Talk:List of March for Our Lives locations

Portland, Oregon
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:21, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This source says the crowd size was "tens of thousands".
 * This source: "Thousands"

Also, Salem, Oregon (Oregon State Capitol) and Vancouver, Washington (Esther Short Park): --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:17, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * http://www.kptv.com/story/37800940/thousands-attend-march-for-our-lives-rally-in-downtown-portland
 * http://katu.com/news/local/march-for-our-lives-event-to-wind-through-downtown-portland
 * "Large rallies with crowds estimated in the tens of thousands in some cases also unfolded in such cities as Boston; New York; Los Angeles; Chicago; Houston; Phoenix; Fort Worth, Texas; Minneapolis; and Parkland."

List title
Should we move this list to List of March for Our Lives locations? I'm not sure the "2018" is needed. The parent article does not include the year, and we're not sure there will be additional lists of March for Our Lives locations in the future, so the disambiguation is not needed until then. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Do you want to move it? Better sooner than later. Oceanflynn (talk) 04:31, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried to move it this morning but it requires an administrator? Do you want to try?Oceanflynn (talk) 14:28, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not an admin, either. If no one else moves this soon, we can submit a requested Requested moves. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:08, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

References & Date
Speakers at the Washington Rally for the Washington section. Also, the date column is unnecessary in my opinion since the marches all took place on the same day (rather than the Women's March which, in some cases, took place a day or two after.)--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 00:48, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Locations
List of locations are being added to my sandbox slowly in order to cross-reference, will update as fast as I can.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 01:17, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 25 March 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:59, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

List of 2018 March for Our Lives locations → List of March for Our Lives locations – The date is not necessary for disambiguation. The common name for the subject is March for Our Lives and this list should match the corresponding article. Coffeeandcrumbs (talk) 21:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. I created the page List of 2018 March for Our Lives locations and I agree that it should be moved to List of March for Our Lives locations.Oceanflynn (talk) 15:50, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support As already pointed out, '2018' isn't necessary for disambiguation. Yet. Cesdeva (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support (see "List title" above), but you'll need to override List of March for Our Lives locations, which I had created prior to the start of this list. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Photo field
Is the photo field necessary for the list? The thumb 250px photos will increase the cell depth (and thus the article length) by maybe 600%, then there is the issue of server load and the retrieval time for readers. Maybe i'm stuck in the 90's but this doesn't seem efficient. Kind regards, Cesdeva (talk) 01:01, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we should use smaller images? Cesdeva (talk) 01:56, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * If we had media to illustrate most cells in the column, I'd suggest keeping 100px wide images, but if only a few cells are being used in a very long column, perhaps there's a better way to illustrate this list. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * A collage of selected sets of related images could be generated offline using simple image management tools?Oceanflynn (talk) 15:53, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think as 'Another Believer' suggested, let's see how this article evolves. Cesdeva (talk) 19:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think images serve a very important part of helping you visualize all the places that had marches. Otherwise it is just a list of places and people. I like the idea of 250px photos. --Jarekt (talk) 01:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe a compromise could be to reduce the images widths to 200px until further consensus? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Without meaning to offend, most of the images are fairly non-descript and are similar to each other. I don't think they serve to visualize anything unique to each location. Cesdeva (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Google spreadsheet: crowd estimates and march locations
These researchers University of Connecticut's Jeremy Pressman, University of Denver's Erica Chenoweth, and University of Maryland's Kanisha Bond are in the process of collecting data for this Google spreadsheet Crowd Estimates March 2018. While their data is primary source which we cannot use, the V, W, X, and Y Source fields include urls that we can use. They are doing this in the public interest, not as part of a research project. They "are not affiliated with any other efforts to collect data on demonstrations." So far they have gathered data on 535 events in US towns and cities. They provide a tally for participants in US only events at 1, 240, 824 and high tally at 1,999, 454.Oceanflynn (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not really a WP:PRIMARY source, the researchers are independent of the organisers. Some of their sources are primary (data copied from event.marchforourlives.com) or unreliable (twitter, facebook). Their spreadsheet is a work in progress (moving target) without peer review, but it is a WP:SECONDARY source, unsuited as WP:RS in a reference at the moment, as you said. OTOH, of course it can be used to find not yet listed locations or to check/copy sources in their V/W/X columns (excl. Twitter or Facebook, but not necessarily excluding event.marchforourlives.com as primary source).
 * IOW, all numbers reported in "Pers. comm. via social media"&#x2009; on the list here are unencyclopedic, this actually means TBD or TBD . –84.46.53.38 (talk) 19:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Shall we removed all mentions of "Pers. comm. via social media"? -- I don't see the point of keeping. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:33, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Empty rows of cities without sources
The table on this list appears to have been copied and pasted from List of 2018 Women's March locations, which was copied and pasted from List of 2017 Women's March locations. Why did you do this, User:Oceanflynn? Why in the world can we assume every one of the hundreds of cities had a March for Our Lives this year? It is absolutely unacceptable to do this without sources. I have removed rows without any content besides the city, and they should not be readded without some sort of source that a rally was held there. Honestly, this granular level of detail is not particularly encyclopedic and can be summarized in sections in the main article. Reywas92Talk 21:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I second most of this. Unsourced content shouldn't leave draft space. The list should have been purged pre-publication. I don't think the list breaches WP:RAWDATA or WP:LISTN however. i see your point, are we just going to re-create massive near-identical lists of cities every time there is a nationwide protest? I hope not. Maybe this is something that should be addressed at MOS level Cesdeva (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Missing States
For some reason, there are several states omitted in the official list (and in the map of the U.S. on the main MFOL page) when every single U.S. state had at least one march. I looked at this page yesterday and every state was listed but today several are missing. Does anybody know why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirkh1 (talk • contribs)
 * See the previous section. This isn't an official list, it was copied from the Women's march list. You're welcome to add them back with sources. Reywas92Talk 22:45, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I know there was a March in Chicago, but Illinois is not on this list! https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/85000-marchers-in-chicago-march-for-our-lives-477838383.html Victor Grigas (talk) 03:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The list here and the March_for_Our_Lives sections (example, because it starts with Illinois) are not yet consolidated. Apparently folks agree to move data from the march page to the list here. –84.46.53.38 (talk) 20:04, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Source for Oregon / SW Washington
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:28, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * http://katu.com/news/local/march-for-our-lives-events-scheduled-across-oregon-and-southwest-washington
 * In theory you could convert the Oregon paragraph to rows here, and add missing locations based on your source. For a crosscheck you could use the research spreadsheet. In practice that's a lot of work&hellip; –84.46.53.38 (talk) 20:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * &hellip; sanity check, about ten minutes for a new state. –84.46.53.38 (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Capitalize "For"
March For Our Lives is the official name — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilporter4u (talk • contribs) 12:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Right, but Wikipedia has a manual of style, and we rarely capitalize the word "for". There is an ongoing discussion on the parent article's talk page, too. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Summary
A summary of participants would be nice! Greetings, Hungchaka (talk) 17:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Splitting this article
This article is way too long, with ~423,000+ bytes. It seems like locations in the United States should have their own article, since the United States section alone is 381,000 bytes. So it would be best to give locations in the United States their own article: List of March for Our Lives locations in the United States. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 19:32, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, this article could become List of March for Our Lives locations outside the United States after the split. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 19:42, 9 October 2021 (UTC)