Talk:List of Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks

Articles not on ASCE list
Dropped the following articles; not found in official list at ASCE: Brianhe 02:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Colorado Street Bridge, Pasadena, California
 * Espada Acequia (Piedras Creek Aqueduct), San Antonio, Texas
 * Lincoln Tunnel, New York City/New Jersey
 * McAlpine Locks and Dam, Louisville, Kentucky
 * Natchez Trace, through Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee
 * Red Hill Underground Fuel Storage Facility, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
 * John A. Roebling Suspension Bridge, Cincinnati, Ohio to Covington, Kentucky
 * Verrazano Narrows Bridge, Brooklyn/Staten Island, New York City

Ditto for following article: Brianhe 21:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ypsilanti Water Tower, Ypsilanti

There seems to be some mistake (or confusion) in the 'Colorado' section: Cheesman Dam is NOT in Denver, but while a part of the Denver water supply system is actually in mountains outside of Denver. There is a Cheesman PARK in Denver. Rick lightburn 20:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Missing
The White Pass & Yukon Route is also designated as an International Civil Engineering Historical Landmark. This happened in the mid 1990s, and was so dedicated during a broadcast by Good Morning America live from Skagway. GBC 02:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Table format
I think this list should be in the form of a table. Any thoughts?--Marcbela (talk) 20:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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 * No big deal Jerky, I will remove it.--Marcbela (talk) 02:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was Done. Term is a proper noun in the sense currently used in the article. If there are other groups that make similar designations that want to get wikipedia coverage, could request a rename to be more specific (...ASCE... or similar) and convert this page to a DAB (or argue about PRIMARYTOPIC as usual). DMacks (talk) 00:04, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

List of historic civil engineering landmarks → — Move to capitalized spelling for list of proper noun award places named Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks. Note a speedy CFD is in progress to move category back to capitalized, proper noun format as well. | Relisted billinghurst  sDrewth  16:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC) | doncram (talk) 10:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: the corresponding category name was in fact brought back by speedy rename to be Category:Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks. --doncram (talk) 20:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment shouldn't it be List of ASCE Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks ? 76.66.192.55 (talk) 18:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as proposed. The name of this particular designation is a proper noun, not a descriptive phrase, and is always capitalized. "ASCE" is unnecessary because no other organization awards this designation (but that alternative is still better than the current title). Station1 (talk) 21:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't think either the current title, or that proposed, are acceptable.  Whether capitalised or not, they both give the impression that they are the only historic civil engineering landmarks in the world.  I would suggest the somewhat lengthy, but accurate, List of Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks designated by the American Society of Civil Engineers.  Skinsmoke (talk) 03:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What other formally designated civil engineering landmarks are there? Certainly any other should be mentioned at least in a "See also" way.  But, does any other civil engineering body use the same proper noun phrase?  Of course there are other civil engineering accomplishments which are by now historic landmarks, broadly speaking, but these are all the ones we know of that are proper noun Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks designated by anyone.  As nominator, I think the capitalization suffices, and renaming to something more specifically mentioning ASCE should be done later, if/when a competing usage of the same proper noun phrase is found.  No need yet, IMHO.  But I don't really mind the longer term suggested by Skinsmoke;  it is better than the current title. --doncram (talk) 04:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What other formally designated civil engineering landmarks are there? For a start there are a number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites that, in their citations, were designated as landmarks in civil engineering.  My problem is that the phrase is too vague, with or without capitalisation, unless you qualify who has designated it.  The problem then is that you are likely to get additions being made to the list that have not been designated by the American Society of Civil Engineers.  Skinsmoke (talk) 03:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, i see what you're trying to accomplish then. The more specific naming would perhaps help in that function of dissuading other editors from adding inappropriate entries, but i am not sure that is a real problem.  If the list is lower-case it is more of a problem;  but we are applying uppercase proper noun labelling now.  Also there are other list-articles like those for National Register of Historic Places listings or for U.S. National Historic Landmarks where, yes, other editors do occasionally add items that do not belong.  It is not hard to remove those occasionally.  You can keep control in this list article by having a column for date and code and reference of the ASCE listing, for which inappropriate additions will be blank and will stand out, calling for deletion. --doncram (talk) 03:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Question: What makes you say that they are proper nouns? While one may say that each designation may be considered a proper noun, would a collective list? The plural here would be List of sites or potentially List of sites classified as ..., and then classified by whom? What if other countries have similar classification, are they in or out?  I am all for a rename if the list nomenclature is specific, and here I would think something with more clarity would be useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billinghurst (talk • contribs)


 * Support - the ASCE site uses it as a proper noun, Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks, as Station1 said above.    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 20:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose as it stands. It is a list of sites or it is a list of ASCE as an organisation.  Just determining that an organisation utilises them proper nouns, doesn't mean that it is a proper noun, especially without that organisational clarification. billinghurst  sDrewth  13:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What are your thoughts on this page (6th bullet point down)? Just curious, it may not mean anything.   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 13:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

This seems stalled. I'm now posting to wt:HSITES to invite more comments. --doncram (talk) 17:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - per Station1 ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 18:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - it's a proper noun and should be capitalized correspondingly. I would also not oppose a move to List of ASCE Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks or List of sites designated as Historic Civil Engineering Landmarks or something like that, but that seems unnecessary. Objecting to the capitalized title because these are not the only civil engineering landmarks in the world that are also historic seems unreasonable to me; it's like objecting to List of black Academy Award winners and nominees because it's limited to the Oscars and excludes other awards bestowed by academies. If it's capitalized, that implies it's referring to something specific, not generic. Propaniac (talk) 17:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

latitude & longitude
Should we add a column in the table for latitude and longitude? Then a GeoGroup will allow users to see maps of where these are in the click of a button. Or, this information could be included in the location (city) column. MikeVdP (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I added the landmark coordinates into the location column so they will now work with the GeoGroup template. Transpoman (talk) 02:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Copy edit of ist to bring current to the end of 2019. Cheer Risk Engineer (talk) 15:09, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

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