Talk:List of School Rumble characters

Karen Ichijō
Is this statement in her section true, "but later it is revealed that she does have considerably large breasts" or did an editor get confused because of the picture that Takeichi Fuyuki augmented of her. Just wondering either way. (Duane543 03:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC))

Lala
Shouldn't it have been Laura, since Lala isn't a real name? -Unsigned
 * How can Lala not be a real name? It doesn't sound like one to you?  In either case we go with the Del Rey translation.   Broken Sphere Msg me 19:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

About Articles...
I think only Tenma, Harima, Sawachika, Suou, Yakumo and Hanai should have their own articles. Since they are what the series main plotline characters are, Ichijou and Akira I don't think should have their own articles..RedEyesMetal 17:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Akira I think can have hers, as she is within Tenma's close circle of friends, although out of the 3, the one who is focused on the least. Ichijo could be merged back into here, but hers isn't the only short one; Lala's and Sarah's could be merged back in as well. -- Broken Sphere  17:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The distinction made here between "main characters" and "supporting characters" made on this page seems arbitrary, especially since these "main characters" get about the same (if not less) plot attention than some of the "supporting characters". It's probably more efficient to stick to the breakdown by class/faculty, especially to prevent listing characters twice (as is done with Yakumo, who is listed under both "supporting characters" and "Class 1-D"). --Swampstorm 21:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The thing with that though is that a character like Yakumo (who seems to be the only one affected) gets buried in the listing beneath a couple dozen Class 2-C students who are minor, most of whom aren't even really shown until Second Term. It would also place the other 2-C characters except for Harima and Tenma (who were previously in their own grouping) in with the rest of the class.  I don't see an issue with listing a character twice if they happen to fall into more than one classification as long as the info isn't duplicative.   Broken Sphere Msg me 22:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that we need to pick a single system of classification and stick by it. Aside from Yakumo, who is double listed under "Supporting Characters" and "Class 1-D", the present system doesn't tell us which class the other characters on the "Supporting Characters" list come from. Also, given that the next category is "Other Class 2-C" members, are we to assume that Yakumo is also a Class 2-C member?
 * There's also the issue of bias. If you decide to divide characters up based on their "importance", then the system of categorization will vary based on who is writing the classification. How will a reader know whether this article deems Imadori and/or Hanai to be "important enough" to be classified under "Supporting Characters" or "Class 2-C"?
 * The issue of any given character being buried under a list of other characters shouldn't be a problem, given that we have a table of contents so that people can have easy access to any given character. The Japanese language version of this page breaks the characters down by class very efficiently, if you want an example of how it can be done.
 * Incidently, while a number of the 2-C cast members only recieve a formal introduction in the second season of the anime, all of them make appearances well before that (it's even possible to construct a class seating plan of 2-C in Season 1), and a number of them have speaking roles, personalities, and backstories well in advance of being named. --Swampstorm 16:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The character hierarchy/listing largely follows the Japanese Wiki's version but merges 2-C and has the main and supporting charas split off with the other characters more subdivided. I decided to prioritize the supporting characters because Harima and Tenma were put by themselves under the main chara heading and thought that it didn't make sense to have the supporting charas left in their previous headings. However if the reader navigates to this page first after reading the main SR article, that already gives a brief outline of who's who in the character section.

I notice that the Japanese Wiki still gives some priority to the characters, listing Tenma and Harima at the top of their sections, for example, followed by Sawachika and Karasuma, respectively. If you want to avoid bias, because then sorting the other members of the class in their respective groupings could prove problematic and you and I already disagree as to who is more minor than who, an alphabetical sorting might be better. So perhaps we could try this: Broken Sphere Msg me 16:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * split off the 2-C section into male/female groupings
 * merge the relevant charas who were split off back into the respective M/F 2-C sections
 * organize the M/F sections alphabetically
 * merge Yakumo back into 1-D
 * for consistency, have all the other listings (other than 2-C) listed alphabetically
 * subdivide the other characters section as per the Japanese Wiki; it does have some characters who aren't listed on here

You could also go with order of appearance, if you feel that it's more appropriate for a television show. Either way, this plan seems sensible. I think that the next problem to tackle will be in finding a system with which to detail the relationships between all these characters. That's bound to become fairly complex. --Swampstorm 18:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Alpha might be better for finding people. What's wrong with the existing relationship chart? Broken Sphere Msg me 18:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It's more of an issue of writing up the relationships (not necessarily just romantic) between characters. Each character page has a subsection for relationships, but the information on any given relationship will necessarily be common to both characters involved. It would be nice if we could set up the page layout to take advantage of this fact. There's probably enough information on some of these to make separate pages for them, but I'm not sure if that's the best course of action to take.

The relationship chart is different issue, but it's not one that we can presently solve, given that the relationships are constantly changing (the Sara-Asou-Mikoto-Hanai part of the web is one section that is very time dependant, for example). There are two official relationship charts that were released at different points in the series, and they are both quite different. It's probably best to let the manga finish before we address that point. --Swampstorm 15:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

How are the characters on the Japanese version sorted, as it looks like you're using that as a basis. Broken Sphere Msg me 06:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Each category in this list is sorted by order of appearance, using the guidelines for "first appearances" on the infobox animanga character discussion page. Right now the first appearances are shown in the character list, but it will need to be consistant with the infoboxes in the individual characters when they're added in under the "first" field, so I went with that format. This should also make it easier for the reader to find characters, and cross-reference them with those manga chapters themselves when that list is created.

The last five or so characters are unsorted, but the information about their names is more trivia than anything else. It's probably better to move them off the list and mention their names somewhere else (such as a team list for the survival arc).

On another note, I think we need to write a short summary paragraph each for the characters who have full articles. --Swampstorm 23:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Split off the minor characters to their own page?
So they can be distinguished more easily. This would likely involve breaking up the existing groupings the characters fall into but since SR has so many, I think it'd be worth it. -- Broken Sphere 19:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Verify
Can someone verify these statements done by IP: 219.94.56.60 on July 7, 2007, because Oji Karasuma being an alien from outer space just seems made up to me. (Duane543 22:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC))
 * I kind of somewhat these to Squilibob's attention as I haven't seen the whole anime series yet (all of S1 and OAVs and into 2nd Term); as far as I've seen in the anime (not the manga), his status as an alien was conceived of by Harima as part of a manga plotline, but I've read elsewhere that it's hinted that he is one. -- Broken Sphere  22:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Duplicative info
The main and supporting characters were written up 3 times: on the main article page, here, and on their respective articles. To reduce duplication, I've pulled all info and pics for them on here, leaving links to the main articles, and have done the same for the minor characters with their own articles (e.g. Sarah, Lala). Broken Sphere Msg me 17:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Name derivals
I merged these into the relevant character articles or entries and the intro section into this article's lead. It makes more sense to see that info there vs. at the end of this article, at which point the reader may be confused as to who is referred to. I also pulled this out, as it's trivia and has nothing to do with name derivations.
 * Yagami Station - Often featured as a meeting point, the design of the station in the School Rumble universe is based on the real-life Kamakura Station, Kanagawa Prefecture. Broken Sphere Msg me 01:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Number of Year 2 classes
The article says there's only 2C and 2D, but it's been shown several times that it goes from 2a to 2F. I'm going to correct it to say that 2C and D are just the main classes focussed on. If anybody disagrees, please explain why here. Phi Chi Delta 03:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Popularity polls
In a few of the articles, there is mention of the the rank in popularity a particular character is. Just wondering where the source is from... and who is number 1?! Skimmed through all of the characters, but didn't see who was number 1... may have missed it tho... Bah. -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 04:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Symbol oddity
Someone explain why there are 'flat(♭)' symbols in this article? Just wondering, might be a format error or something. Murakumo-Elite (talk) 05:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The extra chapters/side stories in the manga are labelled with the flat symbol, i.e. ♭01 for side story 1, etc, while the main chapters are labelled with the sharp symbol, i.e. #01 is chapter 1. -- Highwind 888, the Fuko Master  05:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks, now all that's left is to complete the love polygon at the bottom of the page, it's quite a useful key for following the series characters. Murakumo-Elite (talk) 08:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's a bit more complex than that. According to the main article, the sharp chapters (♯, not #, BTW) were originally serialized in Weekly Shōnen Magazine (a weekly magazine), while the flat chapters were originally serialized in Shōnen Magazine Special (monthly). In addition, there seems to be one chapter with a natural (♮), which was serialized in Shōnen Magazine Wonder (a seasonal magazine). All of this is actually unsourced, but it sounds pretty reasonable. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I go by the English release volumes, and not magazine serializations, so that's what I know. Yeah, I was too slack didn't know how to add the sharp symbol, and so the closest was the hash key :P -- Highwind 888, the Fuko Master  00:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know how to type it either, I just cut'n'pasted from the article. ;) And I didn't know about the serialization until I read it, my original thoughts were actually akin to yours (as can be seen in some of the earlier revisions of the chapter list. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So who do we have on the polygon not established yet? I know Shuuji Harima, Mio Tennoji, Tae Anegasaki, and Sara Adiemus does have love interests and I know they're named otherwise they wouldn't exist. And would Hanai be considered a part of the spectrum toward Mikoto seeing the warm moments between the two? Murakumo-Elite (talk) 04:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you're referring to this, that whole section needs to go. This is information that should be covered in prose in the appropriate characters' sections. The chart would never make it through a B-Class assessment, peer review, or copy edit, much less a Good Article review. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if anything why not make use of it while it's here, we can off it mafia style once it gets to the point where it outlives its purpose. Murakumo-Elite (talk) 06:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * By all means, use it like there's no tomorrow (mostly because, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, there isn't one). =) 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 21:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Behold the power of boredom LOL(see for yourself) Murakumo-Elite (talk) 08:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * While you're bored, could you add some more chapter titles or some volume summaries on the chapter list, or confirm the cover characters for me (since I'm assuming you own at least part of the series)? ;) 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Once I get the rest of the currently released manga chapters, probably in a couple weeks. Murakumo-Elite (talk) 23:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Katō Kyōji
This was listed on Kato as being a School Rumble character. Would anyone know if this is the same Katou as listed on faculty? I don't see Kyoji listed, if that's his name could someone add it? I haven't seen the series yet so I don't know how to verify it. Also if so, please redirect the full name to the faculty also. Tyciol (talk) 16:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Reordering characters
The article is in serious need of reording and cleanup. The easiest way to bring this up is restructuring to comply with WP:WAF for primary, secondary and other characters. As there are no true antagonists in the series (just situational antagonists), that is the best method of division. IMO, because of the way the chapters are structured, only Tenma and Harima should be listed as primary characters. Most of the rest who appear in multiple chapters/episodes as major roles should be listed as secondary, especially if they have a major relationship role which the series revolves around. The rest, should be noted as other characters. The other question is should we list animals with other characters or seperate. Out-of-universe given that the animals are generally not treated as indivisual characters, by commentators and in-universe they aren't either. Thoughts? 陣 内 Jinnai 04:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree and I see a few more things that need to be addressed. Are we going off the manga for this or the anime?  Honestly I think the Anime is more responsible for this being known in the US, but the manga is the original work.  If we are indeed going with the manga we need to revert all the names to the Japanese standard of family name first, mainly because Del Rey makes it a point that they are using that style (generally due to certain puns within the manga such as Yoshidayama's mishap with "Harima Kenji/Harry Makenzie" in volume 1).  As well, while this article needs refs everywhere (many could be taken from the manga) is there any reference for the "named after" for the characters?  As to the animals, none of them are important enough to warrant their own section.  They should be merged with the owner(if noteworthy such as Iori, Pyotr, Napoleon) or deleted.  The same should be done with the incidental class characters.  We don't need to know every single person in each class, just the ones that take storyline roles, otherwise they would be simply WP:Fancruft.  It's a hard line to draw here as the manga tries to incorporate so many characters in it, but we should at least make a list of those who are questionable and vote on it.  Just my 2 pennies.  StryyderG  (talk) 19:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is that big of a difference. For characters we assess both the manga and anime. See Talk:List of Popotan characters for why this is the case.
 * For names WP:MOS-JA takes precedent here so even if we use the manga, we use Western naming order. This only applies when both personal and family/clan names are listed.
 * I agree with the animals. They could be merged or deleted. Only those 3 you memntioned are in any way at all notable. For minor characters we need to define who is what. FE: I listed above that Harima and Tenma would be the main characters, imo, but it could be argued that Kurasama and Yakumo would also fit into there (Kurasama as he is part of the main love triangle and Yakumo as so many of the flat chapters focus on her). 陣 内 Jinnai 20:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I see your point on naming, perhaps just a mention in the lead that the English publication uses the original design.
 * I agree that Harima, Tenma, Karasuma, and Yakumo could be considered main characters. At times you could add in Eri as well, as she becomes a pretty big part of the love...whatever shape, as far as Eri/Yakumo -> Harima -> Tenma -> Karasuma. However, she is generally grouped with Akira and Mikoto(easily secondary characters), even though she is given more main story time.  That is a debatable topic for now, but aside from that I think everyone else could be moved down to secondary or other.  StryyderG  (talk) 21:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Eri...not sure. I don't know how many of them center on her as the main character. Questions about Eri aside, who would be secondary? Who would be other? And who, beyond the animals, would be better mentioned in chapter/episode synopsis. 陣 内 Jinnai 23:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, just a list off the top of my head, going through what is already on there.

Main Characters
 * Tenma Tsukamoto
 * Kenji Harima
 * Oji Karasuma
 * Yakumo Tsukamoto

Secondary Characters
 * Eri Sawachika
 * Mikoto Suo
 * Akira Takano
 * Haruki Hanai
 * Kyousuke Imadori
 * Karen Ichijou
 * Hiroyoshi Asou
 * Harry Mackenzie
 * Lala Gonzalez
 * Masakazu Togo
 * Noboru Tennouji
 * Sarah Adiemus
 * Tae Anegasaki
 * Itoko Osakabe

Other Characters
 * Takeichi Fuyuki
 * Kentarou Nara
 * Ganji Nishimoto
 * Jirou Yoshidayama
 * Tsumugi Yuuki
 * Mai Otsuka
 * Ryuuhei Suga
 * Megumi Sagano
 * Satsuki Tawaraya
 * Youko Sasakura
 * Hayato Tani
 * Shuuji Harima (merge with Kenji?)
 * Nakamura (Merge with Eri?)
 * Genkai Gotou?
 * Yuuzan Gotou?

delete
 * Shigeo Umezu
 * Madoka Kido
 * Kazuya Tanaka
 * Toki Nagayama
 * Ayano Kinugawa
 * Saeko
 * Kozue Mihara
 * Rinko
 * Hiroaki Ishiyama
 * Mina Yukino
 * Saitou
 * Kaori
 * Shin Misawa
 * Miki Inaba
 * Haruna Tougou (merge with Masakazu)
 * Katou
 * Kooriyama
 * Nenji Ryuu
 * Mio Tennouji (Merge with Noboru)
 * Kousuke Ichijou (Merge with Karen)
 * Motoko Hiiragi
 * Masaru Suzuki
 * Kouji Yakushamaru
 * Masahiro Kouzu
 * Matakichi Itou
 * Iwashi Otani
 * Samuel
 * Mick
 * Will
 * Shawn
 * Max
 * Iori (merge with Yakumo)
 * Napoleon (merge with Harima)
 * Kuuta
 * Caesar
 * Anastasia
 * Pyotr (Merge with Harima)
 * Kujira
 * Alexander

Some of these are debatable, any other ideas or input on this list? StryyderG (talk) 00:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Did a reordering taking some of the ordering suggestions there. I did not remove any characters this time round focusing more on order. A few I'm not sure of: Itoko, Tae, Kurasama and Nakamura. As for deleting....well i'd prefer to merge whenever their may be a potential love relationship rather than outright delete. For the foreign exchange students, they could all be merged into one. Best candidates imo are ones with 1 name, except Nakamura. That isn't all of them obviously but we can start there. 陣 内 Jinnai 06:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem is notability. Making this a list of EVERY character in the manga/anime makes it far too long and detracts from the navigability of the article.  Even characters like Madoka and Shigeo, yeah they are noted as the "first couple" of the manga, but they still aren't notable enough to the overall plot of the story that they should go here.  The Goutou brothers, Ryuu Nenji, Masaru, even Saeko and Kozue, all of them are far too minor to be in this list.  Even with the reordering and deleting of animals and such, the article is WAY too long.  StryyderG  (talk) 19:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If there are concerns about information loss, migrations can be made to the School Rumble Wiki on Wikia. -- Broken Sphere Msg me 20:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm starting with merging some of the info for characters with little information with others. Or, such as with "Rinko" deleting her. here is the version before anything is removed. 陣 内 Jinnai 22:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing that diff link as a point of reference.  Broken Sphere Msg me 23:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

HELP WITH LOVE POLYGON
We have found established information to complete this chart, unfortunately it seems we have to tear alot of it apart to make it work.

Mikoto is now married to Hanai and is carrying his child.

any ideas? Murakumo-Elite (talk) 02:54, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, as has been said before, this chart doesn't really belong in the article. As well, it is difficult to quantify the relationships as a whole through the series.  I'd say it's probably time to do away with the chart.  StryyderG  (talk) 18:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh...well the relations are a fundimental part of the series so it could seen as an exception here, but only the major and secondary characters and those related to them. 陣 内 Jinnai 19:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, just from my opinion, the only ones fundamentally important would be the main characters really. Many of the relationships can only be inferred from original research and are not specifically pointed out in the series (i.e. Imadori/Lala? His proclivaties for chest size don't necessarily mean he likes Lala) Anything else should be mentioned in prose within the character biographies, making the chart superfluous anyway, except as a means to confuse the readers of the article. Maybe mention the large number of relationships in another section with a picture of one of the relationship charts from the tankobon as an example, but that's as far as I'd go with it. StryyderG  (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Harima's Sunglasses
anyone know what kinda sunglasses harima wears? they appear to be a silver oval design.. but was just wondering if anyone had anyother info. google seems to be drawing a blank... Mace Windu (talk) 01:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * From my readings and watchings I have never seen any mention of a specific brand or style, as such it would probably be fancruft anyway.  StryyderG  (talk) 23:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)