Talk:List of canonizations

Pre-1588 Canonizations added
I added the few dozen saints listed here. The information in this source may conflict with information in the saints' articles. This source includes canonization date, saint name, date of death, and the canonizing pope. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Please look up the WP:MOSBD
when adding birth and death dates. Thank you. --Dharion (talk) 10:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion
I am proposing to merge List of saints by pope with this article. They both are duplicate of each other. --Jayarathina (talk) 16:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup. (Although, honestly, while this is a better article, I think that one has a better namespace. I'm usually all for brevity, but this one is rather unclear as to the subject.) — Llywelyn II   17:11, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * An attempt to proceed with the merge was reverted by the apparent owner of this page, who prefers inline links to citations aa well as inaccurate information. Mannanan51 (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge: into WP:SALORDER that possibly uses s. There multiple duplication of content: e.g. List of saints by pope, List of Catholic saints, Chronological list of saints and blesseds (a list of lists). I think adding categories "Canonized by Pope X" into the articles would be better than a list by popes. Is there a way to populate list articles based on categories and include a lede, etc.? –BoBoMisiu (talk) 17:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Uncertain: Proceed with a sortable wikitable? See below. — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Support 's solution below. I think that would be the best route to take. Avoids the duplication of lists "by _____" and avoids huge tables.  (If there's a way to make tables collapsible, that would be a good thing to add so readers can shrink tables they know they're not interested in; I'm not sure if that's actually an option, though.)   Jujutsuan  ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 17:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

A sortable wikitable?

 * List of Catholic saints - in sequence by date of death
 * List of canonizations - in sequence by Pope, canonization date
 * List of saints by pope - in sequence by Pope (19 - 21st century only), canonization date (wikitable)

For many months, I was updating List of Catholic saints with information from List of canonizations since it appears to be the most complete. I do like the wikitable format within List of saints by pope

In addition, there are these individual canonization lists:
 * List of saints canonized by Pope Leo XIII
 * List of saints canonized by Pope Pius XI
 * List of saints canonized by Pope Pius XII
 * List of saints canonized by Pope John XXIII
 * List of saints canonized by Pope Paul VI
 * List of saints canonized by Pope John Paul II
 * List of saints canonized by Pope Benedict XVI
 * List of saints canonized by Pope Francis

Stepping back and looking at "the big picture", for the average Wikipedia reader, what might be easiest and complete would be an article/list with a sortable (all columns) Wikitable like this: | Saint name | Birth date | Death date | Pope canonized by | Canonization date |

To prevent the table from becoming HUGE, it might be broken apart by century like List of Popes for example. — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * you did a lot of work on this, I think your wikitable idea is good. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 22:38, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Mockup of sortable wikitable
While I am no expert for coding wikitables, I did "clone" some of List of saints canonized by Pope Paul VI, the first few of the 21 saints that he canonized.

* Discussion: If there is another or better way of setting this up, I invite any and all editors to change above with any improvements needed. Cheers! — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * the "Saint" and "Birth date" fields is not sorting correctly in your mockup. I'm guessing or in "Birth date" is confusing the algorithm.
 * {|class="wikitable sortable"

!class="unsortable"|No.!!Saint!!Birth date!!Death date!!Canonized by!!Date of Canonization
 * 1.||data-sort-value="Lwanga, Charles"|Charles Lwanga and 21 Companions||1860 or 1865||3 June 1886||Pope Paul VI||18 October 1964
 * 2.||data-sort-value="Romançon, Benildus"|Benildus Romançon||14 June 1805||13 August 1862||Pope Paul VI||29 October 1967
 * 3.||data-sort-value="Billiart, Julie"|Julie Billiart||12 July 1751||8 April 1816||Pope Paul VI||22 June 1969
 * 4.||data-sort-value="Soledad, Maria"|Maria Soledad||2 December 1826||11 October 1887||Pope Paul VI||25 January 1970
 * }
 * I added:
 * s as a fix in the above version of your mockup. does not fix the sort if only added to one date, e.g. 1860.
 * (see WP:TABLESORT for other options) to sort by last name.
 * so the "No." field is not sortable. I think the "No." field will be troublesome since each value is hard coded – adding a missing saint into the table between two previously added saints will require inserting a new number.
 * –BoBoMisiu (talk) 21:19, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * s as a fix in the above version of your mockup. does not fix the sort if only added to one date, e.g. 1860.
 * (see WP:TABLESORT for other options) to sort by last name.
 * so the "No." field is not sortable. I think the "No." field will be troublesome since each value is hard coded – adding a missing saint into the table between two previously added saints will require inserting a new number.
 * –BoBoMisiu (talk) 21:19, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the table updates. Sure looks like a lot more wikicode, wish there was an easier way. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 17:17, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikitable example, more data

 * {|class="wikitable sortable"

!class="unsortable"|No.!!Saint!!Birth date!!Death date!!Canonized by!!Date of Canonization
 * 1.||data-sort-value="Pelletier, Mary Euphrasia"|Mary Euphrasia Pelletier
 * 31 July 1796||24 April 1868
 * Pope Pius XII
 * 2 May 1940
 * 2.||data-sort-value="Galgani, Gemma"|Gemma Galgani
 * 12 March 1878||11 April 1903
 * Pope Pius XII
 * 2 May 1940
 * 3.||data-sort-value="Margaret of Hungary"|Margaret of Hungary
 * 27 January 1242||18 January 1271
 * Pope Pius XII
 * 19 November 1943
 * 4.||data-sort-value="Cabrini, Frances Xavier"|Frances Xavier Cabrini
 * 15 July 1850||22 December 1917
 * Pope Pius XII
 * 7 July 1946
 * 5.||data-sort-value="Nicholas of Flüe"|Nicholas of Flüe
 * 1417||21 March 1487
 * Pope Pius XII
 * 15 May 1947
 * 6.||data-sort-value="Realino, Bernardino"|Bernardino Realino
 * 1 December 1530||2 July 1616
 * Pope Pius XII
 * 22 June 1947
 * 1.||data-sort-value="Melchiori, Carlo"|Carlo Melchiori
 * 19 October 1613||6 January 1670
 * Pope John XXIII
 * 12 April 1959
 * 2.||data-sort-value="Vedruna de Mas, Joaquina"|Joaquina Vedruna de Mas
 * 16 April 1783||28 August 1854
 * Pope John XXIII
 * 12 April 1959
 * 3.||data-sort-value="Barbarigo, Gregorio"|Gregorio Barbarigo
 * 16 September 1625||18 June 1697
 * Pope John XXIII
 * 26 May 1960
 * 4.||data-sort-value="Ribera, Juan de"|Juan de Ribera
 * 16 September 1625||18 June 1697
 * Pope John XXIII
 * 12 June 1960
 * 1.||data-sort-value="Lwanga, Charles"|Charles Lwanga and 21 Companions
 * 1860 or 1865||3 June 1886
 * Pope Paul VI
 * 18 October 1964
 * 2.||data-sort-value="Romançon, Benildus"|Benildus Romançon
 * 14 June 1805||13 August 1862
 * Pope Paul VI
 * 29 October 1967
 * 3.||data-sort-value="Billiart, Julie"|Julie Billiart
 * 12 July 1751||8 April 1816
 * Pope Paul VI
 * 22 June 1969
 * 4.||data-sort-value="Soledad, Maria"|Maria Soledad
 * 2 December 1826||11 October 1887
 * Pope Paul VI
 * 25 January 1970
 * }
 * 14 June 1805||13 August 1862
 * Pope Paul VI
 * 29 October 1967
 * 3.||data-sort-value="Billiart, Julie"|Julie Billiart
 * 12 July 1751||8 April 1816
 * Pope Paul VI
 * 22 June 1969
 * 4.||data-sort-value="Soledad, Maria"|Maria Soledad
 * 2 December 1826||11 October 1887
 * Pope Paul VI
 * 25 January 1970
 * }
 * 25 January 1970
 * }

* Discussion: Above example has more data & three popes. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Example from beginning
Hey all, in light of the merge dicussions, I started a table from the beginning.

Some notes: When dates were unknown, I left them blank. If saints were called "blabla of someplace" I had the table sort by their given name rather than the place. I also included a notes column since it looks like some of the other articles to be merged in included some notes. Thoughts? It'd be great if several people could contribute. Is there some way we'd like to split the table? Centuries were proposed. If others could contribute that'd be great. We could either start building the table in the article or build it here and move it over. Thoughts? Ajpolino (talk) 02:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Pinging editors who participated in the discussion 6 months ago. Any help is much appreciated! Ajpolino (talk) 02:18, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

* Recommend To help "get the job done" I think we should simplify this wikitable with less columns. Then the list will be more consistent with these two:


 * List of venerable people (Roman Catholic) - Name, Date of death, Date declared venerable
 * List of beatified people - Name, Date of death, Date of beatification

If the reader needs more information from the list there is the wikilink to that person's article. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

* Redirect this article to comprehensive List of saints so there is one central place to maintain. — JoeHebda • (talk) 17:28, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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