Talk:List of RNLI stations

ILB classes
Recent edits have changed IB1s to D Class, but we distinguish between Atlantic 75s and Atlantic 85s, both of which are B Class. We ought to be consistent. Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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Scarborough update required
Just a note that the Scarborough entry needs updating with the opening of the new station. Keith D (talk) 11:52, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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Arklow RNLI station
FYI, I have started this article in my sandbox. Arnkellow (talk) 10:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Now at Arklow Lifeboat Station. Arnkellow (talk) 13:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Lough Ree Lifeboat Station
I haven't edited the page as I'm not confident enough to do so. There is a station missing: Lough Ree. See https://rnli.org/find-my-nearest/lifeboat-stations/lough-ree-lifeboat-station — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.56.39 (talk) 20:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've added a line for this station but the RNLI website does not give the launch method. Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Locations
Is there any point having LOCATION included in the table? MartinOjsyork (talk) 16:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It gives an opportunity for a link to a town where the lifeboat station doesn't have it's own article. I wouldn't want to follow a link from the 'station' column to a whole town. Geof Sheppard (talk) 17:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * So I'm just wondering Why you need that opportunity.
 * Isn't this a list of Lifeboat stations, not a list of towns where there are lifeboat stations?
 * MartinOjsyork (talk) 00:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It is indeed a list of lifeboat stations, but if that was all then we could do away with the table and just have a bulleted list. Wikipedia list pages also help to put some context around a raw list. Here we also give the launch method and current lifeboats which allows a quick comparison between stations (although I'm not sure that we need to list the lifeboat names here as that too could be found in the lifeboat station and lifeboat class articles).
 * Until we have articles for all the stations, I feel we need to keep the list of locations so that people can follow those links where the station article is missing. Even then, there may be a good case for keeping the location column as not all stations are in obvious locations (Tower) or even the location they are named after (Penlee). Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok
 * I was just looking at how it would present better.
 * If I'm using it for reference, I'm looking to see:
 * Where? (and I think that is pretty much covered by the station names, although I accept there are one or two not specific.)
 * What class of boat?
 * and maybe, What is the Boat name?
 * Not sure anyone cares about launch method? or Town
 * And you could then spread out the class and the names to make it easier to read.
 * JMHO
 * MartinOjsyork (talk) 08:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh - and why are we using ON for ALBs and OP for ILBs ??
 * MartinOjsyork (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * MartinOjsyork (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It's interesting to see your thinking about what you expect in this list and just shows how different people have different expectations and needs.
 * For my part, I think that the launch method is part of what defines the station; the name of the lifeboat isn't. Of course, if we didn't list the lifeboat names that would free up some useful width and mean there would be fewer edits to keep the information up to date :)
 * As for why the ALBs use the ONs, I have no idea. I never use them for modern boats as the Op number is more easily recognised and is consistent with the IRBs. I'd be happy for you to change them while you are going through all those updates, or even just delete the numbers to leave just the names. Geof Sheppard (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Towns
Having just amended the towns of Wales and the North West to include the county area in the link to the town, I realise that other for other towns, both the town and country have separate links. Does anyone have any preference before we make them all the same? MartinOjsyork (talk) 18:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * It is normal to have separate links for the town and county. If a county appears more than once in a list then it is okay to just give the county as plain text rather than a link for the second and subsequent stations. Geof Sheppard (talk) 18:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Linked Citations
With the exception of so-far un-created station pages, I am going to suggest that all individual lifeboat citations are removed, and that we rely on the updated LBES handbook every year for a citation...because... MartinOjsyork (talk) 18:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 1, All boat citations should be available on the individual station pages.
 * 2, It's a duplication of work, and there's enough to do every time a boat changes.
 * Have to disagree, all items in the list should have cites, we should never rely on a cite in a linked article to support something in an article. Keith D (talk) 21:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * After an edit conflict this is my reply. This a list of RNLI stations as opposed to lifeboat stations operated by others. It should not be a list of 'current' stations both due to sourcing requirements making that problematic and recentism excluding stations in abeyance or no longer open for any reason. *1 above may be true but is not adequate for this article as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. It would make sense to remove the columns that complicate: Lifeboat types, Launch method, and Name and Op.No. I do not know who the publisher is for the Lifeboat Enthusiasts' Society Handbook and whether they can be relied on for fact checking but I have seen that LBES is itself a promotional branch  of the RNLI. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 21:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In reply to SovalValtos, The Lifeboat Enthusiasts Society - LBES - is exactly that, a group of enthusiasts, not employees of the RNLI. They are regarded as a branch, because any funds they may create are donated to the RNLI. The LBES handbook produced every year, is probably THE most accurate and upto date source of information, as it all comes directly from RNLI archives, and is as good a citation as you would require for all the information presented.
 * I have had many communications previously, that the list is of great value to some people, so I have no intention of deleting content, other than 9 or 10 extra citations which exist on the correct station pages.
 * MartinOjsyork (talk) 22:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In response to Keith D, All items are cited to the LBES Handbook, which will still remain the same. The handbook is compiled directly from RNLI records, updated every year, and is the most accurate work available.
 * I should have been more clear, and suggested that we delete all the 'extra' citations. A few have been added randomly, for instance, of the only 9 extra citations, 5 are for Jersey, and 4 random others, for 238 stations, and maybe 400 boats. These will still appear on the relevant station pages, which are linked from the List of RNLI stations page.
 * MartinOjsyork (talk) 22:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It would make sense to remove the columns that complicate... I think the launch method and lifeboat class help to describe and differentate the different stations, so they are useful. If updating the list is too difficult or the columns too many, I would suggest that removing the lifeboat name and Op No would be the way to go, but I'm not proposing it myself.
 * I agree with Martin, the LBES Handbook is as reliable source as we will find for the citations. More reliable than the RNLI website sometimes. I recently came across one that is still showing a lifeboat that had been replaced in 2015! Geof Sheppard (talk) 17:58, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Who publishes the Enthusiasts handbook? Does it have any editorial oversight? It may well be 'as reliable source as we will find' but is it good enough for Wikipedia?SovalValtos (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * As you are using a book, each of the entries should have a page number for the entry in the book. Keith D (talk) 19:43, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Given the paucity of page watchers for this article it would be as well to wait a week or two more for comments before assuming a consensus and proceeding.SovalValtos (talk) 18:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

MartinOjsyork (talk) 20:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going to close this now. No action will be taken.