Talk:List of cercopithecoids

Subspecies listings
I'm reviewing IUCN and ASM's MDD for subspecies listings. Here are some discrepancies between what I'm finding in IUCN and what's in this list, with additional notes from ASM where different. I take it the other secondary sources disagree on these.


 * Cercopithecus mitis (I note here that 3 of these were species articles that I've updated to be subspecies)
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. albogularis Sykes' monkey
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. albotorquatus
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. boutourlinii
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. doggetti silver monkey
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. erythrarchus
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. heymansi
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. kandti golden monkey
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. kolbi
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. labiatus
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. manyaraensis
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. mitis
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. moloneyi
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. monoides
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. opisthostictus
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. stuhlmanni
 * Cercopithecus mitis ssp. zammaranoi


 * Cercopithecus nictitans
 * Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. insolitus
 * Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. ludio
 * Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. martini
 * Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. nictitans
 * Cercopithecus nictitans ssp. stampflii


 * Cercopithecus wolfi
 * Cercopithecus wolfi ssp. elegans
 * Cercopithecus wolfi ssp. pyrogaster
 * Cercopithecus wolfi ssp. wolfi


 * Chlorocebus djamdjamensis
 * Chlorocebus djamdjamensis ssp. djamdjamensis
 * Chlorocebus djamdjamensis ssp. harennaensis


 * Chlorocebus aethiops
 * Chlorocebus aethiops ssp. aethiops
 * Chlorocebus aethiops ssp. matschiei


 * Chlorocebus pygerythrus (If anyone ever questions my monkey nerd credentials, I show them my sugar skull tattoo of this species)
 * Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. hilgerti
 * Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. nesiotes
 * Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. pygerythrus
 * Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. rufoviridis
 * Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. zavattarii


 * Erythrocebus patas
 * Erythrocebus patas ssp. patas
 * Erythrocebus patas ssp. pyrrhonotus
 * Erythrocebus patas ssp. villiersi


 * Lophocebus aterrimus (ASM lists both as species)
 * Lophocebus aterrimus ssp. aterrimus
 * Lophocebus aterrimus ssp. opdenboschi (demote from species)


 * Lophocebus albigena (ASM lists all as species)
 * Lophocebus albigena ssp. albigena
 * Lophocebus albigena ssp. johnstoni
 * Lophocebus albigena ssp. osmani
 * Lophocebus albigena ssp. ugandae


 * Macaca radiata
 * Macaca radiata ssp. diluta
 * Macaca radiata ssp. radiata


 * Macaca fascicularis (several spelling differences that ASM disagrees with)
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. atriceps
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. aurea
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. condorensis
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. fascicularis
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. fusca
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. karimondjawae
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. lasiae
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. philippensis (discarded)
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. tua
 * Macaca fascicularis ssp. umbrosa

That's as far as I'm able to get today.... I'll look at the remaining genera tomorrow. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Colobus angolensis
 * Colobus angolensis ssp. angolensis
 * Colobus angolensis ssp. cordieri
 * Colobus angolensis ssp. cottoni
 * Colobus angolensis ssp. nov.
 * Colobus angolensis ssp. palliatus
 * Colobus angolensis ssp. prigoginei
 * Colobus angolensis ssp. ruwenzorii
 * Colobus angolensis ssp. sharpei


 * Colobus guereza
 * Colobus guereza ssp. dodingae
 * Colobus guereza ssp. gallarum
 * Colobus guereza ssp. guereza
 * Colobus guereza ssp. kikuyuensis
 * Colobus guereza ssp. matschiei
 * Colobus guereza ssp. occidentalis
 * Colobus guereza ssp. percivali


 * Piliocolobus foai
 * No listed subspecies in IUCN. ellioti is a synonym for semlikiensis in IUCN. ASM has it under oustaletti with the note: likely a hybrid swarm between P. oustaleti, P. langi, and P. semlikiensis.
 * IUCN and ASM have Piliocolobus parmentieri as a species.


 * Presbytis hosei
 * IUCN has both subspecies marked as "discarded"


 * Semnopithecus hypoleucos
 * Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. achates
 * Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. hypoleucos
 * Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. iulus


 * Semnopithecus priam
 * Semnopithecus priam ssp. anchises (IUCN has this, but ASM puts it in hypoleucos above)
 * Semnopithecus priam ssp. priam
 * Semnopithecus priam ssp. thersites


 * Simias concolor
 * Simias concolor ssp. concolor
 * Simias concolor ssp. siberu


 * Trachypithecus pileatus
 * Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. brahma
 * Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. durga (discarded)
 * Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. pileatus
 * Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. tenebricus


 * Trachypithecus geei
 * IUCN says subspecies as bhutanensis was not described per ICZN. (listed as nomen nudem in ASM)


 * Trachypithecus germaini
 * IUCN says no subspecies. It doesn't mention caudalis at all. ASM has it here.


 * Trachypithecus ebenus
 * IUCN lumps with Trachypithecus hatinhensis, ASM lists them separately.

Done! - UtherSRG (talk) 15:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Right now, subspecies in the list are just whatever was in MSW3 (minus subspecies being promoted to species), so this needs to get into the list at some point. -- Pres N  19:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the work you've done on this and other lists. I'm again back at incorporating the various tables into their genus articles. I see that the list has 3 species for Lophocebus even though IUCN only recognizes 2 (and ASM recognizes all of the listed subspecies as species). I think we should collapse opdenboschi into atterminus so that we have only the two species. What do you think? - UtherSRG (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it's here because MSW has it, and since ASM retains it IUCN dropping it doesn't wipe that out. I think you're right, though, ASM has 3 other species IUCN doesn't recognize and if I'm remembering the last conversation we had about this right, for primates MSW should be considered a bit less. -- Pres N  17:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)