Talk:List of converts to Islam

Ice Cube
...is listed under both Christianity and undetermined former religion. Also, according to Ice Cube, he is "not for the pop charts". --Denise from the Cosby Show (talk) 01:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Queen Noor
Question: How about an article on the list of those who feared death if they left Islam? I guess that article would be too long for Wikipedia... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refreshingly29242924 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Question : Should Queen Noor be in the list, as she convered so she could marry ? - the text at the top of the page would seem to say not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codf1977 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's what it says, that's why I will delete your entry.--Chrono1084 (talk) 18:11, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks (BTW - was not my entry) - Just wanted to check that was what it ment. Codf1977 (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, sorry I thought it was yours.--Chrono1084 (talk) 17:51, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Marriage
There are at least three people listed on the page who have converted for reasons of marriage, before I (or someone else) removes them, I just wish to check that it is still the concessions view that they should not be on the list.

They are:


 * Khaled Edward Blair - British barrister, later married Princess Badiya bint El Hassan of Jordan.
 * Jemima Goldsmith daughter of the billionaire Sir James, who was married to Imran Khan
 * Kishore Kumar - Famous Indian singer who converted when he married Madhubala.

Comments please. Codf1977 (talk) 07:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If those are marital conversions, you can proceed with their deletion.--Chrono1084 (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I find it very confusing, why should those who convert before marriage should not be listed? did they not convert to Islam? It should list all people who did convert to the religion regardless of marriage reasons or not because they have converted to Islam, this is a list which shows people which have converted to Islam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DinajGao (talk • contribs) 22:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Reports
There are several reports of conversion of Brian Lara,Neil Armstrong,Napoleon and Sunita Williams but I have no proof. Can anyone get reports?asa 05:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzsabusayeed (talk • contribs)


 * The Wikipedia page is called "List of converts to Islam". Aren't the converts who converted because of marriage still converts? If one were to ask any of them what religion they were or are they would say Muslim. Just post a link or a source that informs the reader that she converted for marriage rather than removing her off the list. Like I said before the page is called "Lists of Converts to Islam". They are converts. <-- obikua   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.217.101 (talk) 20:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Nation of islam is not muslim
this is considered a heretical sect and thus shouldn't be on the list
 * It's a heretical sect but it's still a heretical sect of Islam, which has adopted many Islamic practices. Plot Spoiler (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Nation of Islam has no connection whatsoever to Islam. The name is very misleading indeed, however, through research, you will find out that the Nation of Islam believe in one god, which is the common theme amongst all Abrahamic religions including Islam. That's about the only common similarity between Islam and The Nation of Islam. Adherents of this religion believe that Fard Mohammed who founded the religion in 1930 is the equivilant of the Christian Messiah and Islam's Mahdi. Furthermore, they believe that blacks were the first humans and the white race is still evolving. With that said, Islam and the Nation of Islam could not be any more different, in fact, Christianity and Judaism have a lot in common with Islam than the Nation of Islam does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.123.124.250 (talk) 02:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Jews and Judaism
Please do not speculate regarding the religion of various ethnic Jews who have converted to Islam. Jews may practise any religion, or none, and it's a good bet that if they're described as "secular... Marxist" they weren't practising Judaism before their conversion. Jayjg (talk) 23:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)


 * While true that Jews may practice any religion they please, or none at all for that matter, it's still a far cry from mere "speculation" that a Jew would just so happen to practice Judaism. While I agree that we shouldn't be rushing to ASSUMPTIONS that a Jew is a practicing Jew or not (of Judaism, of course,) but what you're doing on this talk page is helping to propagate the same old myth fabricated and pushed by those who would like to invent some sort of fictitious disconnect between modern-day Jews and the Jews of Ancient Israel, as though the Jews of today have no historical ties to Israel. Please stop doing that. WrentchTosser (talk) 10:50, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What on earth are you talking about? Jayjg (talk) 01:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

please add these people
Please add Abdur Raheem Green a British convert to Islam and is a founder of the Islamic Education & Research Academy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdur_Raheem_Green

Please add Pierre Vogel a German Islamic preacher and former professional Boxer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Vogel

Please add Kristiane Backer a German-born television presenter, television journalist and author residing in London. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristiane_Backer

please add Dr Laurence B Brown, American ophthalmologist and author of 5 books, converted from Christianity to Islam in 1994. refs: http://www.leveltruth.com/author.html (personal website) http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Dr+laurence+B+brown&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3ADr+laurence+B+brown&ajr=3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAIWLzPkseE

Please add Dr Jeffrey Lang, Professor of mathematics at the University of Kansas and author of 3 books, converted from Christianity to Islam refs: http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/jeffrey_lang.shtml http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=jeffrey+land&x=0&y=0#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=jeffrey+lang&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ajeffrey+lang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcNOaePZT68

Please add Sara Bokker - Sara Bokker is a former actress, model, fitness instructor, and activist. Currently, Sara is director of communications at The March for Justice, a co-founder of The Global Sisters Network, and producer of the infamous Shock & Awe Gallery©. Sara may be reached at srae@marchforjustice.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caimiasd (talk • contribs) 09:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Please add Dr Jerald Dirks, a former Christian minister and author of 6 books and co-author of 2 http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/dirks1.shtml http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=jeffrey+land&x=0&y=0#/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_12?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=jerald+dirks&sprefix=jerald+dirks&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ajerald+dirks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOZSrPF5GNo

Please add Chauncey Lamont Hawkins aka loon, a former rapper who converted from christianity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLWOXKlHys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZFueqQnops

Please add Margaret Marcus, aka Maryam Jameela, author of many books, who converted from Judaism to Islam: http://www.nmfuk.org/danfodio/MaryamJameelasBiography.pdf http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_15?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=maryam+jameelah&x=0&y=0&sprefix=maryam+jameelah 216.80.92.69 (talk) 06:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Some of them are not notable; others are already in the list. Please check the list to see who is already on it, and please note the list only contains individuals with Wikipedia articles. Jayjg (talk) 02:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

you're right loon and Jerald Dirks are already in the list. sorry i missed this. Laurence Brown HAS a wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_B._Brown about the list only including "notable persons", the title is "list of american muslims" and not "notable muslims"..i believe being an author with published books or articles is enough for someone to be considered notable. 216.80.92.69 (talk) 21:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Sikhism
Guru Nakak Dev who is listed under "Sikhism" as a convert to Islam is not true. He was born into a hindu household, which can be verified on the wiki page "Guru Nanak Dev". He declared himself nor Hindu or Muslim at a communion and died without owing any allegiance to any religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.57.37 (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Michael Jackson
it is very much confirmed that conversion of MJ was nothing but another hoax like neil armstrong and sunita williams keeping the latest revealations no new reference has been pointed out only the initial fake article by "THE SUN" has been mentioned the so called imam who converted MJ into islam has already denied that and the tendency of muslims to lay false claim is not new and hence MJ name must be deleted from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASHOKBINDUSARA (talk • contribs) 12:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Quoting the FAQ from Talk:Michael Jackson, for future reference: "The article should not mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim. Jackson had not publicly spoken about his exact religion in a number of years and only spoke about spirituality in general terms. The specific reports of a conversion ceremony for Jackson have been denied by his New York lawyer Londell McMillan. They were also denied by Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens and Dawud Wharnsby who were allegedly present at the ceremony. The Michael Jackson memorial service did not involve any Islamic rites. Without further details from his family or representatives, it will not be included in the article." --McGeddon (talk) 13:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Susanne Osthoff - German archaeologist
At least part of the reason for her "conversion" to Islam was her intent to marry her Muslim husband, which, according to Muslim teaching, makes a "conversion" necessary. The claim that the article "is not intended to address ethnic, cultural, or other considerations, such as marriage" is obviously false, at least with regard to her case. Georgm76 (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox problem
The image of the twenty converts in the infobox is screwed up as there are only 19 names listed underneath it. I'm not sure who is missing as the first face I recognise is Malcolm X but he is the ninth picture and only the eighth name so it is one of those old timers before him. Somebody who knows who they all are needs to fix it. Thanks. Keresaspa (talk) 19:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Major Authority
David Benjamin Kildani. Dawud Benyamin was a Catholic Bishop who converted to Islam. He wrote the most amazing books about Christian misconceptions of the bible prophecies. The fact that he wasn't listed here smells of putrid foul play. His book "Mohammad in the Bible" is a must read for anyone interested in the truth. Seek ye the truth and the truth shall set you free. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.95.220 (talk) 05:28, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Shems Friedlander must be added.
Shems Friedlander is a scholar in American University of Cairo, Egypt. He is author of several books and documentaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.238.176.69 (talk) 01:09, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

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Deletion spree by blocked user
User:Jobas, since blocked, went on a deletion spree on January 23, 2017, removing several names from the list with reasons left such as "citation needed from March 2015": (Revision history) While I haven't gone through every single name to verify whether the removals are warranted or not, from a brief look even individuals such as Q-Tip, Muhammad Asad and Bilal Philips – whose respective articles all include sources and citations indicating their respective conversions to Islam – have been removed.

I think someone should look into this, or I may revert the changes myself. If a user's issue is with someone's name being included: The first thing he/she could've done is check the parent article. If there are no citations there, then it becomes an issue. Another thing they could have done is use a or  tag, rather than going on a mass-deletion spree without even bothering to bring it up for discussion at the Talk page. DA1 (talk) 03:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ,, Does anyone have any thoughts? Very surprised this went overlooked.

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Jeff Fort
I agree that Jeff Fort's "conversion" to Islam may be questionable. This source says:
 * The El Rukns use their religion, police say, as a cover for one of the largest drug operations on the South Side....
 * Police raids on the mosque netted guns, marijuana, and cocaine, says Kolovitz....
 * “If El Rukn is a religious group, its sacraments are narcotics trafficking, intimidation . . . and human sacrifice,” says Cook County state’s attorney Richard M. Daley.

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Removing certain people from the list
Hello,

I wanted to request if certain people on this list could be removed, because thus far, there seems to be an overabundance of convicts/criminals who have been included in this list though their names aren't really recognisable in the public sphere much at all; amidst all the plethora of human activities and disciplines, it seems that all the converts ever recorded under the realm of criminal activity have been cherry-picked and included into this list though these are people not notable for any of their activities nor their presence nor even authenticity as Muslims. As a matter of a fact, while at least Dr. Death is still a notable figure (even if glaringly un-Muslim), the vast majority of these people are not even notabe at all, not even as criminals, the very little recognition they have recieved is (for most of the cases here) exclusively for the single crime they became televised for, or for a string of criminal activities that are not attributable to their conversion, or in other cases for activities that are attributed to their conversion but which the very people (either neighbours or their local mosques) clarified was a clear violation of the belief-system they converted into. I understand that since they happen to have a Wikipedia page that they are hence eligible for being considered notable Muslims but by that regard should not then every Muslim convert from every discipline, who happens to have a Wiki page, be included? That would essentially fill the list of 'notable converts' with absolutely unrecognisable names, right now 31 of the 141 names in the list are those who have been convicted or sentenced with some criminal activity, which creates a rather outrageously misleading image if anyone were to open a page of Muslim converts only to see that 22% of it is filled with convicts/criminals (people who otherwise are as notable as any standard professor or doctor who's been on the news at least once). I wanted to therefore request if the removal of these persons may be merited through the provision of any information considered substantial enough to validate their removal (on various grounds, listed below), a few cases are listed below:

Hasan Akbar (born Mark Fidel Kools) : According to a New York Times article about him ( https://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/12/us/national-briefing-south-louisiana-a-weapons-charge.html?ref=hasankakbar ), it was his father who had converted to Islam in adulthood, Hasan himself was therefore raised Muslim since he was a little child, thus may not be considered a 'convert' per se

Charles Brooks, Jr. : According to https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/charlie-brooks-last-words/ and also https://www.nytimes.com/1982/12/07/us/technician-executes-murderer-in-texas-by-lethal-injection.html Brooks spent the overwhelming majority of his life as a non-Muslim, most importantly the period in which he committed his crimes, his conversion took place in his prison period shortly before his execution; neither his role nor credibility as a Muslim should therefore merit a presence in a list of notable Muslim converts, or at the very least his description on the list should make it clear his conversion was a reformation after his crimes, certainly not related to them

Sultaana Freeman : She is not known for her influence nor even presence as a Muslim convert for any reason other than the single controversial case she fought. Her notability only extends as far as the journalistic coverage she received for what is otherwise a very local act; beyond her controversial act, she had not otherwise been known in the public sphere for her conversion

Andrew Ibrahim : According to the BBC recount of his background ( https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-46404028 ), it was his own very local Muslim community that condemns his blatantly non-Islamic actions, and which alerted the police about him

Michael Finton : According to the NYT article ( https://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/us/28springfield.html ) about his actions and his background, the very mosque that he had frequently attended had come out declaring he he "hasn’t been learning" from the mosque's teachings and categorically condemned him

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.194.236.68 (talk) 05:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Content Modification
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I noticed that most of the people (e.g. Muhammad Ali, Jemima Goldsmith, etc.) placed under the heading "Undetermined former religion" have claimed themselves to have belonged to a certain religion in the past which makes the heading misleading and factually incorrect. I have rectified this error by simply converting the list into a comprehensive list of all individuals(irrespective of their past religious affiliations) and relocating the heading "Based on former religion" to the end, thus making it a discrete list comprised of verified entries only. In this way, the newly formed heading "Based on alphabetical order: A-Z" can be used to enter the names and information of any individual regardless of having to bother about their past religious identity which many a time is not publicly announced by them and can lead to data being entered incorrectly.

Let me know if you have any other solution to address this issue. Also, I think we must consider relocating the content under "Based on former religion" to the main page as that would give a clearer picture of the subject by eliminating unnecessary links and by bringing all the information on a single page.DalalLama (talk) 08:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Maurice Bucaille.
Very unclear if he converted. See his wiki page. Yesihavereadit (talk) 12:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Some definitely converted but others we are unsure - divide the list into two sections?
Bucaille is an obvious example of someone who it is unclear if he ever fully converted or was pretending in order to sell his books And maintain his position as doctor to Saudi and Egyptian kings and president. Yesihavereadit (talk) 12:12, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Recent change
I don't agree with this change because it puts the majority of content into "Undetermined". How is that useful? Previously, at least the list was sorted alphabetically, which is not as useful as sorting it by previous religion, but now the list is even less useful than before. "Undetermined" is also misleading because it tells the reader that "there is no information about the previous religion", whereas that is not necessarily true. The other big issue with this sorting is that can you show all of the references also mention the previous religion? If they don't, then this sorting violates WP:V.

What you've done is a good faith and ambitious edit, but its best that you do it in draft space until it is ready.VR talk 08:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I seriously doubt their reason for grouping under religions instead of alphabetical order so have reverted it. They should get a consensus before making such edits here. Bringtar (talk) 08:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * My reason for grouping under religion is very clear as stated elsewhere that we should organize the list same as we have organized List of converts to Hinduism, List of converts to Buddhism, List of converts to Christianity and others. There should be no special exception for this list. You both can can work to improve the article or add a few maintenance tags to enforce the view that the list is not perfect. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 09:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Other lists are organized that way doesn't mean it becomes a norm unless you can point me to a policy that says so otherwise alphabetical order is the most accepted form. --Bringtar (talk) 06:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

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