigrouxboy Done. SyntheticSystems (talk) 15:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's going to take me a while before I can implement these — my browser abruptly closed and did not save my almost-done edit. Mebigrouxboy (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I've made nearly all of these changes and cleared up some of the density of 'the game' usage. However, I'm confused what you meant by The Lego theme is aready established. What is this in reference to? I have a similar issue with Maybe add in the platform stuff there and then talk about Metacritic and individual reviews? Mebigrouxboy (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so I guess I've lost the edit twice now. Don't know what happened there... Mebigrouxboy (talk) 00:25, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I went ahead and split off the handheld parts to a new article, and added enough sourcing it can stand on its own, as I noted before. This shouldn't really affect the current article at all, it was pretty much entirely removing content that was in a different section anyway. But, if there is anything remaining in this article that is specific to the handheld version, it should be moved over. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 07:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"A Lego-themed game" for the first one. Don't worry about Metacritic. SyntheticSystems (talk) 15:23, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I've cut out the redundancy and did some minor rewordings at the lede. Mebigrouxboy (talk) 20:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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