Talk:List of bus routes in Brooklyn

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There is some historical information at. --NE2 22:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Downtown vs. Downtown Brooklyn
I was about to revert NE2's most recent version to immediately previous. I take a bus from Downtown Brooklyn frequently, and I never refer to it as simply "downtown." Brooklyn is not a city anymore. The common neighborhood name is "Downtown Brooklyn," and is what the MTA uses. So even within the context of Brooklyn, "Downtown Brooklyn" would not sound redundant. I would restore all mentions to Downtown Brooklyn in the columns. If the problem is too many redundant links, why not just link the first appearance of a neighborhood or depot and unlink subsequent mentions? Tinlinkin 11:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

All public routes operating in Brooklyn should be included in the table
...including those operating out of Queens. The article is "List of bus routes in Brooklyn," and that is what the reader should find here.

The B110 however, should not be listed. It is not public, not does it operate as a common carrier. Jd2718 23:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please discuss the main issue at Talk:List of bus routes in the Bronx.
 * Because the same error occurs on 5 or 6 pages, and since the editors of those pages are not necessarily in common, it will be necessary to cross post this or similar comments. I certainly don't mind directing attention the first discussion (Bronx). Jd2718 23:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As for the B110, it's given a franchise and number by the city, and is verifiably a bus route in Brooklyn (see the sources). --NE2 23:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It is Hassidic service for the Hassidic community. Through a quirk in the franchise law they obtained a franchise. Just is not a public route. Jd2718 23:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have reliable sources for these statements, please add them to the article. But right now, all sources say that it is a privately-operated bus route run under a franchise from the city. --NE2 23:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * According to Pacific Coast Highway at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation it is open to all. The sources don't say whether or not it is, but they do say what's in the article: that it's a privately-operated franchised bus route with the number B110. --NE2 23:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Pacific Coast Highway's claim that it is open to all is unsourced. In this case, including an exclusive service on a list of bus service available to the public is a problem. It does not interface with the rest of the system. It does not accept transfers. It probably does not accept most passengers. I do not know, but suspect, there is separate male/female seating (a curtain?).::::What follows is OR, but it may help if you decide to look for a source to rebut: Private Transportation was operating without a franchise, and was getting harassed for idling and stopping where there were no bus stops. The franchise gave them the right to operate without problems from City DOT. They carry their own people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jd2718 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Can you provide a source that it is not open to the public? Here's another (unreliable) source saying it is: You seem to be saying that without proof that a franchised bus route is open to the public, we should assume it's not, while I'm on the other side: if it's franchised, we should include it, assuming it is open to the public unless we have a source otherwise. --NE2 00:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source saying it is a closed-door service. If not, you're in the same boat as me. Even still is an unvalid point. It is stil a bus route. And it is in the borough of Brooklyn. Pacific Coast Highway { talk • contribs } 00:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Plenty of employers run bus services for their employees. Wikipedia does not list them. This is the same situation. Do you have a schedule? A website? A tariff? That message board that NE1 linked to describes a private bus service limited to the Hassidic community, that was clever enough to apply for a franchise so they could get busstop signs. In fact, that was exactly what happened. Jd2718 00:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You keep changing the subject. We have sources saying that it is open door (although they are kinda "gray area-ish") and you've yet ot present some that prove otherwise. The only restriction I see is that of the religious seating customs, that's it.There is a published schedule for the route as well. (Although it's current as 2003) Pacific Coast Highway { talk •  contribs } 00:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * For those of you who can't find "sources", just go to the BusChat or the old BusTalk forums just look up the thread to see the real answers, if not. I found two topics on separate websites....
 * (1). talks about fare increase: Quoting: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Williansburg Boro Park buses fare hike public hearing Joint Public Hearing on Extension of Operating Authority of Private Transportation Corporation and Private One of New York - June 28, 2004 The Franchise and Concessions Review Committee and the Department of Transportation will hold a joint public hearing on Monday, June 28, 2004, commencing at 10:00 AM at Spector Hall, 22 Reade Street, Main Floor, Borough of Manhattan, relative to the extension of the operating authority of Private Transportation Corporation (B110 between Williamsburg and Borough Park in Brooklyn) to June 30, 2005 and the extension of the operating authority of Private One of New York, Inc., LLC, d.b.a., New York Airport Service to June 30, 2005 and a $2.50 fare increase on all routes. Copies of the proposed resolutions may be reviewed at the Department of Transportation, Passenger Transport Division, Surface Transit Unit, 59 Maiden Lane, 35th floor, New York NY 10038, commencing Monday, June 7, 2004 through Monday, June 28, 2004, exclusive of Saturdays, Sundays and holidays, between the h ours of 9:00 AM and 5:00 PM. Individuals requesting sign language interpreters should contact the Mayor's Office of Contracts, Public Hearings Unit, 253 Broadway, 9th floor, New York NY 10007 (212) 788-7490 no later than seven (7) business days prior to the public hearing. TDD users should call Verizon Relay Service
 * (2) The other one, explains how the bus service goes towards serving the community. : Quoting: The B110 is owned and operated by Private Transportation Corp under a franchise from the New York City Department of Transportation. As such, by law, the services provided must be consistent with the regs of the NYCDOT and be available to any and all riders wishing to avail themselves of the bus route. The NYCDOT does not permit sexual segregation on it's franchised routes. In what may be a clever gimmick the name, Private Transportation Corp, which is printed on the side of the bus (as required by law) connotes exclusivity discouraging non-Jews from boarding possibly even giving them the impression the bus company has a right to prevent them from doing so.

BWCNY 05:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a franchised route, not a random route run for employees. Do you have a source that ridership is restricted? --NE2 00:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Unless the scope of the article is expanded beyond MTA-operated lines, there shouldn't be an argument; the B110 should NOT be included. If you guys are willing to do this, then this discussion can continue. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 03:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is the title is misleading, there are several dozens of routes in Brooklyn that are not run on NYCDOT franchised routes, They are charted buses. Unless we had to renamed the article to "List of NYCTA/MTA Bus routes in Brooklyn", that would solve the confusion to this problem. I think someone did that in the express routes (similar situation as to this) which unfortunately reverted by User:NE2...         BWCNY 05:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How about "list of franchised bus routes in Brooklyn"? --NE2 07:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that newer TA routes were started without franchise. Jd2718 04:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The scope was never limited to MTA-operated lines, except in the intro; I fixed that. --NE2 03:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * By all means just leave the B110 alone in this page, and it is open to everyone who want to use this route for $2.50.... BWCNY 06:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

More B110
I'm not editing this, for now. But I realized that you've got it entered as if it were a local route. It runs express between two (relatively) distant neighborhoods. Jd2718 15:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Trackless trolleys
The following routes were operated by trolley coaches:
 * 23 Cortelyou: started July 23, 1930 between Coney Island Avenue and Flatbush Avenue; extended west May 27, 1932? September 17, 1932? to New Utrecht Avenue; stopped October 31, 1956
 * originally Cortelyou Road
 * later 62nd Street, 16th Avenue, Dahill Road, Cortelyou Road, [one-way: East 21st Street, Beverly Road, Flatbush Avenue, Cortelyou Road]
 * 45 St. Johns: started September 14, 1948? September 19, 1948? between Civic Center and Pennsylvania Avenue; truncated May 1, 1954 to west of Ralph Avenue; stopped March 25, 1959
 * [one-way: Livingston Street, Court Street, Joralemon Street, Boerum Place], Livingston Street, Flatbush Avenue, Atlantic Avenue, Washington Avenue, Sterling Place, Rogers Avenue, St. Johns Place,
 * originally East New York Avenue, Liberty Avenue, [one-way: Georgia Avenue, Atlantic Avenue, Pennsylvania Avenue, St. Johns Place]
 * later [one-way: Buffalo Avenue, Bergen Street, Ralph Avenue, St. Johns Place]
 * 47 Tompkins: started November 19, 1948 between Prospect Park and Williamsburg Bridge Plaza; stopped July 27, 1960
 * [one-way: Washington Avenue, Lefferts Avenue, Flatbush Avenue, Empire Boulevard], Empire Boulevard, Kingston Avenue, Fulton Street, Tompkins Avenue, Harrison Avenue, Division Avenue, Roebling Street, Bridge Plaza
 * 48 Lorimer: started March 23, 1949 between Prospect Park and Penny Bridge; stopped July 27, 1960
 * [one-way: Sullivan Place, Washington Avenue, Lefferts Avenue, Flatbush Avenue, Empire Boulevard, Franklin Avenue], Franklin Avenue, Flushing Avenue, Lee Avenue, Lorimer Street, Nassau Avenue, Varick Avenue, and Meeker Avenue
 * 57 Flushing Avenue: started November 14, 1949 between Cadman Plaza and Brown Place; rerouted October 22, 1950 from Nassau Street to Concord Street; truncated November 4, 1950 to east of Pearl Street; truncated September 1, 1954 to west of 61st Street; truncated September 21, 1955 to east of Kent Avenue; extended west February 13, 1957 to Gold Street??; extended west January 27, 1960 to Pearl Street; stopped July 27, 1960
 * originally [one-way: Sands Street, Cadman Plaza, High Street, Jay Street], Sands Street, [one-way: Hudson Avenue, Nassau Street / Sands Street, Navy Street], Nassau Street, Flushing Avenue, Grand Avenue
 * later [one-way: Sands Street, Pearl Street, High Street, Jay Street], Sands Street, [one-way: Gold Street, Concord Street, Navy Street / Sands Street, Navy Street], Nassau Street, Flushing Avenue, [one-way: 61st Street, Grand Avenue, 64th Street, Flushing Avenue]
 * later [one-way: Flushing Avenue, Kent Avenue, Park Avenue, Franklin Avenue], Flushing Avenue, [one-way: 61st Street, Grand Avenue, 64th Street, Flushing Avenue]
 * later [one-way: Nassau Street, Gold Street, Concord Street, Navy Street], Nassau Street, Flushing Avenue, [one-way: 61st Street, Grand Avenue, 64th Street, Flushing Avenue]
 * 62 Graham: started December 11, 1949 between Cadman Plaza and Long Island City; rerouted October 22, 1950 from Nassau Street to Concord Street; truncated November 4, 1950 to east of Pearl Street; truncated September 22, 1954 to south of Box Street; truncated September 21, 1955 to east of Kent Avenue; extended west February 13, 1957 to Gold Street??; extended west January 27, 1960 to Pearl Street; stopped July 27, 1960
 * [see B57], Flushing Avenue, Graham Avenue, Driggs Avenue, [one-way: Manhattan Avenue / Driggs Avenue, Lorimer Street, Bedford Avenue], Manhattan Avenue,
 * originally Vernon Boulevard, [one-way: Vernon Boulevard, 49th Avenue?, ferry landing?, 50th Avenue]
 * later [one-way: Manhattan Avenue, Commercial Street, Box Street]
 * 65 Bergen: started October 17, 1948 between Hamilton Ferry and Ralph Avenue; rerouted April 16, 1954 from Sackett Street to Bergen Street; stopped July 27, 1960
 * originally [one-way: Sackett Street, Hamilton Avenue, Union Street, Smith Street], Smith Street,
 * later [one-way: Bergen Street, Court Street, Sackett Street, Hamilton Avenue, Union Street, Smith Street] or [one-way: Bergen Street, Court Street, Union Street, Smith Street],
 * Bergen Street, [one-way: Bergen Street, Ralph Avenue, St. Johns Place, Buffalo Avenue]

Some early franchises
 There were 20 routes total at that time. --NE2 20:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1 Sheepshead Bay, Plum and Manhattan Beaches
 * 3 Avenue U, Gerritsen Beach
 * 7 Kings Highway-Brownsville
 * 14 Pitkin Avenue-Brownsville
 * 15 Manhattan Bridge
 * Avenue D (10? 17?)

Merge
The content from List of newly-formed bus routes in Brooklyn should be merged into this article.--Guyver8400 21:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Revising bus tables
I'm proposing a standard format for route tables across all pages. You can read it here. Comments are appreciated. Pacific Coast Highway { talk • contribs } 01:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Introductory Picture
As with most articles in the WP:NYCPT project dealing with buses, unless there is more than one livery per article for routes of one carrier (i.e., Select Bus Service, Bee Line's Shuttle routes, and GO Bus, there should only be one pic to introduce the article, with the route number clearly visible. I will be changing all of the articles to match this. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 05:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

List of proposed service reductions
I noticed that on the List of bus routes in Staten Island article, there was a list of proposed route changes to take effect on June 27th, 2010. Could somebody put this in for all 5 boroughs (For example: B71 elimination, B37/B70 restructuring, etc)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Checkmatechamp137 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Train2104 prepared pages for the upcoming changes, see WT:NYCPT. Tinlinkin (talk) 11:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Notable?
Is this really notable and something you would expect to find in a encyclopedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtpaley (talk • contribs) 10:45, 19 October 2014‎

Underlinked
Is there a deliberate reason why almost none of the streets and avenues are linked? E.g., at random, Flatbush Avenue, Eastern Parkway, Fulton Street (Brooklyn), Canal Street (Manhattan), Chrystie Street. I'm aware that such links would require a lot of work and create a "sea of blue", but it would also IMO increase the list's usability. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:12, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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B51 original
Traveled along New Lots, most likely! Alexlatham96 (talk) 01:14, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

B54
The b54 replace the Myrtle avenue shuttle and it runs from ridgewood to downtown Jay Street Brooklyn via Myrtle 2600:4041:597A:E600:A504:6555:6FAA:8F5F (talk) 14:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)