Talk:List of How to Rock episodes

Episode "How to Rock Cee Lo" is a single episode
"How to Rock Cee Lo" is being advertised as a 1 hour special episode. The reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHooOrH_ecw says "on a new 1 hour special". http://www.nick.com/celebrity/news/how-to-rock-cee-lo-guest-stars-episode-details.html says "Cee Lo Green is starring in a brand new episode of How to Rock!". This means it is one episode with one set of opening credits and one set of closing credits. It will not be two back to back episodes. Wikia lists it as two separate episodes, but that does not conform to how it is advertised and Wikia's opinion is irrelevant as they, and also IMDB, are not a reliable sources of information anyway. Yes we know it was filmed as two productions but those separate productions were merged into one episode. The article should reflect that and not list it as two episodes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Also according to the instructions at template:Episode list the parameter EpisodeNumber is defined to be "A number representing the episode's order in the series". "A number" means one number and that is all that is defined for in this parameter. Putting two numbers here is incorrect usage per the parameter description. If it is a two part episode (which in this case it is not) there should be two table entries, one for each part. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:30, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree again, it's going to air as one episode, not 2. We should list it with 1 episode number but still list both Production Codes. - Alec (talk) 18:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

iTunes http://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/how-to-rock-vol.-1/id492736538?showLC=true sells the episode as a 46 minute single episode. It was broadcast in a 1 hour slot as a single episode, not two back to back episodes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Is there a season 2?
The reference used to support a new season starting (Saturday) September 22, 2012 is a YouTube capture of a broadcast promo dated (Friday) September 21, 2012. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX2-gRgYak0. The uploader is identified as "iEndNov2012" and is not an agent of Nickelodeon. This means the video title and commentary are from him, not Nickelodeon. The video itself originated from Nickelodeon. It would be better if the video could be found on a Nickelodeon controlled site then any commentary attached could be counted as reliable. In this case the commentary "Nick New Fall Season Promo for the new season of iCarly Victorious How to rock and Big Time Rush" and the title "New Fall Season Promo" are not usable in the article. Only the video content can be used.

The video says "Gotta see Saturday nights", "Brand new episodes", "Don't miss New Fall Seasons of iCarly, Victorious, How to Rock, Big Time Rush". Nowhere in the video did it mention the words "Season Premiere" for any of the shows listed and we do have a reliable source that explicitly supports the season premiere for Victorious as September 22. This promo doesn't say that for How to Rock. However this is ambiguous and should be discussed as to whether or not the article should split the shows into a new season. So far one editor has changed the article from one season to show two seasons and two three editors have reverted that change. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I wholeheartedly agree with you, Geraldo. Plus, the editor in question has not once given an explanation for his/her edits. QuasyBoy  (talk)  07:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry but it doesn't make any sense, promo is aired by Nickelodeon. It has nothing with video's uploader. 88.235.52.252 (talk) 18:52, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Video title and commentary were added by the uploader, not Nickelodeon, so info in the title and commentary can't be used. Content of the video is all that can be used, and as described above, the video contents did not explicitly state that the 22nd was the season premier for any of the shows listed in the video. Not sufficient in my opinion to support saying the 22nd was the season premier for the four shows mentioned in the video. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:57, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with Geraldo. And since I was the first editor to make this change, I feel that I should back this up by saying that Nickelodeon promotes the first episode of almost every series to air during the school year as a "season premiere". This is why I used the example with Big Time Rush in the summary for my edit. If I remember correctly, they said "Don't miss the season premiere of Big Time Rush" in their promos, even though it was only 5 episodes into its third season. This is something that, I think, also needs to be fixed with "iCarly", because even iTunes recognizes that that show is really still in its sixth season. On top of that, don't you think it's a little fishy that a show would have 20 or more episodes in its first 1-3 seasons, and then have less than 10 episodes in its final season(s)? Granted, How To Rock was only 16 episodes into the series when this occurred, but to me, even if it is a kid's show, it's still rather odd that the first season would have a reasonable number of episodes, while the second doesn't have very many. 24.183.54.242 (talk) 07:13, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Number of episodes
As described above, "How to Rock Cee Lo" was advertised as a single extended episode. It actually originally aired as a single episode. iTunes and Amazon sell the episode as a single 46 minute episode. The show is now finished its first run and 25 episodes were aired. itunes and Amazon have the complete series and show the same total of 25 episodes available to purchase. The current article reflects that 25 episodes were actually broadcast and that 25 episodes are available to purchase. The original plan was for 26 episodes as per the production order, two of the produced episode were merged into a single long episode. Since the TV series is finished the article should reflect what was actually broadcast and that overrides any planning information. References to plans are overridden by what actually happened. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:42, 28 December 2012 (UTC)