Talk:List of countries by number of Academy Awards for Best International Feature Film

Update the figure
Some body please update the figure. I don't know how to do. Add 2012 winner too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.241.28.40 (talk) 00:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Missing countries?
Is there a reason some countries are missing from the list? (For example, India has had 3 nominations, but does not appear.) What criteria are being used? Shreevatsa (talk) 18:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Missing countries
Sometimes there are more countries credited in a movie. For example: Character the film that won the award in 1997 is a Dutch/Belgian movie but here it's only credited as a Dutch movie. Should it be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.226.207.9 (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Germany
The Oscars for West Germany and Germany must be merged. It's the same country, just with enlarged territory. --Beliar (talk) 22:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

True. Germany didn't reunited, but the Eastern part joined the rest of the country of Germany. But I guess a Jewish lobby had a part in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.15.118.204 (talk) 13:53, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The official German institution for the academy awards makes no mention of any break or seperation, either. Just because the acadamy awards database can't merge two datasets with different names, doesn't mean, we can't.--Beliar (talk) 07:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No original research, since the official Academy Awards website list it separately http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/ampas_awards/DisplayMain.jsp;jsessionid=F637BCE3368F9496F9D1F739D0C0D4E5?curTime=1455492518252, that's how it should be listed. I mean should we combine Soviet Union and Russia, and others as well?--Sedssles1 (talk) 13:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We obviously should not, since Russia and the Soviet Union are not the same country. But by your definition, we should split the US in other articles in pre-1959 and after, since two more states joined the US, since that is what happened in Germany; five more states joined the FRG. The AA page lists them seperately since they dropped the full name Federal Republic of Germany and simply wrote Germany when the Germand Democratic Republic and therefore the reason to distinguish ceased to exist. The official name for Germany still is Federal Republic of Germany and it's the same country. See the article West Germany if you still want to maintain these are different nations and be corrected. There is no sign that the AA did this split intentional, but it was solely out of convenience.  It is not original research, since I provided you a reliable source for my point of view which directly lists all German academy award wins and nominations. Additionally, here another source, which doesn't even feel obligated that they made the obvious merge of Germany and West Germany . Your link doesn't work, btw. --Beliar (talk) 11:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Highest %/lowest % success rate chart?
Was just wondering if someone could do this on the talk page. Now granted I do know a couple just won there only nom and that Israel has yet to win. (Japan never won until 2008, not including its honorary wins though). Then looking at the number of submissions compared to nominations. (Dang Iceland really submitted in that many times? And then I'm surprised Portugal and Korea have not been nominated, but not so much for Egypt. For that reason I always put on my Oscar nomination picks before they are announced Portugal often ha ha.) But yeah this could be interesting. Wgolf (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Estonia
In the article is said that "The Soviet Union, which received all of its nominations for Russian-language films, was nominated for the last time in 1984 and was formally dissolved on December 26, 1991. Russia, Georgia and Kazakhstan are the only post-Soviet states to have been nominated for the Best Foreign Language Film Award"; but simultaneously says that Estonia has a nomination in 1992--MiguelMadeira (talk) 15:01, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

The numbers
The numbers have to be double-checked. For instance, Italy. Jmj713 (talk) 18:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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List order
As I see it, the list should be sorted in descending importance: wins, nominations, submissions. This is based on our separate country lists, not any specific Academy lists. It makes sense to sort that way, if not sorting alphabetically, as we are simply presenting a synthesis of available data and we do not need to replicate a specific list. Therefore, after being sorted by wins and nominations, countries need to be sorted by submissions (and alphabetically throughout), as that is the only logical way. Otherwise, there's no rhyme or reason. It does not make sense to me, mathematically, to have West Germany above Hungary (both with 1 win and 8 nominations), since Hungary has had more submissions. Jmj713 (talk) 13:01, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree - makes sense to me.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:21, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The list should not be sorted by submissions. It doesn't make sense to do so, because submission is not one of the "importance" you talked about above.  The Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film is one of the "Academy Awards of Merit". Countries' own submissions are not decided by the Academy and has nothing to do with Academy's "merit", thus this award.
 * You said above "It does not make sense to me, mathematically, to have West Germany above Hungary (both with 1 win and 8 nominations), since Hungary has had more submissions."  Your analogy doesn't make much sense either.  Say a country has submitted 60 times over the years but only got 1 nomination from the Academy, and another country only submitted 3 times to the Academy and also got 1 nomination; obviously the more impressive situation is the latter one.  How many times a country has submitted should have no regards in this ranking, hence the official Oscars database http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/ampas_awards/DisplayMain.jsp?curTime=1444646518575 only list wins and nominations.  I'm not opposing to have other information on this List (such as submissions), but they should not be one of the "factors" in this ranking.--Sedssles1 (talk) 01:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * First, this list is not sorted by submissions. It's first sorted by wins, then by nominations, and only then by submissions, and after that alphabetically. That's the only fair way. Secondly, the table is sortable so you can sort it any way you like. There's no need to refer to any Academy list, this list is just presenting available data from the separate country articles. This is not original research because it's simply counting. And for me, the number of submissions is important. Not as important as nominations, of course, but it's still indicative of how many films a country deemed worthy of submitting for the Oscar. Also, how long and how often a country has been submitting its films. So if two countries have the same number of nominations but one country has more submissions, to me that means that country has had more films it deemed important or worthy enough to submit for the Oscar. The country with the lower number of submissions is not in any way "better" or "more impressive". Maybe it's a young country and if they had three submissions and one nomination - well, good for them, but this is not a sport. This is simply a table chronicling the overall participation of all countries in this Award. So sorting the list by descending importance (wins, nominations, submissions) is the only logical way. I don't see why there should be any weight or bias to having more or less submissions; it's just math. Jmj713 (talk) 13:24, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "Submissions" are not decided by the Academy, but "wins" and "nominations" are decided by the Academy. It is as simple as that. That is why submissions should "not" be be part of the list's ranking, which is about the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film.  And "There's no need to refer to any Academy list"?  This whole List is about this one Academy Award, so of course we should refer to the original database.--Sedssles1 (talk) 08:35, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The Academy does decide which submitted films it will accept, which is why sometimes submitted films don't appear on the Academy's official final list. Jmj713 (talk) 12:42, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But that has nothing to do with "merit" issues (which is what wins and nominations stand for), but technicalities and eligibilities. The submissions are not "merit" choices made by the Academy.--Sedssles1 (talk) 21:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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Numbers: Italian French and Japanese nominees and submissions
Hello, everybody! It seems to me that there are some problems with the numbers of Italian, French and Japanese nominees and submissions:
 * Between 1956 and 2017 (except 1973), Italy submitted 61 films (not *64: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_submissions_for_the_Academy_Award_for_Best_Foreign_Language_Film), and had 28 nominees (not *31)
 * Between 1956 and 2017, France submitted 62 films (not *64: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_submissions_for_the_Academy_Award_for_Best_Foreign_Language_Film), and had 37 nominees (not *39)
 * Between 1956 and 2017 (except 1976), Japan submitted 61 films (not *64: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_submissions_for_the_Academy_Award_for_Best_Foreign_Language_Film), and had 12 nominees (not *15)

The numbers are wrong because between 1947 and 1955, the Academy presented Special/Honorary Awards to the best foreign language films released in the United States —Italy won 2 Special Awards in 1947 and 1949, and 1 Honorary Award in 1950, shared with France; France won 1 Special Award in 1948, and 2 Honorary Awards in 1950, shared with Italy, and 1952; and Japan won 3 Honorary Awards in 1951, 1954 and 1955—, but those awards were not competitive, as there were no nominees but simply a winner every year that was voted on by the Board of Governors of the Academy ). Best wishes! Alpinu (talk) 19:01, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yws but we include them for completeness sake. The notes at the bottom explain this. Jmj713 (talk) 19:54, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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