Talk:List of New York hurricanes

Assessment
To be blunt, this article is terrible. It needs massive cleanup in all departments and sourcing for all entries on the list. --Core desat 03:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I will try to do some cleanup.

What do you have against the articles that i have writen?Juliancolton 15:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt it's anything personal, but the article does not follow the ideal format for this type of article. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I recognize your user-name (Hurricanehink) as a very experienced writer of hurricane related articles. And I have seen that some of the articles you have worked on have became featured articles. What i wanted to ask is how could i make this article a higher-quality article? Juliancolton 23:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, no problem. The first requirement is sourcing. Every single statement in the article needs to be sourced. The way you do that is by using the Cite web template. This is how you do it (just fill in the parameters accordingly), for a tropical cyclone report. Some websites may not have authors listed, so you can just name the publisher. Next, be sure to find every last storm, so it is comprehensive; otherwise, it's not a true listing of New York hurricanes. For recent storms, you can tell by the best track (this is a good site with maps of storms) what storms affected New York or if they passed nearby. However, that only shows if a storm was near the area. You'll have to find sources if those storms actually caused impact. For the earliest storms (pre-1800), you'll probably have to rely on a Google search (which is strongly recommended), though a few storms are mentioned here. From 1800 to 1850, there is a great archive of data located here; you'll have to go through every single page, though, but it's worth it to ensure comprehensive. Information is a bit tricky after there. This site lists some Maine hurricanes since 1869, and might list their impacts in NY. Here's a newspaper archive that goes really far back, but I'm not sure if it's accurate enough for each storm. If a storm actually crosses into the state (either into the western portion of the state or Long Island, for example), you could source it using Hurdat, if there's no other info on it available. Try using Hurdat, to see if they have any raw observations or Meta data on those storms, to see if any NY impact existed. The American Meteorological Society has a fantastic archive, and maybe some searches can show some relevant articles; there, a report called the Monthly Weather Review began in about 1875, which could yield some useful info. From 1900 to 1914, Hurdat has great individual info, so you'll have to check that out.


 * As the time period gets more recent, much more information becomes available. That newspaper archive I listed has great information for storms back to the 1930s. The NHC has an archive back to 1959 located here; 1959 to about 1965 has detailed information on each storm, as does 1991 to 1995, while 1966 through 1990 has slightly less information (depending on each year). The Hydrometeorological Prediction Center has a rainfall archive going back to the middle of the 20th century, and the aforementioned link has rainfall data for tropical cyclones that impacted the mid-Atlantic. For a few, the state maxima is listed, while for others, you'll have to go into the links to see if rainfall occurred in New York. The National Climatic Data Center has storm reports from 1950 to the current, but detailed reports only back to 1994. Just choose New York from the states list, enter a date range (if a storm might have impacted the area on September 14, you should enter September 1 through September 30), and find the appropriate link. Be sure it says the storm actually caused the impact.


 * Two more things I should mention. First, there is no time limit. I completed the List of Florida hurricanes in the span of about 11 months. Second, making a list of hurricanes for any area is a pretty big project. However, finishing it is extremely rewarding. If it's good enough, it makes for a great WP:Featured list. That said, there is a format to follow once you're working on it. There should only be 3 or 4 images in the article, and ideally none should be storm path maps. Each storm should only be one or two sentences, with a few more for the more impacting ones. You have a good start, but it needs some more work done to it. Good luck with the project, if you decide to go through with it, and if you have any questions give me a shout (or just ask on here, I have it on my watchlist). Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that has given me alot of good sources for research. Just one more thing, when you said that there should be 3 or 4 pictures in an article with no storm path maps, what should the pictures be of? Juliancolton 14:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Satellite images and impact images, and try to balance them out along the time period. Ideally, there should be an image for each of the biggest storms. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I am trying to clean it up some, but i got stuck in trying to find any info, and any references. Thoughts? Juliancolton 02:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you even read the suggestions I gave above? I listed several links that would yield great amounts of info and references. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i have read them, and it gave me great information. It's just i am usually ver busy, (with school), and that even though thoses are great sources you gave me, I just don't have the time to look through every one. I will look through them again when I have time. Juliancolton 13:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, you said that you were stuck. Do you need more links? --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem that I am having is that even though I can find all of the storms that tracked through or close to New York state, I can never find the actual effects of each individual storm. Is there a site you would recommend for finding that kind of info? Juliancolton 15:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I gave some links in my above suggestion. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I see them. Thanks for those. I will start working on this article when i get a chance, and when I am done finishing my current project, List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes. -- Juliancolton (talk) 17:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I am starting work on it. It will look very incomplete while it is being worked on. Juliancolton (talk) 00:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd like a better source for the 1938 hurricane's deaths in New York. The MWR says 60 deaths in the state. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason it says 60 deaths is because that link you gave me is the 1944 MWR :P Juliancolton (Talk) 18:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Er, I see. Juliancolton (Talk) 19:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, can you upgrade to B class before I FLC it? Juliancolton (Talk) 19:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Including Fictional Storms
I'm proposing that at some point reference be made to storms hitting New York in Fiction. I have uncovered three novels (to date) which involve storms striking the city. The novels are:

1. Her Name Will Be Faith, Max Marlow, 1988, New English Library. 2. Summer of Storms, Judith Kelman, 2002, Jove (Fictional 1970 Hurricane Season) 3. Category 7: The Biggest Storm in History, Bill Evans & Marianna Jameson, 2007

I have no doubt that more such books exist.Graham1973 (talk) 17:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Missing Word?
"In addition, 2,600 are destroyed, and 8,900 houses are destroyed.[22]" 2,600 what, exactly? 69.120.2.107 (talk) 03:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Listed by Month needs more graphs.
I don't think it's enough to have both a table and bar chart. Can we get a pie chart and line graph as well? 203.56.22.82 (talk) 03:43, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Meaning of Storm Surge
Storm surge doesn't mean high water mark, it needs to have the appropriate tidal level for the astronomical time subtracted. This is explained at the National Hurricane Center. Correct values for dates following 2002 are available from the Urban Ocean Observatory at Davidson Laboratory. Cormagh (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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