Talk:List of Masonic abbreviations

In case of copyright questions
Much of the original formatting of this article comes The Lost Jewel article on abbreviations. Since I run that wiki and wrote that article, I promise I am not infringing on myself. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 21:14, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Regular Masonic jurisdiction which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 05:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Over use of the “three dot” symbol
Having seen A LOT of Masonic literature in my job curating a Masonic Museum, I think this article seriously misuses the "∴" symbol. This symbol IS commonly used with Masonic titles, so W∴ or  R∴W∴ (for Worshipful or Right Worshipful) is accurate... however, it is NOT used in most of the other abbreviations listed in this article. Standard punctuation is far more typical. (For example, “Free and Accepted Masons” is routinely abbreviated “F.&A.M.” and “Ancient York Masons” is abbreviated “A.Y.M.”) Blueboar (talk) 01:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Over the next few days, I am going to go through and remove the symbol where it isn’t common. I will go slow, so if anyone objects, it won’t be a big issue. Blueboar (talk) 02:27, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 24 November 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Error (talk) 13:28, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

List of Masonic Abbreviations → List of Masonic abbreviations – LOWERCASE Error (talk) 16:26, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. --Error (talk) 13:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree - this is correct per MOS. Is there a need to discuss? Blueboar (talk) 12:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. Obviously. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Notability?
Ok, we all know that Masonic abbreviations exist... However, mere existence is not enough for Wikipedia to have an article about it. While this article may be useful for those reading Masonic documents or looking at Masonic websites, I am not at all sure that the topic of “Masonic abbreviations” passes our Notability criteria for a stand alone article. An article needs to establish that the topic is noteworthy. To do this, I we need reliable sources that are independent of the subject to discuss it. Are their independent sources that discuss “Masonic abbreviations”? Blueboar (talk) 13:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Grand Secretory
Is this for real, or is this a typo for Grand Secretary?  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  06:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it was a typo... I have changed it. Blueboar (talk) 11:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I suspected that, but given the secret nature of the organisation I thought I'd just check.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  13:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

What do the symbols mean?
I have a copy from my great grandfather who was a level 3 Freemason, but there seems to another alphabet, I’ve figured out 3 letters, B W O, but nothing else. Can you please help!? XXRtx3080 cardXx (talk) 02:37, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Original Research?
While the two sources cited (Mackey and Duncan) do demonstrate that Freemasons use abbreviations… neither discusses this usage of abbreviations. Also, a lot of the abbreviations that are currently listed are from French and German usage… and neither of the sources go into that. The article seems to be one big WP:NOR violation. please discuss. Blueboar (talk) 12:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Came from NORN. Not my area of expertise but since  @Blueboar seem to have expressed notability concerns on this talk since long and also seem to have OR concerns, I do have following opinion.
 * Since this article seem to attract only limited audience, I would suggest to tag the article for concerns so interested users may join talk page in due course.
 * Ref XTools User:PonyToast seem to be one of major contributor to the list so I shall notify on their talk page for inputs.
 * Since this being STEM area usually it would be good to have secondary sources support and apply WP:FRINGE. The content you remove WP:ONUS just provide link in this talk page discussion so if some one want to have re-look into it and support with secondary sources should be possible.&#32;Bookku   (talk) 02:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC)