Talk:Lisette Olivera

More
Can you add more photos? Also, from where in LA? And born in Cal.? Parents, sibs (one interview mentioned a sister?), something more about grandparents (story of mother carried across river into US by grandpa?) What college? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.60.1 (talk) 09:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, apparently worked for, even choreographed performance at, Disneyland California? 80.233.60.1 (talk) 09:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. For now, at least, no other images are available to us. One from a film or TV series, at least, would be nice, but not very likely to come, due to copyright. We do not yet have further data on locations, and I don't recall seeing about a sister, or the name of a college but I will check 1-2 interviews. The Disneyland point was mentioned on a less well-known site than the ones the article is currently grounded on. SeoR (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)


 * It might be the LA suburb called La Verne, an upper-middle-income sort of place, around 30k people, average household income 80-100kUSD, nice housing, own university. It's 25-30km from the LA center, such as that is. There are sites that help with this but they only work if you're inside the USA. Surely this sort of thing comes up in a cast interview with Ms Alexis / Olivera. Is the new stage name explained somewhere? 109.144.212.175 (talk) 11:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Additional sourcing
Spanish language reference — https://disneylatino.com/novedades/quien-es-lisette-olivera-la-actriz-que-interpreta-a-jess-en-la-leyenda-del-tesoro-perdido-al-filo-de-la-historia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.59.1 (talk) 14:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will use it to add LA to the bio. SeoR (talk) 01:25, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Man, there must be lots of Hispanic coverage, and surely an article in whatever Wikis cover Latin American Spanish, plain Spanish and maybe even the two forms of Portuguese, have you checked these? Funny enough the only article linked now is in Russian, and there's even a Lisette Olivera fansite in Russki! 83.70.29.187 (talk) 12:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Origin story
Nice start to an article. Somewhere there is an account of an actress of one of these names with a real American Dream story: father Ruben crossed one way, mother Guadalupe as baby on shoulders of abuelo another, then parents and uncle started making icecream Mex-style to sell from carts, then built a factory, became leading suppliers of helados, paletas, and more. Is this that family? 83.220.239.102 (talk) 11:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, but could you provide a link to a source for the story, so it can be looked into? Here we can discuss article improvements but to go into the article text, especially for a living person, we'd need solid referencing. Google shows a Ruben Gutierrez as co-founder of a Mexican ice cream stand in Turlock, CA, which grew into a large business, later sold by Ruben and Guadalupe Gutierrez, but no immediate link to the subject of this article (only a photograph which may relate - that won't do). SeoR (talk) 12:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Disney series budget
There are mentions here and elsewhere of a budget of 100 million USD. That sounds likely enough, if a little steep, for a set of long-ish (~50 mins) episodes, but I'm not sure if the cites are the best. There is an authoritative (tax-declared) production budget of 79.3 million, and I guess the other 20 million is marketing and distribution cost, but if a single high-quality source is available for the total, that would be great. SeoR (talk) 13:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Review(s)
How much review material is proportionate? Not many go into detail on an actress so new to the bigtime, focusing more on Catherine Zeta-Jones and overall comment. And some major percentage of private "reviews" seem to be review-bombing, or claim to be "anti-woke" who do not like the cast mix. Anyway, one from Australia had some useful perspective on both the Disney series, and Ms Olivera / Alexis: (on the original films) "the perfect fit for a world reeling after the events of 9/11 when we needed brave souls and brawny humans to defeat evil, reclaim our pride, and make us feel safe." but now "this series holds the insufficiencies of the original movies and rewrites them with cultural clarity, nuance – and a healthy dose of adventure.", while of the lead character "Jess is the every-woman of Generation Z. And her close group of friends reflect this too – her flatmates and best friends represent different nationalities and points of view.", and the actress "the way Olivera portrays Jess as strong, confident and intelligent while also being vulnerable is a testament to her acting", summing-up with "National Treasure: Edge of History is a treat. A spin-off that gives a truer, more nuanced and wittier take on the original, this heralds in a new version of patriotism for a generation who represents all peoples everywhere." 51.171.243.62 (talk) 17:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Search engines
How is it that I found this page in DuckDuckGo but Google does not show it? Censorship?!?, or the big G is also down on this show, fanboys of the creaky old films, or anti-diversity, or whatever? 87.198.211.142 (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No censorship, no aspersions on any search engine, no anti-diversity. Wikipedia has a review process for new pages, and flags unreviewed pages in a way that does not make them readily visible in many search engines until some checks are done. As a "deep search engine", DuckDuckGo probably does not follow this cut-out process, but Google certainly does. I hope that helps / clarifies, and avoids any rumours / conspiracy fears spreading. SeoR (talk) 15:54, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Minority rep
"Fewer than two percent of leading movie roles go to Latino actresses, according to USC's Annenberg Inclusion Initiative." 89.19.88.40 (talk) 10:45, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This is interesting, if part-uncited, but I'm not sure it would be appropriate to add it to a personal bio article. (I assume you are hinting that we should say as part of "fewer than 2%..." ? - if we were, we'd need to compare it to the relevant % of population, but of what area? So no, only subject to consideration if it comes up in a source which actually refers to this topic.) SeoR (talk) 15:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation / IPA
Could someone add the proper pronunciation of the name(s) to the lede, please... SeoR (talk) 02:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)