Talk:Lewis Hamilton/Archive 8

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2023
Lewis Hamilton used a special one-off helmet design during the 2023 Japanese Grand Prix third free practice, qualifying and race (a chrome silver base with a golden vertical stripe), however, this information is not found in the helmet section of the page. The Mercedes AMG F1 team also published previews of this helmet on their WhatsApp group. https://www.sportstiger.com/news/lewis-hamilton-to-wear-all-chrome-helmet-at-japanese-grand-prix-2023 I have attached here a reference article if needed. SentientRaptor (talk) 17:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2023
The Brazilian citizenship should be added, since he obtained it, and was there in presence to receive it. Antonioconselheiro79 (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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www.lewishamilton.com
The site is not online... Maybe better to change it to FB, or Instagram or X or Pinterest (when Sir Lewis Hamilton) get Pinterest 🙂 WilsonPhotoLanguage (talk) 10:05, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Yah u right 👍 Junior Moremi (talk) 14:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2023
41.121.92.4 (talk) 13:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC) I want the permission to edit articles41.121.92.4 (talk) 13:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Liu1126 (talk) 15:31, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Template stating article is too long and needs condensing
Hi,

Regarding the template on the main article (dated October 2023):

Suggested sections for condensing/shortening are the activism/philanthropy section and the media reception section. Also, it might be worth completely removing the honours and achievements section from the bottom of the page and to simply leave a small paragraph or sentence directing the reader to the main article for this List of career achievements by Lewis Hamilton - Wikipedia

Feedback, suggestions and Input from other editors/users on how to reduce the size/improve the page would be appreciated. Thank you

Koppite1 (talk) 22:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

How do we edit
I want to know how to edit an error Junior Moremi (talk) 13:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This page is currently semi-protected due to persistent vandalism, so as an unconfirmed editor you cannot edit this page yet. You may request changes to be made by following the instructions at Edit requests. Liu1126 (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liu1126 Thanks 🤗🤟 Junior Moremi (talk) 16:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2023
At the Qatar Grand Prix hamilton qualified third for the race and 12th for the sprint. he finished the sprint in 5th position. in the race at the start he tried to overtake teammate Russell and Max Verstappen into turn 1 but collided with Russell and went out of the race leading to his first retirement of the season. after the race Hamilton apologised to his team and to Russell admitting responsibility for the Collison on lap 1. Hamilton struck back from the disappointment Qatar by qualifying third for the United States Grand Prix and third for the sprint race. he finished second in the sprint. in the main race he tried to run longer then rivals Max Verstappen and Lando Norris but his tyres went off costing him 30 seconds. despite a brilliant drive he ran out of laps to catch Verstappen who won his 15th race of the season. Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said the strategy cost the team the win. however Hamilton was later disqualified from the race along with ferrari's Charles Leclerc due to his cars rear skid blocks being worn too much. this marked his first disqualification since the 2009 Australian Grand Prix.

Hamilton qualified 6th in Mexico. At the start he benefitted from Charles Leclerc and Sergio Perez's collision into turn 1 to move up into 5th place and later benefitted from the red flag after Kevin Magnussen's crash to take second place. this meant with three race to go he sat 20 points behind Sergio Perez setting a fight for second in the standings.

Hamilton went in the Sao Paulo Grand Prix as a favourite for the race win due to how well Mercedes 1-2 at the 2022 edition. Hamilton qualified 5th for both the sprint and main race. he jumped into 4th at the start of the sprint but tumbled down the order after the tyres struggled to grip the tracks surface and finished the sprint 7th. Hamilton after this race said Mercedes weren't winning. in the main race he jumped into third for both starts but the same problems in the sprint happened and he finished 8th place marking his worst race finish since the Austrian Grand Prix.

Hamilton Qualified 11th for the inaugural Las Vagas Grand Prix. he was charging back up the order when a small incident with Oscar piastri left him with a puncture and in 19th and last place. he charged back up again to finish 7th place. this meant his bid for second in the championship was now over as Sergio Perez was now 41 points ahead of him but due to poor results from rival drivers like Fernando Alonso and Lando Norris, he mathematically secured third place in the drivers championship for the first time in his career.

Hamilton qualified 11th and finished 9th in the season finale at Abu Dhabi, contributing to Mercedes narrowly holding on to second in the constructors championship, finishing 3 points ahead of Ferrari.

Hamilton finished third in the championship with 234 points. he secured 6 podiums and 1 pole position during the campaign but failed to secure a race win for the second consecutive season. 2A02:C7C:678A:9900:28F4:8E81:1992:8087 (talk) 17:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 20:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Racial Description
Twice this article refers to Lewis Hamilton as being mixed race, and once states ‘identifies as black’. This seems unnecessary and racially charged. Lewis could not identify as white because he is black. He does not identify as black, he is black. There also seems no need to continually (if at all) refer to his race, let alone describe him as mixed race. Again this feels racially charged, written by someone who has issues with race. These topics and parts need removed. 2A02:C7C:40C7:E300:8DD5:64C9:3A03:2728 (talk) 10:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Lines to be added beneath Other Ventures
On November 24th, 2021, Jadu (website), a digital art creator with a focus on augmented reality world building, revealed they were partnering with Hamilton to release a signature hoverboard alongside other significant figures such as Canadian musician GRIMES, American rapper, Snoop Dogg; visual artist, Mimi Onuoha and NFT curator, Trippy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen netu (talk • contribs) 14:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2024
change the age 38 to 39 as he is now 39! 2A02:3100:5CA7:6302:60CE:112F:93A3:25EB (talk) 23:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done it will change automatically Cannolis (talk) 00:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Ferrari
The move has not been confirmed by anyone within mercedes, ferrari , f1 or Lewis himself hold edits about his transfer till further confirmation as rumors like this happened before  •C y b erw o l f• talk? 14:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree that it's currently WP:SPECULATION until confirmed by one or more of the teams. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I wish there would be a sports speculation and how news agencys shouldn’t be cited independently but with the team or organization press release to further verify •C y b erw o l f• talk? 15:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I notice his Ferrari has been added, despite that the fact that Sky Sports article clearly shows they believe it to be true but haven't had official confirmation.... Joseph2302 (talk) 15:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Removed until an official announcement from either Mercedes or Ferrari. LouisOrr27 (talk) 16:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would delete or specify that it hasn’t been confirmed by Mercedes or Ferrari or Lewis haven’t confirmed this  •C y b erw o l f• talk? 16:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it better to leave the article without it until an official announcement from either Mercedes, Ferrari or Lewis. LouisOrr27 (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * News agencies are the equivalent to a middle school •C y b erw o l f• talk? 16:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Mercedes didnt know and was caught off guard •C y b erw o l f• talk? 17:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ferrari and Mercedes have refused to comment. Mercedes F1 staff were told in a meeting with team principal Toto Wolff and technical director James Allison on Thursday afternoon BBC says Why doesn’t Mercedes Ferrari or Hamilton say anything •C y b erw o l f• talk? 17:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Mercedes have just put out a press release, nothing from Ferrari yet though. Shaws username (talk) 19:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ferrari confirmed I give the green light to add him going to ferrari https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1753133900925129140 •C y b erw o l f• talk? 19:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Its also confirmed by the official F1 social medias. Rawsar6 (talk) 19:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2024
Change MBE to KBE. Lewis Hamilton got the title MBE in 2009, but has since become a KBE, which is why he can use "Sir".

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.seven-time-f1-champion-sir-lewis-hamilton-knighted-at-windsor-castle.5tY9cYG8dFe6nqLsYD1YQ4.html

https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-what-is-the-difference-between-lewis-hamilton-honor-as-mbe-and-christian-horner-honor-as-cbe/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/30/arise-sir-lewis-hamilton-given-knighthood-in-new-year-honours-listhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/30/arise-sir-lewis-hamilton-given-knighthood-in-new-year-honours-list EstherB (talk) 18:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. I see this has been addressed. EstherB (talk) 18:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See the above thread for details. SSSB (talk) 19:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Lack of noteworthy information in the lead
Recently, some of my contributions to the lead section were deleted by Lobo151, with the rationale cited as "NPOV". I understand this pertains to the claim "Hamilton is the most successful (statistically, do not confuse it with "greatest") driver in Formula One history", which could be debated, though a similar assertion exists in the Sebastian Vettel article. However, I'm puzzled by the removal of post- information; omitting it renders the lead misleading after the mentioning of his record-equaling titles. Shouldn't there be a mention of his controversial title loss in and Mercedes' struggles in the current ground effect era? Additionally, details about his driving style were also removed from the lead, despite such information being commonplace in most driver articles. I believe these aspects are noteworthy and warrant inclusion in the lead. Autoadrenaline (talk) 11:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * This is to much detail for the lead. Most information is mentioned in the article itself. See for example Driver profile. Also another example "Following a successful stint of six years with McLaren" is not a fact. The same for "controversially missing-out". Lobo151 (talk) 23:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * According to MOS:LEADLENGTH, my lead version maintains an appropriate level of detail and is permissible for inclusion. Additionally, WP:LEAD emphasizes the importance of encapsulating key elements of the article within the lead section. The information I introduced is widely regarded as crucial by various Wikipedia editors, evident in its presence in comparable driver articles. As previously mentioned, the current lead lacks significant factual content and may mislead readers.
 * The information I incorporated aligns with Wikipedia's core content policies—WP:NPOV, WP:VERIFY, and WP:NOR. Citing sources within the article corroborates Hamilton's successful tenure with McLaren, evidenced by championship victories, numerous race wins, pole positions, and podium finishes. Notably, an entire paragraph addresses the controversies surrounding the 2021 title loss, underscoring their factual basis. I encourage a review of WP:POVDELETION, which underscores the preference for rephrasing rather than outright deletion of pertinent information. Autoadrenaline (talk) 07:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

FYI, the Autoadrenaline account has been blocked as a sockpuppet; see Sockpuppet investigations/XT RedZone/Archive. Carfan568 (talk) 16:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2024
Hamilton was NOT the first Black driver, Willy T. Ribbs was an F1 driver in the '80s 92.249.247.156 (talk) 15:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Willy T. Ribbs did not ever compete in Formula One, only testing.  Cerebral726 (talk) 16:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2024
'Being the only black child racing at his club, Hamilton was subjected to racist abuse'. I think the the word 'black' in this sentence should be changed to 'mixed-race'as he is mixed race, not black. It wouldn't make sense to describe him as 'white' because his father is black, so it shouldn't make sense to describe him as 'black' as his mother is white. Liam-0060- (talk) 20:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Per the source, Hamilton describes being "the only black family."  Cerebral726 (talk) 20:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * yes but he is wrong to describe himself as black. he isn't - he is mixed race. Liam-0060- (talk) 23:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Whether he is wrong or right is irrelevant. Wikipedia follows the reliable sources, and the reliable sources describe him as the only black family, so therefore we must too. But, it is not wrong to describe Hamilton as being black - the source is not describing his ethnicity, it is describing his appereance. Look at the definitions of "black" at the Cambrige dictionary, and you will notice that when describing a person using "black" as a noun (you will need to scroll down a bit) ethnicity doesn't come into it at all - and for none of the relevant definitions is ethnicity a requirement. SSSB (talk) 07:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Why is he called "MBE" rather than "KBE"
Under his name he is called MBE which he was awarded in 2008 however in 2020 he was awarded a KBE which is a higher title. Despite this his title has not been upgraded even though he is called a "sir" above. Should it not be changed into KBE? DuxLoKi (talk) 23:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * (I'm not an expert, but as I understand it) Hamilton is not a KBE (Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire) but simply a Knight Bachelor which is a slightly different honour and does not get a post-nominal letters. SSSB (talk) 07:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree, from what I've read, but if he is Knight Bachelor, he should not have the MBE post nominal, right? 4rkange1 (talk) 03:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Why not? He is still a Member of the British Empire. Being a Knight Bachelor does not overrule this. SSSB (talk) 06:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I see. May I assume that as in the thread below, he was granted MBE in 2009, but more recently KBE? 4rkange1 (talk) 09:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. That's exactly what happened (and quite common) SSSB (talk) 12:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No - MBE, then Knight Bachelor (Kt, but not used as a post-nominal unless there is a clashing title). Ian Dalziel (talk) 14:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)