Talk:List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series

Remove 20th TV
As I correctly warned here and here, Production Weekly is not a reliable source when it comes to questionable studio involvement. I agreed to keep 20th TV listed until Echo, so that we can settle the debate about PW's reliability once and for all. Now that Echo is out, it's clear that Production Weekly was lying about 20th TV involvement.

So, I propose removing 20th TV from the remaining Marvel Studios TV series like Daredevil: Born Again and Agatha: Darkhold Diaries to avoid more months of feeding readers with misinformation. Since Marvel Studios doesn't usually do co-productions unless it's for an IP they don't own like Spider-Man, we should only add studios if they're confirmed by Disney/Marvel or independently reported by the trades. At the very least it should be removed from the header and the infobox. If it's still necessary to keep it for some reason, then it can be added as a commentary in the Production section. cc; ,

Thanks. — Starforce13  03:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It's honestly not that big of a deal. The whole point of Wikipedia is going by what sources present, see WP:VNT. We uphold that as Production Weekly has been reliable on most of their listings, and this ultimately being incorrect does not discount that or prove they are somehow entirely unreliable. As I have said in the past on this matter, we can easily remove the 20th TV mentions for Echo now, though nothing has changed in regards to the remaining instances since the last time you brought this up, and I don't see other editors' stances changing just based on the Echo exclusion alone. There is not enough WP:DOUBT (this relates to articles, but the same philosophy can be applied to sourced content) here for the rest of the 20th TV mentions to be removed. Disney and Marvel are no strangers to co-productions (see Deadpool 3 for example). It's not like we were intentionally spreading disinformation/misinformation. We went by the reputable source until proven otherwise, which is how Wikipedia work. I suggest you WP:DROPTHESTICK and stop WP:Beating a dead horse here, as this information will either be removed/hidden/whatever dependent on the outcome of the sources. Yet another discussion and then some is not going to change the past consensus without new solid evidence and new sourcing. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think we can easily comment out the 20th TV info at the relevant articles now, but still keep, hidden, the existing sources and such because as Trailblazer noted, WP:VNT would still apply. The fact it did not ultimately play a part in Echo's production adds more weight to the fact that the others likely are not going to have their involvement. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Jac Schaeffer's overall deal with Marvel Studios had also included a deal with 20th Television, with Deadline noting that this was signaling a closer collaboration between the studios. So there's a chance 20th TV is still involved in the projects she's attached to, like Agatha and Vision Quest. Aldwiki1 (talk) 18:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yup, we thought those two may be linked for Schaeffer's deal, hence why that should remain at the Agatha article, though it can be hidden from the rest until we have further clarity. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've hidden the 20th info at Phase Five (for all three remaining series), and the info on the Ironheart and Born Again pages. I can leave the Agatha one for now. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Roger that. Thanks! Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Disney+ MCU timeline
Should it be mentioned that recently now Disney+ included the Netflix Marvel shows on the timeline? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 19:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * There's an ongoing discussion about it at Draft talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe timeline. -- Zoo  Blazer  19:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What I meant is not exactly placing it on a visual timeline. What I meant is mentioning this on the Marvel Television section where it says Under Marvel Studios. 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 22:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have included a mention of their additions in that section. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Headings
Netflix shows is a bad description for the Defenders Saga shows.

While they aired originally on Netflix, Netflix did not create them, they merely provided a streaming vehicle. Wouldn't naming them by the studios that produced them make more sense?

I note the "young adult series" are not referred to as Hulu shows. 96.244.39.168 (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Per prior consensus on this, the Netflix series heading is used as a general description of what these series have commonly been referred to as. Netflix owned those series and, as I noted at that article talk, they were Netflix's to renew or cancel. Netflix owned the rights to each of those series from Disney since 2013 until they all reverted back only a few years ago. While Marvel Television called them "Marvel Knights" and Disney+ calls them "The Defenders Saga", "Marvel's Netflix series" is the most accurate and consistent name to refer to them as they were Netflix's originally. That can't be ignored. As for the young adult series, that is what Marvel Television called the group of shows that was planned to encompass not only Runaways and Cloak & Dagger, but also the canceled New Warriors. We don't and won't go by networks as that would not be as accurate here, given the two Hulu series (Runaways and Helstrom) are not remotely connected. And we do organize them by the main studio that produced them: first by the original Marvel Television series and then the Marvel Studios series. Companies like ABC Studios were co-production partners for many of Marvel Television's series, though organizing by that studio would not really aid in organization as you have suggested. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

X-Men '97 Should be Included
On Disney+, X-Men'97 is listed as a part of the MCU Multiverse Saga. If other shows like What If & Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man can be called "MCU" shows without taking place in the main timeline, then so can X-Men'97. 47.219.220.57 (talk) 00:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * This has already been discussed and so far there is no consensus to list X-Men '97 as an MCU show. Note that there are other projects which are part of the MCU multiverse but not officially part of the MCU franchise, such as the previous Spider-Man films. For now, consensus is to list the series as a related project at Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Five. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Except the previous Spider-Man films are not listed by Disney as being in the MCU Multiverse Saga, which X-Men '97 is. It's no different than other alternate universe shows like YFNSM & Marvel Zombies being a part of the Multiverse Saga. Check Disney+ 47.219.220.57 (talk) 00:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It is completely different than YFNSM and Zombies. It is not confirmed by the producers or within the series itself to exist within the MCU multiverse, only continuing the 90s animated universe. But because of how Disney+ handles it, as noted, consensus is to list it as a related series at the Phase Five article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)