Talk:List of deaths on eight-thousanders

List and sources
Why is Karsang Namgyal Sherpa considered to have died of ams and not as we know from overdose of alcohol at Base Camp as we all know it and how it is also reported by sources like alan arnatte (also source for chinese climbers dead)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.107.9 (talk) 21:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

This list is not at all complete, nor does it provide any sources. Excluding the current season, there have been 203 and 64 deaths on Everest and K2 respectively. Viewfinder 08:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, it doesn't list any sources. I am just starting this page and I am using a variety of Web sources, but I haven't yet had time to fill them in.  Feel free to help!  Greg Kuperberg 09:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I cannot really help as I am not an authority on this subject, and the main source that I am aware of is copyrighted. Please state your sources immediately, and stop expanding this article further until you have done so. If you do not do this, we cannot verify that your information is correct and copyright clean. Viewfinder 16:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I added some sources for the old entries and I will add sources for my own new entries. But it's not true that you can't help.  I am not an authority either.  All you have to do to help is to Google the names on the page, say together with the year and the name of the mountain.  That would be more constructive than just making demands.  Greg Kuperberg 16:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Greg, thanks for starting this list, I think it will become a very useful page. Viewfinder, you are correct that sources are crucial, but I do think your tone was somewhat peremptory. I'll see if I have any time to contribute to this list myself. -- Spireguy 20:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to censure this list and I am sorry if I gave that impression. Infact, if it were all up to me the information would all be in the public domain. But it is not. This sort of thing should not be added to wikipedia without sources. If the climber has a wikipedia bio, and the information is in that bio, then a wikilink is adequate, but otherwise names should not be added to the page unless the source of the name is also added on the page at the same time, or the source is already listed as a general source in a reference section. Viewfinder 21:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure that the copying of names off Everest fatalities and Everest fatalities is OK? I may be wrong, but I am inclined to doubt it. Viewfinder 22:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If I copied a substantial part of the page from those two links, then I agree that it would be dubious with regard to copyright. But that isn't what I did.  In fact, I only found those pages after many rounds of searches.  Then I considered how those pages could be used defensibly.  It seems to me that if you see a name on one of those lists, but then find and cite independent verification, then that has to be legitimate.  Otherwise simply reading the copyrighted list would forever "taint" your work and prevent you from helping Wikipedia.


 * In fact, compiled lists are a well-known problem area in copyright law. The rules don't completely make sense, and probably they can't.  Whoever made these two external list web pages probably wasn't nearly as careful about copyright as I am being.  I would not be surprised if they were lifted from the Himalayan Database, edited by Elizabeth Hawley.  We have to be free to duplicate her work, line by line, from online news sources; otherwise, again, the mere existence of her list would prevent us from making a good page.  But it may be possible to get data from her with explicit approval; and it could save a lot of time.  Greg Kuperberg 23:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Also: I understand the concern about wholesale plagiariasm in Wikipedia.  It happens.  However, there are reasons to trust me that I didn't plagiarize:  I'm not anonymous, and I have added a lot of citations already.  In this case, I don't see what's so terrible about back-filling citations.  Most of the initial data came from Wikipedia pages that don't have citations themselves, you know.  Greg Kuperberg 23:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, if noone else objects then neither will I. But you should ensure that you cite the independent verification, and add it at the same time as the name. Viewfinder 23:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * We will never do away with concerns about copyright infringement on Wikipedia. If we want to be extremely anal, we would have to delete upwards of three quarters of the articles in Wikipedia.  I have absolutely no problem with how this page is coming together. QuinnHK 04:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Fake entry
I think, the "Laura Newman" entry in the list of Everest deaths is a fake, since searching for the name and "Everest" in Google lists nothing. The same IP added "Andy Lau" (a chinese pop artist) a few hours earlier, which was reverted later. --87.177.252.245 (talk) 00:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Notable entries only please
http://www.everestsummiteersassociation.org/listofdeadoneverst.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.252.154 (talk) 02:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Longstanding WP practices (spelled out at WP:BIO, WP:MOSLIST and numerous other places) limit list entries to notable entries only; accordingly I am going to begin the process of removing the non-notable names from the list.

Anyone considering adding a person to this list should keep in mind the following from the Lists (stand-alone lists) guideline:

"Ideally each entry on the list should have a Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future."

To test the reasonableness of your expectations, you may want to create the article on the person first and then add them to this list. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a draconian reading of the Wikipedia notability policy. Only a few hundred people have died climbing the eight-thousanders, and they are all notable precisely for that reason. Every time that someone dies on Mount Everest or the others, it's an interesting story. You have wiped out half of the interest in this page in order to adhere to the letter more than the spirit of the rules. Greg Kuperberg 00:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Since we disagree, would you like me to get broader input to our issue on the talk page for WP:BIO? UnitedStatesian 04:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Greg that removing the entries is too strict a reading of the guideline. Compare, for example, the List of minor characters in Dilbert (mentioned at Lists (stand-alone lists)). How are those more notable than the people who died on Eight-thousanders? As to each individual's notability, almost every fatality on these peaks is noted in at least the American Alpine Journal, and almost always in other climbing journals and other sources. Equally important, the list of those who died on each peak is relevant information about that peak; it just happens to be collected here as well for convenience. I really think that this is a list where completeness (to the extent possible) is more reasonable than pruning for maximum notability.


 * I would be interested to hear other input from WP:BIO. -- Spireguy (talk) 19:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * We still need to come to a consensus on this issue. (I note that UnitedStatesian recently edited again on the basis of having only notable entries.) Here's a proposal: instead of just a bare list, perhaps what is needed is an article on "Deaths on eight-thousanders", with some overview and analysis, and (hopefully, eventually) complete lists. In that context, a complete list for each peak would be useful, e.g. one could perhaps look at the list for a certain peak and see if anyone from a particular country had died on that peak. Comments? -- Spireguy (talk) 14:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * My big issue is with verifiablity, a Wikipedia policy. There are sources on this page for the Everest deaths.  If someone adds a blue link in one of the other mountains, I can go to the article and presumably get the source of their death.  But a red link, with no sources?  If someone adds Joe Mountaineer, and the link is unsourced and red?  How can I know where that person died, that that person died, or that they even existed?  This verifiablity issue is why I started an essay encouraging editors to Write the Article First. Comments welcome, here or there. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. I think I read SG's comment as also suggesting expanding the information for each person on this list, like adding their nationality; I agree with any such expansion/ improvement; a sortable table would be a good method for soing so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a valid concern, but in the end, your drastic deletions caused the problem that they were intended to prevent. I had carefully compiled outside sources for most of the names on the list that were removed, and the names were not red-linked because they were not linked at all.  I will put them back today.  Greg Kuperberg (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But there is no consensus for your edits either, reading all the non-notable names; doing so is directly contrary to the WP:MOSLIST guideline. I think we need to get broader consensus, either at RfC, or through an AfD discussion. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Seeking a broader consensus with an RfC is fine. But in the meantime, please don't delete content that other people find both interesting and encyclopedic.  Let me add that it took real work to compile this information.  Our argument is that these people are notable as a group precisely because they died climbing the eight-thousanders.  Many students of mountain-climbing see it the same way.  Your interpretation of the guidelines seems to be first, that they are actually strict rules rather than common-sense guidelines; and second, that the deaths on the eight-thousanders are a trivia list that would stretch out to the horizon without a cutoff.  Neither of these is the case.
 * For the same reason, invoking AfD discussion for this page is way too aggressive. Again, people think that the content is notable.  The page has unique content that was published many times in encyclopedic form before Wikipedia even existed.  Following your reasoning, you would have to delete half of the pages for Olympic Medalists.  Greg Kuperberg (talk) 18:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to add another comment to UnitedStatesian. I see that your page describes you as a "deletionist". I totally understand that philosophy and in principle I also agree with it. But the right way to be a deletionist is to prioritize. It isn't reasonable to just target pages at random that might be breaking the rules; you should instead go after the worst offenders. The long pages special page is rife with them. If you want to sack the List of Statutory Instruments of the United Kingdom, 1996, then I'll applaud you. That really is a ridiculous laundry list that can't possibly be useful to readers. In fact, it's only a tiny fraction of the real list, since it's only for one year. That content clearly belongs in a special-purpose database and not in Wikipedia.

You should consider the effect on both readers and editors if you throw the book at misdemeanors and ignore felonies in your effort to clean up Wikipedia. Greg Kuperberg (talk) 18:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There are several differences between this page and the ones you cite. First, no matter how popular in the mountaineering community, eight-thousand meters is an arbitrary number (see WP:BIGNUMBER, and to your comment about putting in a lot of work, I definitely appreciate it, but see WP:EFFORT). Olympic Medalists are not arbitrary; you either won one or you didn't.  Second, AfD after AfD has determined that how someone died does NOT make them notable.  Third, I agree that List of Statutory Instruments of the United Kingdom, 1996 is an abomination, but it has already gone through 2 AfDs and survivied, so I accept community consensus and focus my attention elsewhere - I didn't think there were felonies and midemeanors on WP.  All of this said, I am glad you agree that a broader consensus has desireable, and have not made (and will not make) any edits here before getting it: are you willing to make the same commitment to wait?  I wish you hadn't simply let 3 months pass and then pretended my concern had magically disappeared.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, 8000 meters is anything but an arbitrary cut-off. It may once have been arbitrary, but the 8000-meter peaks have long been recognized by the mountain-climbing community as a special class.  There are books and web sites devoted specifically to these 14 peaks.  It is the Olympics of extreme mountain-climbing; that is what the community picked.


 * Second, I'm not saying that the fashion in which these people died makes them notable. What I'm saying is that these deaths are all notable parts of the history of these important mountains.  Moreover, many of the people listed here already do have Wikipedia pages and are notable in their own right.  It is then both intellectually incomplete and insensitive to just list them and not the people who died with them.  Is Wikipedia supposed to list Francys Arsentiev, because she's "famous", but not her husband Sergei who died looking for her?  In context, it is this cutoff between "famous" and "not famous" that is arbitrary, and not the cutoff at 8000 meters.  After all, many of the other people on this list were accomplished climbers and they are close to getting their own pages.


 * Third, these points beg the question of who exactly is "the community". There is the community of Wikipedia admins and high-activity editors, and there is the community of readers interested in a specific topic such as mountain-climbing.  The former is supposed to consider the interests of the latter.  You shouldn't just play an inside game of RfCs and AfDs.


 * On that note I have trouble believing that all of the inane pages on the long pages list, from poker odds to Japanese train stations, have survived AfD discussions. I just gave one example out of many before.  Even for those have been defended from AfDs, many of these cases that are, as you say, abominations, and they undercut the credibility of Wikipedia insiders as a group.  They go against the idea of reading guidelines as gospel.


 * Finally, the reason that I lost patience and started editing the page again is: (1) After you deleted content and promised a discussion, nobody followed up; (2) someone else came to support my original position; and (3) you said that the real concern was to avoid undocumented redlinks, which meant that the deletion caused the problem that it was intended to solve.


 * I would be happy to wait for a discussion, as long as there actually is one and as long as it isn't a game of "delete first and ask questions later". Greg Kuperberg (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I see both points of view here as having merit, but I come down more on the side of keeping the entries. As I suggested above, I think of this page as the seed for a more thorough discussion of the topic of climbing deaths on 8000 meter peaks. To be accurate as a record of, say, which peaks have more deaths, it is best that it be complete (or as complete as possible). Certainly, it should be carefully sourced for verifiability, but evidently Greg is paying attention to that with his recent edits. Also, I agree with Greg that the 8000 meter group is a very commonly accepted special class; in fact most peaks in the 7800-8000 meter range, for example, are almost completely ignored after their first ascent, since they fail to reach the magic number. -- Spireguy (talk) 20:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This is an idiotic article and complete listcruft. I agree that only verified and notable people should be included. Dying in the throes of the self-indulgent act of climbing a hunk of rock is not "notability". Purge the names of the nobodies and leave the Sir Edmunds. Erase everyone else.139.48.25.61 (talk) 14:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Conceptual discussion would be great
I agree that it would be additional useful content to discuss why people die on these mountains. I am not an expert in mountain-climbing itself; I brushed up on these historical records just out of curiosity. In any case one reason that I made the page was as a sober counterpart to the overly dramatic near-death accounts such as "Into Thin Air". A clinical list of names, and a clinical discussion of what goes wrong, might teach people something about not rushing in where angels fear to tread. (Some of the dramatic stories somehow undermine the message and teach the opposite.) Greg Kuperberg (talk) 21:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Has been added to WP:3O
Figure that was a good first step prior to RfC. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, I don't mind, but wouldn't that in this case be a fourth opinion? Greg Kuperberg (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Assume your tongue is firmly in cheek. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. "Third opinion is a means to request an outside opinion in a dispute between two editors."  But in this discussion, we already have Spireguy.  Greg Kuperberg (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I removed it from WP:3O, and will add it to RfC when I have a chance. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm still not against a discussion, but with the major news that 11 people died on K2, it makes little sense to suspend edits entirely this week. Greg Kuperberg (talk) 17:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Lists are not copyrightable
It's my understanding that lists, as lists, are not copyrightable, based on the idea that information is free, but the way information is arranged can be privately owned. If I list the chemical elements, from lightest to heaviest, I cannot copyright that list. It's only if I give them, for example, cute names, like Holly the Hydrogen atom, Oxy Oxygen, Beryl Beryllium (the sultry wench), and Pluto Plutonium and His Stray Electrons that I could copyright my list. Sincerely, with tongue in cheek, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I suck at this, help?
I came to add Rich Hitch to the list but it's already been done without a source. I don't know how to add sources so many someone else can do it? Here is the entry at everest news http://www.everestnews.com/stories2011/deathoneverest05042011.htm and here is an article about him in a local newspaper http://www.news10.net/news/article/136307/29/Roseville-mountain-climber-dies-on-Mt-Everest. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.190.202 (talk) 11:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. The way I do inline citations is I click to position the cursor marker directly behind what I want to cite. Then I click on below the edit window. Copy/paste the citation data in between the so it looks like this:


 * 1 May 2011 - Rick Hitch


 * Hit save and Wikipedia takes care of the rest. It automatically displays a footnote and adds your citation to the section with the reflist, assuming there already is one. Hope this helps. Racerx11 (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha, classic. I forgot how to show just the text code without it actually functioning. Im trying to help, but I guess I suck too. Anyway, you can see how this is done in the edit window. That's how I learned. I looked aat the edit window where someone else already did what I wanted to do and copied that. Racerx11 (talk) 12:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Lets try this again. The way I do inline citations is I click to position the cursor marker directly behind what I want to cite. Then I click on &lt;ref> &lt;/ref> below the edit window. Copy/paste the citation data in between the so it looks like this:
 * 1 May 2011 - Rick Hitch &lt;ref> http://www.everestnews.com/stories2011/deathoneverest05042011.htm &lt;/ref>
 * Hit save and Wikipedia takes care of the rest. It automatically displays a footnote and adds your citation to the section with the {reflist}, assuming there already is one. Hope this helps and not completely confusing. Racerx11 (talk) 13:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Underconstruction
FYI, I've added the template so other visiting editors are aware of the fact this page is being worked upon. I'll do my best to add some of the knowledge taht I have on K2 later on. Qwrk (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've posted a kind thank you note and a request on User talk:81.82.149.236‎. Though I highly appreciate the effort of the contributions I must make one remark.  Many references appear to point to adventurestats and I'd like to add a little to your knowledge.  The original basis of adventurestats is the work of Eberhard Jurgalski and after relations turned a bit sour he decided to break free and stop the cooperation.  After that split the data of adventurestats became (more) unreliable (sorry to say so) and the degree of reliability of 8000ers.com (Eberhard's site) has proved to be far more consistent and trustworthy.  Hence my preference for data stemming from the 8000ers.com PDF's.
 * Another thing while we're at it; Flags... I know that when we do take to the other mountains we's going to have issues with nationalities / flags to be used.  Some climbers (IMHO) really need a Yugoslav flag behind their name, dating from before the break up to the federation.  Like the German climbers that fell on Nanga in the 30's should have a Nazi flag, as that was their state of origin.
 * Just a thought... Qwrk (talk) 09:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I second that. Thanks to the IP who put in the effort, it is appreciated. I don't think having a Nazi / Yugoslav flag is a slur on the climbers reputations either. A similar thing can be said about the Irish. That's the country they came from at the time, which should be reflected in the data.Bezza84 (talk) 12:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Tried contacting that Belgian IP-editor, actually there were 2 of them, but I suspect it's one and the same person. As yet to no avail, so I took out the remark again.
 * As for references - and me not being a programmer - I'm unsure how to combine all the references in the Lhotse section that all point to the Lhotse fatalities PDF on 8000ers.com, so any hint is welcome. (Else I will look into it when I do find time.)  Another issue with regards to Lhotse is the fatalities listed for Lhotse South.  Shall I merge them, you reckon'?  Similar cases apply to Kangchenjunga as well as there are fatalities that just came out to climb Yalung Kang.  Qwrk (talk) 08:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No drama's. The easiest way is to use the cite tool within the editor window. If you look up the top, you'll see tabs saying 'advanced', 'special characters', 'help', and 'cite'. Click on cite, then on the templates drop menu click 'cite web'. You insert as much data as you can, and assign the reference a name. When referencing this entry in future, you type in < ref name="name of the reference">< / ref>. Try to keep the names short and meaningful. I've done the K2 table as an example, renaming the reference to 8000k2. Hope that helps. Bezza84 (talk) 14:18, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Forgot to add, yeah - i'd be inclined to put them all in the same category. Still the same mountain, just a different route. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bezza84 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Bezza84, I'm amazed at what speed you appear to be doing this. Gob smacked might be a more appropriate term ;-)  The article starts off with a note stating This is a list of some of the notable mountain climbers who have perished on these mountains., but IMHO transferring data from the PDF's and other sources will result in a list that more or less lists all climbers that have perished.  Do we alter the accompanying note or do we weed out those not fitting the definition of notability, and if so, what's the definition for that anyway? Qwrk (talk) 10:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, cheers. I've developed a few tricks to help me code quickly. A few other editors had the discussion about notability shortly after the article's creation. I personally believe that every single person who makes the effort to climb one of these mountains, and pays the ultimate price in the process, is notable. I thought about inserting a column to indicate whether or not the individual successfully submitted or not, but I felt that this detracted from the loss of the climber (as if by failing to summit, their loss was not as noteworthy). In my opinion, the introduction needs to be re-worded. Bezza84 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Another thing, part 1; there appears to be a problem with "reference C" (number 92). I've had a look at it but don't see what's wrong with its code.
 * I'll have a look at it a bit later on. The original reference might have been deleted accidentally... Bezza84 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Another thing, part 2; how are we going to sync activities? How do we make sure that all mountains and all climbers are entered at the correct place and correct date?  Is there a way to add a check box where one can tick when one has entered all relevant data available?
 * I don't think there is a check-box function. I think the best way to approach it will be through observing the references. No reference, or dependance upon a singular widely referenced source, suggests that the data might not be reliable. Bezza84 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Another thing, part 3; is it possible to move the pictures up a wee bit so the column width increases? shift it to the left, maybe?
 * I believe that the image boxes and column widths automatically adjust. I intend to include a brief overview of each tragedy that has befallen the mountain, which will push the table down beneath the image anyway. Bezza84 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Qwrk (talk) 11:30, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Made a few corrections for Yugoslavia and  Czechoslovakia but I'm in doubt whether to continue.  Would one also correct the Khazaks of the early 90's / late 80's to fit the USSR flag?  And in my earlier comment I changed "shit" to "shift" which, of course, was a typo ;-) Qwrk (talk) 08:39, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * One idea might be to take out the template once you have finished entering all names from the PDF's or other sources?Qwrk (talk) 08:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

UK flags
The United Kingdom flags within the tables should really reflect the states, and not the Kingdom. The UK is like the European Union - no one is born in the UK, they are born in England, Wales, Scotland or Ireland (which each have their respective flags). Refer to this image for more clarification: Bezza84 (talk) 14:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, people born in England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland are british citizens, therefore the UK-flag should be okay. I've never heard of a scotish passport for example. And thats what I've to critize: why do spanish mountaineers have the spanish flag and the flag of their region?
 * It seemed counter-intuitive to me at first, but the Olympics classifies them as UK citizens as well so I concede the point. I've changed the flags in the list to reflect this. Bezza84 (talk) 07:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

And because we are on the subject: Hermann Schaller (died 9th August 1931, Kangchenjunga) is represented with a Nazi German flag. But Nazi Germany didnt existed until 30th January 1933. So he was propably citizen of the Weimar republic. 91.64.105.20 (talk) 00:43, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You're right. I'll look into it later on.  For an informative clip on The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained in 5 Minutes check this.  Qwrk (talk) 05:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't seem to find the correct code for the Weimar flag, so any help is appreciated. Similar issues arise with three Khazak nationals on Manaslu (1990); what to do with these? Qwrk (talk) 06:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The flag of the Weimar republic looks pretty much like the actual german one, but with a 3:2 ratio instead of 5:3. Weimar Republic 91.64.105.20 (talk) 14:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that edit. Highly appreciated!
 * And a question on top of that, while we're at it; is there a more appropriate term for the era that now has the flags listed as "Nazi Germany"? Especially on Nanga Parbat I do have a stack of books in which this flag is displayed without any inhibition, but I'd be all for it were we to change it in any other applicable term.  Qwrk (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

From 1871 to 1945 the official name of Germany was "Deutsches Reich" (German Reich). From 1943 to 1945 it called itself "Großdeutsches Reich" (Greater German Reich), but that was never officially proclaimed. There were three periods, the  German Empire from 1871-1918, the  Weimar Republic(1918-1933) and the  Nazi Germany  (1933-1945), but I doubt these were ever names in the sense of the international law. 91.64.105.20 (talk) 02:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Age?
I can find absolutely no citation that Shailendra Kumar Upadhyaya died of "Age" on Everest this year. I found indications that he died from altitude sickness aggravated by high blood pressure. Yes, he was 82 years old, but how do we get that he died of "Age" as a result? -Etoile ✩ (talk) 02:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The following link lists altitude sickness as cause of death. Feel free to edit this entry.  Qwrk (talk) 08:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Shall we include death on the way to BC?
I have just made some corrections and additions on the list, including two deaths during the 1921 Everest expedition. These two deaths happened on the way to BC. The Himalayan Database include them in its list of fatalities, while 8000ers.com doesn't.

Both options can be justified, it would just be good to have a consistent policy whether deaths during the approach to BC should be included or not. Any help appreciated.--Pseudois (talk) 14:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Good question, thanks for that. I'm not sure why Eberhard [8000ers.com] doesn't list these so I'd have to go and check with him. It may be that HimDat does mention these as they'd be compiling stories from the literature they have access to. Will be back about this, and thanks again. Qwrk (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Update, as Eberhard is quick in replying;
 * "In my list only those who die at base camp level, and higher up, of the mountain they intended climbing, and not those who die on the march in or march back, unless their death is a result from injuries sustained on the mountain (the base camp and above)! Kellas, for example, died about 100 km from Everest, so why should he be considered a victim of Everest?"
 * My suspicion is that Ms. Liz and Richard sum up all those who are listed as expedition members, either in reports or in literature. It's not even 6am right now in Kathmandu, so questioning them should come at another moment in time.
 * I'm inclined to favour Eberhard's approach, as we'd run the risk having to list all those who died whilst preparing for their expedition. Qwrk (talk) 01:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That perfectly fine with me, so let's stick to Eberhard's definition. I have removed my own addition regarding the two Everest deaths in 1921.--Pseudois (talk) 06:35, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Naming convention for South-Korean climbers.
G'day all,

I have an issue with which I could use some help, please.

Whilst doing corrections for a well known climbing magazine the issue was raised on what type of naming convention to use for South-Korean mountaineers. Wikipedia has a style in place which is the opposite of what's in use in mountaineering literature.

- The Himalayan Database [Liz Hawley] is using the "given name - surname" style of writing for the Koreans like it does with all other nationalities. - Eberhard Jurgalski [8000ers.com] has the same method. - Richard Sale; likewise.

A specialist on Korean writing gave us a little lecture about these names, so I'd like to propose changing these names to make them consistent and in line with the western style of notation. Go Mi-Sun (or Go Mi-Yeong?) - would be written as; Mi-Young Go Kim Jae-Soo - would be written as; Jae-Soo Kim Oh Eun-Sun - would be written as; Eun-Sun Oh etc.

Qwrk (talk) 07:36, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Dubious causes of death
"Frostbite" is not really a cause of death, this is a possible confusion with hypothermia, which is. Similarly, "exposure" is this context seems to be used as a synonym for hypothermia. Also, "disappearance" is not a cause of death, uses of "disappearance" could perhaps be changed to "unknown (disappeared)" or something similar so that the same information can be presented without mangling English too badly. Hairhorn (talk) 02:42, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

2013 Nanga Parbat tourist shooting
There seems to be a need to debate whether the victims of this incident should be included on this page. As I see it the argument would revolve around whether deaths at base camp count as climbing the mountain, whether this article is just about climbing deaths or not and whether any such mention is an attempt to use the sport to further political aims and if so whether that should happen, or not. What do you think? Britmax (talk) 07:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * After a month or so with no reply I would assume that everyone is happy with the status quo. Britmax (talk) 08:40, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry that I'm late with this reply; I simply missed this topic.
 * In the statistics of 8000ers.com the general rule of thumb is that all people who perish at or above BC are listed. Even when this is a "new category" of fatalities - and let's hope these are the last to fit this description - the fact that they were already climbing the mountain warrants their inclusion. Hope this helps.
 * Qwrk (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. No problem with not having seen this before, this place is a maze. Britmax (talk) 09:24, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Regarding this recent edit. My understanding is that the intent here is to list all deaths that have occurred while climbing the 14 peaks with summit elevations of 8000 m plus, regardless of the elevation of the fatality itself, with base camp being the cutoff. So we are including any fatality, whether it be from exposure, illness, avalanche, technical malfunction or gun shot, as long as the cause of death occurs at or above the elevation of the given mountain's base camp. Is this correct? -- Racer X11 Talk to me Stalk me  22:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * They were all in the process of climbing the mountain when these shootings occurred, so that's the rationale of including them. I could even go as far as suggesting to include all who died as a result from climbing an 8000er, because an Australian acquaintance - Mick Parker - died in 2009 of pulmonary oedema a couple of days after having returned from Makalu, while he was already back in KTM. Qwrk (talk) 05:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Racer, thanks for framing a question for discussion. I think you understand the problem. I'd agree with the idea that, unfortunately, due to geopolitical realities, mountaineers face risks that might be seen by some as new and unprecedented. Frankly, in more than one historic expedition, there have been stories that might be interpreted as instances in which one or more climbers leave another for dead for little reason other than geopolitical issues.  Or selfish issues of debatable political significance.  Ultimately, the problem for us at WP is the question of whether we want to be digging through conflicting reliable sources for the appropriate article that reliably collects relevant evidence of circumstances and reliably analyzes that evidence to pronounce a cause of death that fits some criteria we might set.  I don't think that would ever work.  Lots of climbers have been left behind at high locations for remarkably dumb and perhaps political reasons. Some of those are left for good reasons that are unfairly seen as political.  Some are refused some necessary assistance, be it first aid, sustenance, water, whatever.  Some have their essential gear taken.  WP should not be culling through "reliable sources" to decide whether that death was attributable to the conduct of others, let alone deciding whether that conduct rises to the level of homicide and therefore might not "count". My thought is that the criteria is whether a climber's death occurred at basecamp or above. Steveozone (talk) 06:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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It does not seem that Nima Tshering Sherpa has died
I'm not certain if this is the place for it, but it seems that a source was used to provide evidence of the death of Nima Tshering Sherpa on Makalu on May 24 2019 with no cause of death noted. However, after doing further research, it seems that a successful GoFundMe was created by Marina Cortes in May/June of 2019 to support Nima Tshering Sherpa with his injuries and his family as he was unable to work. There are photos of Nima Tshering Sherpa collecting the money along with pictures of his recovery. You can find this information by typing in "Nima Tshering Sherpa" AND "gofundme" into google.

The source used in wiki seems to have been published on May 24, 2019 with unconfirmed information.

I believe his name should be removed from this list for the time being and further investigation should be conducted, if possible.

Thank you!

172.116.146.250 (talk) 05:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * hi,
 * due to the update of the himalayan database (see several new topics on the TALK) this seems to be correct. Nima Tshering Sherpa disappeared from the Makalu record, instead the update shows Nima Tenji Sherpa (Makalu-Barun) to have died on 2019, 24 May (same date, but - different person? type-o in the name? different spelling/transcription of the name? I don't know ...). I couldn't figure that one aut explicitely, but pls enjoy the updates I gave below.
 * best wishes, Wolfgang. 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 11:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Technical error:
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Does anyone know what is the cause of this error? Nir007H (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks OK to me (desktop, chrome). How are you viewing the page? NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Death toll on Kangch + secondary summit
† 10	Yalung Kang – Kangtsch

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

YALU	Takao Matsuda	1973 Spr	May 15		Japan	M	31	Y	Y	Fall 8100 m

YALU	Sergio Hugo Saldana Meneses	1980 Spr	May 04		Mexico	M	25	No	Y	Fall 8400 m

YALU	Alfonso Medina Rubio	1980 Spr	May 04		Mexico	M	26	Y		Fall 8400 m

YALU	Borut Bergant	1985 Spr	Apr 22	21:00	Yugoslavia	M	30	No	Y	Fall 8300 m

YALU	Kyo-Sup Jin	1989 Win	Dec 20	16:15	S Korea	M	26	Y	Y	Fall 8500 m

YALU	Ang Dawa Sherpa (Solukhumbu)	1989 Win	Dec 20	16:15	Nepal	M	29	Y	Y	Fall 8500 m

YALU	Tchiring Chumbi (Tchiring Thebe) Sherpa (Nupri (Gorkha), Gandaki Zone)	1989 Win	Dec 20	16:15	Nepal	M	36	Y	Y	Fall 8500 m

YALU	Chhanda Gayen	2014 Spr	May 20	13:30	India	F	34	Y		Fall 8200 m

YALU	Dawa Wangchu Sherpa (Tamku-5, Makalu-Barun)	2014 Spr	May 20	13:30	Nepal	M	28	Y		Fall 8200 m

YALU	Temba Sherpa	2014 Spr	May 20	13:30	Nepal	M	24	Y		Fall 8200 m

† 52	Kangtsch

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

KANG	Unknown	1905 Sum	Dec 31		Nepal/India? M		No		Fall 6100 m KANG	Unknown	1905 Sum	Sep 01		Nepal/India? M		No		Fall 6300 m KANG	Unknown	1905 Sum	Sep 01		Nepal/India? M		No		Fall 6300 m KANG	Alexis A. Pache	1905 Sum	Sep 01		Switzerland	M		No		Fall 6300 m KANG	Unknown	1905 Sum	Sep 01		Nepal/India? M		No		Fall 6300 m KANG	Edgar Francis Farmer	1929 Spr	May 27		USA	M		No		Disappearance 6000 m KANG	Chettan Sherpa	1930 Spr	May 08		Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6000 m KANG	Babu Lall 	1931 Sum	Dec 31		Nepal	M		No		Illness/non-AMS 4600 m KANG	Lobsang 	1931 Sum	Dec 31		Nepal	M		No		Illness/non-AMS 0 m KANG	Pasang Sherpa	1931 Sum	Aug 09	17:00	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6100 m KANG	Hermann (Xaverl) Schaller	1931 Sum	Aug 09	17:00	Germany	M	25	No		Avalanche 6100 m KANG	Pemi Dorje Sherpa	1955 Spr	May 26		Nepal	M		No		Illness/non-AMS 5485 m KANG	Sukhvinder Singh	1977 Spr	Apr 08	11:00	India	M	31	No		Fall 5900 m KANG	Jean-Jacques Ricouard	1981 Aut	Oct 15	15:30	France	M	28	No	Y	Fall 8000 m KANG	Chris Howard Chandler	1984 Win	Jan 15	20:00	USA	M	36	No		AMS 7620 m KANG	Andrzej (Leszek) Czok	1985 Win	Jan 11	22:00	Poland	M	37	No		AMS 7250 m KANG	Phu Dorjee Sherpa	1987 Spr	May 25		India	M	37	No	Y	Fall 8500 m KANG	Choten Tsering 	1987 Spr	May 25		India	M		No	Y	Fall 8500 m KANG	Phupu Bhotia	1987 Spr	May 25		India	M		No	Y	Fall 8500 m KANG	Chander Singh	1987 Spr	May 31	13:30	India	M		No	Y	Fall 8500 m KANG	Dil Bahadur Rai	1987 Win	Dec 10		Nepal	M	28	No		AMS 5300 m KANG	Sung-Ho Lee	1987 Win	Dec 11		S Korea	M	35	No		Illness/non-AMS 1900 m KANG	Sanjay Borole	1988 Spr	May 17	19:30	India	M	27	No		Exhaustion 6300 m KANG	Marija Frantar	1991 Spr	May 03	20:00	Yugoslavia	F	35	Y		Fall 8000 m KANG	Joze Rozman	1991 Spr	May 03	20:00	Yugoslavia	M	36	Y		Fall 8000 m KANG	Pasang Sherpa	1991 Spr	May 16	14:10	India	M	26	Y		Fall 8400 m KANG	Ang Dorje Sherpa	1992 Spr	Apr 25	23:00	Nepal	M		Y		Other 6600 m KANG	Lhakpa Nuru Sherpa	1992 Spr	Apr 25	23:00	Nepal	M		Y		Other 6600 m KANG	Wanda Rutkiewicz	1992 Spr	May 12		Poland	F	49	No		Disappearance 8250 m KANG	Ekaterina Ivanova	1994 Aut	Oct 09		Russia	F	32	No		Avalanche 6700 m KANG	Sergei Jvirbiva	1994 Aut	Oct 09		Belarus	M	34	No		Avalanche 6700 m KANG	Iordanka Ivanova Dimitrova	1994 Aut	Oct 23	11:30	Bulgaria	F	41	No		Avalanche 8300 m KANG	Sukaraj Limbu	1995 Aut	Dec 31		Nepal	M		No		AMS 0 m KANG	Pierre Alain Royer	1995 Aut	Oct 05		France	M	41	No		Fall 8500 m KANG	Riku Sherpa (Makalu-Barun)	1995 Aut	Oct 06	09:30	Nepal	M	33	No		Fall 8250 m KANG	Benoit Chamoux	1995 Aut	Oct 06	19:00	France	M	34	No		Fall 8350 m KANG	Atsushi Shiina	1998 Spr	May 16	03:00	Japan	M	27	No	Y	AMS 8200 m KANG	Kenzo Akasaka	1998 Spr	May 16	09:30	Japan	M	30	Y	Y	Fall 8000 m KANG	Do-Kyu Han	1999 Aut	Sep 14	10:30	S Korea	M	34	No		Avalanche 6600 m KANG	Myeong-Kun Hyun	1999 Aut	Sep 14	10:30	S Korea	M	31	No		Avalanche 6600 m KANG	Ang Dawa (Dawa) Tamang (Lapcha, Gorakhani, Solukhumbu)	2000 Spr	Apr 23	10:00	Nepal	M	27	No		Falling Rock/Ice 6900 m KANG	Christopher Hugh (Chris) Grasswick	2002 Spr	May 24	17:50	Canada	M	39	No	Y	Fall 8400 m KANG	Inigo De Pineda Blanc	2007 Spr	May 24	10:00	Spain	M	38	No		Fall 8200 m KANG	Zsolt Eross	2013 Spr	May 20		Hungary	M	45	No	Y	Exhaustion 8300 m KANG	Peter Kiss	2013 Spr	May 20		Hungary	M	26	No	Y	Fall 8200 m KANG	Bibas Gurung (Hatiya-7, Makalu-Barun)	2013 Spr	May 20		Nepal	M	24	No	Y	Fall 8300 m KANG	Phu Dorchi Sherpa (Walung, Makalu-9, Makalu-Barun)	2013 Spr	May 20		Nepal	M	23	Y	Y	Fall 8000 m KANG	Nam-Soo Park	2013 Spr	May 20		S Korea	M	46	Y	Y	Fall 7600 m KANG	Rodrigo Francisco Vivanco Figueroa	2019 Spr	May 15	18:00	Chile	M	49	No	Y	Disappearance 8586 m KANG	Biplab Baidya	2019 Spr	May 16		India	M	48	Y	Y	Exposure/Frostbite 8450 m KANG	Kuntal Kanrar	2019 Spr	May 16		India	M	46	Y		Exposure/Frostbite 8300 m KANG	Narayanan Iyer	2022 Spr	May 05		India	M	52	Y		AMS 8200 m

source: https://www.himalayandatabase.com/Online/peakdead.html

hope this helps! 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0

(talk) 09:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

death toll on Lhotse + secondary summit
† 10	Lhotse II – Shar

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

LSHR	Pierre Favez	1981 Aut	Oct 16		Switzerland	M	38	Y		Fall 7100 m

LSHR	Philippe Petten	1981 Aut	Oct 16		Switzerland	M	23	Y		Fall 7100 m

LSHR	Josef Fauchere	1981 Aut	Oct 25	11:30	Switzerland	M	35	No		Fall 4700 m

LSHR	Pedro Alonso Lopez	1986 Aut	Oct 30	17:00	Spain	M	30	No		Fall 7390 m

LSHR	Sergio Reinaldo Escalera Fernandez	1987 Aut	Sep 27		Spain	M	33	No		Avalanche 7450 m

LSHR	Antonio Quinones Torres	1987 Aut	Sep 27		Spain	M	26	No		Avalanche 7450 m

LSHR	Francisco Porras Cerda	1987 Aut	Sep 27		Spain	M	30	No		Avalanche 7450 m

LSHR	Antoni Sors Ferrer	1987 Aut	Sep 27		Spain	M	37	No		Avalanche 7450 m

LSHR	Sun-Dug Hwang	2003 Aut	Oct 05		S Korea	M	26	Y		Avalanche 8250 m

LSHR	Joo-Hoon Park	2003 Aut	Oct 05		S Korea	M	34	Y		Avalanche 8250 m

† 22	Lhotse

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

LHOT	Stanislaw Latallo	1974 Aut	Dec 17	14:00	Poland	M		No		Exhaustion 7000 m

LHOT	Max Lutz	1977 Spr	May 12		W Germany	M	25	Y	Y	Fall 8000 m

LHOT	Nicolas Jaeger	1980 Spr	Apr 26		France	M	33	No		Disappearance 8000 m

LHOT	Pasang Nima Sherpa (Phortse, Khumbu)	1980 Spr	May 17	20:50	Nepal	M		Y		Avalanche 7500 m

LHOT	Rafal Cholda	1985 Aut	Oct 25		Poland	M	28	No		Fall 8000 m

LHOT	Czeslaw Jakiel	1987 Aut	Sep 15	06:30	Poland	M	38	No		Avalanche 6200 m

LHOT	Jerzy Kukuczka	1989 Aut	Oct 24	09:00	Poland	M	41	No		Fall 8350 m

LHOT	Vladimir Bachkirov	1997 Spr	May 27		Russia	M	45	No	Y	AMS 7900 m

LHOT	Vladimir Bondarev	2000 Aut	Sep 17		Russia	M	34	No		Avalanche 6500 m

LHOT	Pavel Kalny	2006 Spr	May 09		Czechia	M	38	Y		Fall 7800 m

LHOT	Pemba Doma Thaktopa Sherpa (Namche Bazar, Khumbu)	2007 Spr	May 21	13:30	Nepal	F	36	Y	Y	Fall 8400 m

LHOT	Sergei Samoilov	2009 Spr	May 25		Kazakhstan	M	51	No		Fall 7600 m

LHOT	Sergei Duganov	2010 Spr	May 07	08:00	Russia	M	43	No		AMS 7800 m

LHOT	Milan Sedlacek	2012 Spr	May 19		Czechia	M	50	No	Y	Exposure/Frostbite 8450 m

LHOT	Temba Sherpa (Sedua, Makalu-Barun)	2012 Aut	Oct 16		Nepal	M	39	Y		Fall 7900 m

LHOT	Hsiao-Shih Lee	2013 Spr	May 20	04:00	Taiwan	M	57	Y	Y	AMS 7800 m

LHOT	Asman Tamang (Sotang-9, Solukbumbu)	2014 Spr	Apr 18	06:45	Nepal	M	26	No		Avalanche 5800 m

LHOT	Zhen-Fang Ge	2015 Spr	Apr 25	11:55	China	M	43	No		Avalanche 5350 m

LHOT	Ang Phurba Sherpa (Phurte, Khumbu)	2016 Spr	May 19	12:00	Nepal	M	25	Y		Fall 8500 m

LHOT	Rustem Amirov	2018 Spr	May 16	22:45	Russia	M	40	No		AMS 7000 m

LHOT	Ivan Yuriev Tomov	2019 Spr	May 17	13:30	Bulgaria	M	35	Y	Y	AMS 7780 m

LHOT	Khudam Bir Tamang (Jaleshwori-8, Khotang)	2022 Spr	May 08		Nepal	M	33	No		Avalanche 6100 m

source: https://www.himalayandatabase.com/Online/peakdead.html

hope you find this useful. 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Death toll on Makalu + secondary summit as of 2022
† 13	Makalu II Kangchungtse (!)

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

MAK2	Kunio Takagi	1971 Aut	Oct 20		Japan	M		No		AMS 7300 m

MAK2	Ewout Reynierse	1974 Aut	Oct 15		Netherlands	M	33	No		Fall 7000 m

MAK2	Unknown	1976 Aut	Sep 28		Nepal	M		No		Unknown 5040 m

MAK2	Frank Alexander Merjenberg	1985 Aut	Oct 16		Netherlands	M	30	No	Y	Other 5500 m

MAK2	Walter Roos	1985 Aut	Oct 16		Netherlands	M	39	No		Other 5500 m

MAK2	Pierre Demolombe	1985 Aut	Nov 02		France	M	47	No		Exposure/Frostbite 7450 m

MAK2	Marcel Margaine	1985 Aut	Nov 02		France	M	26	No		Exposure/Frostbite 7100 m

MAK2	Edwin Terrell	1986 Spr	Apr 13	08:45	USA	M	31	No		AMS 5150 m

MAK2	Jacques Saint-Martin	1987 Aut	Oct 19		France	M	19	No		Exhaustion 3700 m

MAK2	Dog Bahadur Bista	1987 Aut	Oct 19		Nepal	M		No		Exhaustion 3700 m

MAK2	Kamal Bahadur Bista	1987 Aut	Oct 19		Nepal	M		No		Exhaustion 3700 m

MAK2	Mark Miller	1992 Aut	Sep 28	14:30	UK	M	31	No		Other 2225 m

MAK2	Victor Radvils	1992 Aut	Sep 28	14:30	UK	M		No		Other 2225 m

† 48	Makalu

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

MAKA	Dilli Bahadur Verma	1954 Aut	Dec 31		Nepal	M		No		Illness/non-AMS 4700 m MAKA	Jan Kounicky	1973 Spr	May 21	10:00	Czechoslovakia	M	33	Y		Fall 8010 m MAKA	Karel Schubert	1976 Spr	May 24		Czechoslovakia	M	34	Y	Y	Exposure/Frostbite 7800 m MAKA	Andrzej Mlynarczyk	1978 Aut	Oct 06	04:00	Poland	M	30	No		Avalanche 4850 m MAKA	Tadeusz Szulc	1982 Aut	Sep 26		Poland	M	47	No		Illness/non-AMS 6800 m MAKA	Unknown	1983 Spr	Dec 31		Nepal	M		No		Unknown MAKA	Matthew William (Bill) Denz	1983 Aut	Oct 03	14:00	New Zealand	M	32	No		Avalanche 6500 m MAKA	Mark Peter Moorhead	1983 Aut	Oct 15	10:45	Australia	M	23	No		Fall 6900 m MAKA	Ram Bahadur Shrestha	1984 Aut	Sep 13		Nepal	M		No		AMS 5350 m MAKA	Kancha Gurung	1986 Aut	Dec 31		Nepal	M		No		AMS 4500 m MAKA	Marcel Ruedi	1986 Aut	Sep 25		Switzerland	M	47	No	Y	AMS 8100 m MAKA	Ryszard Kolakowski	1988 Aut	Oct 14	20:30	Poland	M	33	No	Y	Fall 8400 m MAKA	Manu Badiola Otegi	1991 Aut	Oct 02	12:30	Spain	M	37	No	Y	Fall 8300 m MAKA	Takumi Ishizaka	1991 Aut	Oct 08		Japan	M	26	Y	Y	Exposure/Frostbite 7900 m MAKA	David Victor Hume	1995 Spr	May 08	20:00	Australia	M	33	No	Y	Fall 8300 m MAKA	Anatoli Chlekht	1996 Spr	May 14	17:30	Russia	M	37	No		Fall 7900 m MAKA	Salavat Khabibulin	1997 Spr	May 21		Russia	M	35	No		Exhaustion 8200 m MAKA	Igor Bougatshevski	1997 Spr	May 24		Russia	M	35	Y	Y	Falling Rock/Ice 6800 m MAKA	Per Lyhne	1997 Aut	Oct 12		Denmark	M	31	No		Illness/non-AMS 6100 m MAKA	Michael Knakkergaard-Jørgensen	1999 Spr	Apr 30	16:00	Denmark	M	31	No	Y	Fall 8000 m MAKA	Sange Pemba Sherpa (Phortse, Khumbu)	1999 Aut	Oct 11	14:30	Nepal	M	26	No		Fall 7200 m MAKA	Bernd Mehnert	2000 Spr	May 16	10:00	Germany	M	33	No	Y	AMS 7700 m MAKA	Erich Resch	2001 Spr	May 14		Austria	M	39	No		Fall 8400 m MAKA	Raymond David Caughron	2002 Spr	Apr 25		USA	M	58	No		Exposure/Frostbite 7200 m MAKA	Nima Dorje Tamang (Pirangding, Kerung, Solukhumbu)	2002 Spr	May 31		Nepal	M		No		Other MAKA	Sarki Sherpa	2002 Spr	May 31		Nepal	M		No		Other MAKA	Ongchhu Sherpa (Lakhu, Waku, Solukhumbu)	2002 Spr	May 31		Nepal	M	33	No		Other MAKA	Prakash Kundip Karki	2002 Spr	May 31		Nepal	M		No		Other MAKA	Karma Wangchu Sherpa	2002 Spr	May 31		Nepal	M		No		Other MAKA	Pramod Sunar	2002 Spr	May 31		Nepal	M		No		Other MAKA	Vladislav Terzyul	2004 Spr	May 17		Ukraine	M	50	No	Y	Disappearance 8400 m MAKA	Jay Sieger	2004 Spr	May 18		USA	M	45	No	Y	Fall 8300 m MAKA	Sumba Sherpa (Junbesi, Beni-8, Solukhumbu)	2005 Spr	May 15		Nepal	M	42	No		AMS 5400 m MAKA	Jean-Christophe Lafaille	2005 Win	Jan 27		France	M	40	No		Crevasse 7700 m MAKA	Drabey Bahadur Rajan Magar	2008 Spr	Apr 24		Nepal	M	44	No		Falling Rock/Ice 5500 m MAKA	Nil Prasad Gurung (Sardikhola-2, Khandarjung, Kaski)	2008 Spr	May 20		Nepal	M	33	Y	Y	AMS 7400 m MAKA	Sangat Ram Thakur	2009 Spr	May 01		India	M	35	No		Fall 7100 m MAKA	Zaharias Kiriakakis	2010 Spr	May 26		Greece	M	44	Y	Y	Disappearance 8200 m MAKA	Joelle Catherine Brupbacher	2011 Spr	May 22	23:30	Switzerland	F	32	No		AMS 7400 m MAKA	Xiang-Yang Liu	2013 Spr	Apr 23		China	M	45	Y		Fall 7600 m MAKA	Yannick Claude Sylvain Gagneret	2014 Spr	May 02	16:00	France	M	39	Y		AMS 7350 m MAKA	Lhakpa Ongyal (Lhakpa Wangel) Sherpa (Nurbugaon, Makalu-Barun)	2016 Spr	May 10		Nepal	M	49	No		Illness/non-AMS 6600 m MAKA	Da Tenji Sherpa (Kharikhola, Solukhumbu)	2016 Spr	May 10		Nepal	M	39	No		Illness/non-AMS 6600 m MAKA	Ang Dawa Sherpa (Kerung-2, Solukhumbu)	2018 Spr	May 15	02:00	Nepal	M	31	Y	Y	Illness/non-AMS 5700 m MAKA	Richard Leopoldo Hidalgo Jara	2019 Spr	May 08		Peru	M	52	No		AMS 6700 m MAKA	Dipankar Ghosh	2019 Spr	May 16		India	M	53	Y	Y	Exhaustion 8200 m MAKA	Narayan Singh	2019 Spr	May 16		India	M	34	Y	Y	Exhaustion 8200 m MAKA	Nima Tenji Sherpa (Makalu-Barun)	2019 Spr	May 24		Nepal	M		No		AMS 6400 m

same source as before.

hope this helps! 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 10:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Death toll on Dhaulagiri + secondary summits as of 2022
† 4	West Dhaulagiri Churen Himal

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

CHRW	R. B. Rana	1975 Aut	Dec 31		Nepal	M	37	No		Unknown 0 m

CHRW	Amar Singh Tendal	1978 Spr	Mar 10		Nepal	M	? No		AMS 2100 m

CHRW	Hans Peter Hamm	1983 Aut	Oct 12		W Germany	M	24	No		Avalanche 5800 m

CHRW	Christoph Hawlitschek	1983 Aut	Oct 12		W Germany	M	22	No		Avalanche 5800 m

† 4	Dhaulagiri V

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

DHA5	Kenichi Aoki	1971 Spr	May 04		Japan	M	? No		Fall 7000 m

DHA5	Hidenobu Tezuka	1971 Spr	May 04		Japan	M	? No		Fall 7000 m

DHA5	Toshiumi Yanagisawa	1971 Spr	May 04		Japan	M	? No		Fall 7000 m

DHA5	Fukashi Chijiwa	1971 Aut	Oct 05		Japan	M	? No		Avalanche 5950 m

† 14	Dhaulagiri IV

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

DHA4	Kurt Ring	1969 Aut	Nov 10		Austria	M	36	No		Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4	Richard Hoyer	1969 Aut	Nov 10		Austria	M	26	No		Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4	Tenzing Nindra Sherpa	1969 Aut	Nov 10		Nepal	M	? No		Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4	Peter Lavicka	1969 Aut	Nov 10		Austria	M	28	No		Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4	Peter Nemec	1969 Aut	Nov 10		Austria	M	26	No		Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4	Kurt Reha	1969 Aut	Nov 10		Austria	M	20	No		Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4	Takajuro Matsui	1972 Spr	Apr 30	12:45	Japan	M	34	No		AMS 6200 m

DHA4	Alan Dewison	1973 Aut	Nov 19	16:00	UK	M	26	No		Fall 6300 m

DHA4	Kancha Sherpa	1973 Aut	Nov 23		Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4300 m

DHA4	Ang Tshering Sherpa	1974 Spr	Apr 14	09:15	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4890 m

DHA4	Dawa Tenzing Sherpa	1974 Spr	Apr 14	09:15	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4890 m

DHA4	Kami Sarki Sherpa	1974 Spr	Apr 14	09:15	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4890 m

DHA4	Shiro Kawazu	1975 Spr	May 10		Japan	M	31	No	Y	Fall 7400 m

DHA4	Etsuro Yasuda	1975 Spr	May 10		Japan	M	26	No	Y	Fall 7400 m

† 4	Dhaulagiri II

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

DHA2	Lhakpa Gelbu Sherpa	1965 Spr	Mar 28		Nepal	M	24	No		Avalanche 5300 m

DHA2	Mingma Tenzing Sherpa	1965 Spr	Mar 28		Nepal	M	28	No		Avalanche 5300 m

DHA2	Sung-Gyu Kim	1986 Spr	May 12	19:30	S Korea	M	23	No	Y	Fall 7300 m

DHA2	Farman Tamang (Nuwakot)	2007 Aut	Sep 20		Nepal	M	26	No		Falling Rock/Ice 0 m

† 86	Dhaulagiri

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

DHA1	Francisco Geronimo (Paco) Ibanez	1954 Spr	Jun 30		Argentina	M	26	No		Exposure/Frostbite 7500 m DHA1	Bal Bahadur 	1956 Spr	Dec 31		Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 5300 m DHA1	Heinrich (Heini) Roiss	1959 Spr	Apr 29	13:30	Austria	M	31	No		Crevasse 5700 m DHA1	Boyd Nixon Everett Jr.	1969 Spr	Apr 28	12:00	USA	M	35	No		Avalanche 5335 m DHA1	John Vincent Hoeman	1969 Spr	Apr 28	12:00	USA	M	25	No		Avalanche 5335 m DHA1	William B. Ross	1969 Spr	Apr 28	12:00	USA	M	30	No		Avalanche 5335 m DHA1	David A. Seidman	1969 Spr	Apr 28	12:00	USA	M	22	No		Avalanche 5335 m DHA1	Tenzing Sherpa (Pangboche, Khumbu)	1969 Spr	Apr 28	12:00	Nepal	M	32	No		Avalanche 5335 m DHA1	Pemba Phutar Sherpa (Monjo, Khumbu)	1969 Spr	Apr 28	12:00	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 5335 m DHA1	Paul Alexander Gerhard	1969 Spr	Apr 28	12:00	USA	M	26	No		Avalanche 5335 m DHA1	Yoshitada Numao	1975 Spr	Mar 26	01:00	Japan	M	25	No		Avalanche 4500 m DHA1	Tetsu Imura	1975 Spr	Mar 26	01:00	Japan	M	23	No		Avalanche 4500 m DHA1	Dorje Sherpa	1975 Spr	Mar 26	01:00	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4500 m DHA1	Dakiya Sherpa	1975 Spr	Mar 26	01:00	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4500 m DHA1	Pasang Kami Sherpa	1975 Spr	Mar 26	01:00	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4500 m DHA1	Katsumi Naganuma	1978 Spr	Apr 21		Japan	M	33	No		Fall 6500 m DHA1	Hiroshi Akuzawa	1978 Aut	Sep 23		Japan	M	35	No		Avalanche 6500 m DHA1	Kiyoshi Kobayashi	1978 Aut	Sep 23		Japan	M	28	No		Avalanche 6500 m DHA1	Yujiro Fukasawa	1978 Aut	Sep 23		Japan	M	28	No		Avalanche 6500 m DHA1	Katsuyoshi Kogure	1978 Aut	Oct 20	08:30	Japan	M	35	No		Fall 6450 m DHA1	Jean-Louis Sabarly	1979 Spr	May 13		France	M	28	No		Avalanche 7600 m DHA1	Pemba Sherpa	1979 Spr	May 13		Nepal	M	? No		Other 7600 m DHA1	Eric Poumailloux	1979 Spr	May 14		France	M	26	No		Exhaustion 0 m DHA1	Lynette Griffith	1980 Aut	Oct 07	14:15	Australia	F	27	No		Avalanche 5900 m DHA1	Alberto Mario Serrano	1981 Spr	May 24		Argentina	M	34	Y		Exposure/Frostbite 7400 m DHA1	Chikahiro Chin	1983 Aut	Nov 07		China	M	29	No		Illness/non-AMS) 4500 m DHA1	Jan Simon	1984 Aut	Oct 23		Czechoslovakia	M	25	No	Y	Fall 8000 m DHA1	Franz Müllender	1986 Aut	Sep 21	20:30	Austria	M	24	No		Illness/non-AMS) 3700 m DHA1	Kami Sarki Sherpa (Namche Bazar, Khumbu)	1989 Aut	Sep 25		Nepal	M	20	No		Avalanche 6900 m DHA1	Ajiwa Sherpa (Thami, Khumbu)	1989 Aut	Sep 25		Nepal	M	36	No		Avalanche 6900 m DHA1	Francesc (Quico) Dalmases Cunill	1989 Aut	Oct 09		Spain	M	32	No		Disappearance 7600 m DHA1	Unknown	1989 Win	Nov 28		Nepal	M	17	No		Avalanche 4500 m DHA1	Scott William McGrath	1989 Win	Dec 25		USA	M	33	No		Avalanche 6400 m DHA1	Nuru Wangchuk Sherpa	1989 Win	Dec 25		Nepal	M	30	No		Avalanche 6400 m DHA1	Gregory Barber	1989 Win	Dec 25		USA	M	20	No		Avalanche 6400 m DHA1	Wangel (Ongel) Sherpa (Solukhumbu)	1990 Spr	Apr 29		Nepal	M	35	No		Avalanche 6700 m DHA1	Dainius Makauskas	1990 Aut	Oct 31	17:00	USSR	M	51	No	Y	Disappearance 8000 m DHA1	Hubert Weinzerle (Weinzierl?)	1992 Spr	May 02	05:00	Germany	M	37	No		Illness/non-AMS) 7000 m DHA1	Sandita Isaila	1992 Spr	May 11		Romania	F	42	No		Disappearance 6500 m DHA1	Taina Coliban	1992 Spr	May 11		Romania	F	48	No		Disappearance 6500 m DHA1	Gary Ian Ball	1993 Aut	Oct 06	15:00	New Zealand	M	40	Y		AMS 6500 m DHA1	Robert Baehler	1994 Aut	Sep 26		Switzerland	M	45	No		Fall 7500 m DHA1	Galina Tchekanova	1994 Aut	Oct 13	19:00	Ukraine	F	35	No	Y	Fall 7400 m DHA1	Albrecht Hammann	1995 Spr	May 19	16:00	Germany	M	45	No	Y	Exposure/Frostbite 8150 m DHA1	Hisayoshi Tawaraya	1995 Aut	Oct 06		Japan	M	44	Y	Y	Fall 7500 m DHA1	Nikos Papandreou	1998 Spr	May 01		Greece	M	44	No		Fall 7500 m DHA1	Chantal Mauduit	1998 Spr	May 11		France	F	34	No		Falling Rock/Ice 6550 m DHA1	Ang Tshering Sherpa (Thami, Khumbu)	1998 Spr	May 11		Nepal	M	41	No		Falling Rock/Ice 6550 m DHA1	Charalampos (Babis) Tsoupras	1998 Aut	Oct 02	16:00	Greece	M	36	No		Fall 8100 m DHA1	Dawa Dorje Sherpa (Makalu-Barun)	1999 Aut	Oct 24	09:00	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 6750 m DHA1	Ginette Lesley Harrison	1999 Aut	Oct 24	09:00	UK	F	41	No		Avalanche 6750 m DHA1	Soo-Ho Lee	2000 Aut	Sep 29	08:20	S Korea	M	35	No		Avalanche 5600 m DHA1	Chuldim Gyalzen Sherpa (Namche Bazar, Khumbu)	2000 Aut	Oct 02		Nepal	M	36	No		Avalanche 6600 m DHA1	Jose Antonio (Pepe) Garces Galindo	2001 Aut	Oct 12		Spain	M	44	No		Fall 7800 m DHA1	Ryushi Hoshino	2001 Aut	Oct 14		Japan	M	33	No		Fall 6500 m DHA1	Masashi Fukumoto	2001 Aut	Oct 14		Japan	M	27	No		Fall 6500 m DHA1	Yukihiko Shinagawa	2001 Aut	Oct 14		Japan	M	33	No		Fall 6500 m DHA1	Joze Sepic	2004 Spr	May 19		Slovenia	M	56	Y		Fall 4700 m DHA1	Sergio Dalla Longa	2007 Spr	Apr 29		Italy	M	48	No		Fall 8160 m DHA1	Santiago Sagaste Ayesa	2007 Spr	May 13	08:50	Spain	M	33	No		Avalanche 6700 m DHA1	Ricardo Valencia Martinez	2007 Spr	Aug 13	08:50	Spain	M	47	No		Avalanche 6700 m DHA1	Dario Alejandro Bracali	2008 Spr	May 02		Argentina	M	35	No		Disappearance 0 m DHA1	Rafael Guillen	2008 Spr	May 02	16:00	Spain	M	35	No		Fall 6800 m DHA1	Piotr Jerzy Morawski	2009 Spr	Apr 08	09:00	Poland	M	32	No		Crevasse 5500 m DHA1	Mehdi Etemadfar	2009 Spr	May 01	16:30	Iran	M	53	No		Fall 8050 m DHA1	Liang Zhao	2010 Spr	May 13		China	M	34	Y	Y	Fall 7400 m DHA1	Bin Li	2010 Spr	May 13		China	M	47	Y	Y	Exhaustion 7600 m DHA1	Xin Han	2010 Spr	May 13		China	M	40	Y	Y	Fall 7400 m DHA1	Osamu Tanabe	2010 Aut	Sep 28	10:00	Japan	M	49	No		Avalanche 5300 m DHA1	Toshio Yamamoto	2010 Aut	Sep 28	10:00	Japan	M	36	No		Avalanche 5400 m DHA1	Daisuke Honda	2010 Aut	Sep 28	10:00	Japan	M	32	No		Avalanche 5200 m DHA1	Pasang Gelu Sherpa (Dhimbul, Gudel, Solukhumbu)	2010 Aut	Sep 28	10:00	Nepal	M	46	No		Avalanche 6700 m DHA1	Juan Jose (Juanjo) Garra Lorenzo	2013 Spr	May 23		Spain	M	49	No		Fall 8000 m DHA1	Dawa Sherpa (Damdi, Tapting, Solukhumbu)	2013 Spr	May 23		Nepal	M	41	Y		Fall 7500 m DHA1	Chizuko Kono	2013 Spr	May 23		Japan	F	66	Y		AMS 7700 m DHA1	Dorje Sherpa (Jubing-2, Solukhumbu)	2014 Aut	Oct 14	22:30	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4750 m DHA1	Gopal Rai	2014 Aut	Oct 14	22:30	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4750 m DHA1	Bhoj Kumar Rai	2014 Aut	Oct 14	22:30	Nepal	M	? No		Avalanche 4750 m DHA1	Vladimir Svancar	2014 Aut	Oct 14	22:30	Slovakia	M	59	No		Avalanche 4750 m DHA1	Jan Matlak	2014 Aut	Oct 14	22:30	Slovakia	M	60	No		Avalanche 4750 m DHA1	Christiaan Johan Wilson	2016 Spr	Dec 31		Netherlands	M	35	No		Disappearance 0 m DHA1	Rajib Bhattarcharya	2016 Spr	May 19		India	M	42	No		AMS 6600 m DHA1	Ang Ngima Sherpa (Chaurikharka-3, Khumbu)	2017 Spr	May 20		Nepal	M	33	Y	Y	Exposure/Frostbite 7900 m DHA1	Simone La Terra	2018 Spr	Apr 29	16:00	Italy	M	36	No		Fall 6976 m DHA1	Dawa Gyaljen (Ang Dawa) Sherpa (Makalu-5, Makalu-Barun)	2018 Aut	Sep 19		Nepal	M	24	No		Avalanche 6600 m DHA1	Antonios Sykaris	2022 Spr	Apr 12	04:00	Greece	M	59	Y	Y	Exhaustion 7400 m

same source as before.

Hope this is useful! 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 11:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Death toll on Manaslu + secondary Peak as of 2022
Table:

† 13	Main Himalchuli (East P, Mansiri Himal)

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

HIME	Herbert Maddock	1953 Spr	Jun 21		UK	M	23	No		Other

HIME	Arthur Herbert Firman	1955 Spr	May 16		UK	M	42	No		Falling Rock/Ice

HIME	Nima Tenzing Sherpa	1959 Spr	May 04		Nepal	M		Y		AMS 5790 m

HIME	Kazi Sherpa	1960 Spr	May 03	05:00	Nepal	M		No		Falling Rock/Ice 5180 m

HIME	Yoshiharu Kondo	1977 Spr	May 13		Japan	M	33	No		Falling Rock/Ice 7400 m

HIME	Lhakpa Norbu Sherpa (Thami, Khumbu)	1978 Spr	Apr 11		Nepal	M	38	No		Other 0 m

HIME	Masayuki Fujita	1983 Aut	Oct 06	09:10	Japan	M	31	No		Fall 6300 m

HIME	Nobuhiro Hase	1983 Aut	Oct 06	09:10	Japan	M	27	No		Fall 6300 m

HIME	Peter Greskovits	1985 Spr	May 16	15:00	Hungary	M	33	No		Fall 6500 m

HIME	Sandor Csanadi	1985 Spr	May 16	15:00	Hungary	M	36	No		Fall 6500 m

HIME	Hizuru Nakamura	1986 Aut	Oct 26		Japan	M	31	Y	Y	Fall 7800 m

HIME	Jacek (Jerzy) Klincewicz	1986 Win	Dec 30	12:00	Poland	M	34	No		Fall 4700 m

HIME	Chai-Hong Chung	1989 Aut	Sep 14		S Korea	M	62	Y		AMS 4950 m

† 90	Manaslu

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

MANA	Ki-Sup Kim	1971 Spr	May 04		S Korea	M	25	Y		Crevasse 7600 m

MANA	Karki	1972 Spr	Apr 04		Nepal	M		No		Disappearance 4300 m

MANA	Ang Rita Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?))	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Ang Tendi (Ang Dawa) Sherpa (Thami, Khumbu)	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Gyalze Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?))	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Ang Mingma Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?))	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M	37	No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Pasang Nima Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?))	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Pemba Rinji (Nawang Chultim) Sherpa (Jorsale, Khumbu)	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Phurba Tenzing Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?))	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Rinsing Ongyal (Rinji Wangel) Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu)	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M	33	No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Wangel Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?))	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Joon-Haeng Song	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	S Korea	M	30	No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Sae-Keun Oh	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	S Korea	M	26	No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Ho-Sup Kim                15 †	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	S Korea	M	27	No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Ang Mingma Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?))	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:15	Nepal	M	28	No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Chang-Hee Park	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:30	S Korea	M	39	No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Kazunari Yasuhisa	1972 Spr	Apr 10	03:30	Japan	M	33	No		Avalanche 6500 m

MANA	Andi Schlick	1972 Spr	Apr 25		Austria	M	27	No		Fall 7400 m

MANA	Franz Jäger	1972 Spr	Apr 25		Austria	M	29	No		Fall 7400 m

MANA	Teiko Suzuki	1974 Spr	May 04		Japan	F	30	Y		Fall 7600 m

MANA	Edgardo Jose Porcellana	1979 Aut	Oct 08		Argentina	M	28	No		Avalanche 5700 m

MANA	Pere Aymerich	1982 Spr	May 11		Spain	M	30	No		Avalanche 7400 m

MANA	Enric Font Lloret	1982 Spr	May 11		Spain	M	37	No		Avalanche 7400 m

MANA	Takashi Sakuma	1982 Win	Dec 18	10:25	Japan	M	32	Y		Fall 7550 m

MANA	Ante Bucan	1983 Spr	Apr 24		Yugoslavia	M	32	No		Avalanche 4500 m

MANA	Jernej (Nejc) Zaplotnik	1983 Spr	Apr 24		Yugoslavia	M	31	No		Avalanche 4500 m

MANA	Stanislaw Jaworski	1983 Win	Dec 11		Poland	M	37	No		Fall 5600 m

MANA	Thomas Juen	1985 Spr	May 04		Austria	M	27	No		Avalanche 7000 m

MANA	Nima Norbu Sherpa	1985 Aut	Oct 25		Nepal	M	25	No		Avalanche 6400 m

MANA	Wilhelm Klaiber	1986 Spr	May 03		W Germany	M	48	No		Fall 7000 m

MANA	Dieter Oberbichler	1986 Spr	May 04		Austria	M	44	No		Fall 6400 m

MANA	Ichigi Kudo	1987 Aut	Oct 28		Japan	M	43	No		AMS 4400 m

MANA	Santiago Suarez	1989 Spr	May 07	13:30	Spain	M	35	No		Fall 7100 m

MANA	Charles (Chuck) Schertz	1990 Spr	Mar 27	09:00	USA	M	35	No		Avalanche 4700 m

MANA	Wangchu (Nima Wangchu) Sherpa (Chumoa, Khumbu)	1990 Spr	Mar 27	09:00	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 4700 m

MANA	Nancy Jackson	1990 Spr	Mar 27	09:00	USA	F	34	No		Avalanche 4700 m

MANA	Zijnur Khalitov	1990 Aut	Oct 07		USSR	M	38	No		Fall 7200 m

MANA	Murat Galiev	1990 Aut	Oct 07		USSR	M	29	No		Fall 7200 m

MANA	Grigori Luniakov	1990 Aut	Oct 07		USSR	M	35	No		Fall 7200 m

MANA	Karl Grossrubatscher	1991 Spr	May 10	09:00	Italy	M	28	No		Fall 7000 m

MANA	Gottfried (Friedl) Mutschlechner	1991 Spr	May 10	16:00	Italy	M	41	No		Other 5700 m

MANA	Sylwia Dmowska	1992 Aut	Oct 02	18:00	Poland	F	22	No		Fall 7200 m

MANA	Sven Vermeiren	1992 Aut	Oct 03	10:30	Belgium	M	23	No		Fall 6800 m

MANA	Igor Khmiliar	1993 Aut	Oct 21		Russia	M	35	No	Y	Fall 7300 m

MANA	Sergei Jadrychnikov	1993 Aut	Oct 22	04:00	Russia	M	37	No		Avalanche 6200 m

MANA	Jörg Starke	1995 Spr	May 06		Germany	M	31	No		Fall 7000 m

MANA	Michael Zunk	1995 Spr	May 07	16:00	Germany	M	35	No	Y	Fall 7750 m

MANA	Masatsugu Konishi	1996 Aut	Oct 01		Japan	M	57	Y	Y	Disappearance 7800 m

MANA	Juraj Kardhordo	1997 Aut	Oct 08	18:00	Slovakia	M	31	No		Fall 8000 m

MANA	Miroslav Rybansky	1997 Aut	Oct 09	11:00	Slovakia	M	41	No	Y	Other 7300 m

MANA	Lennin Granados	1998 Aut	Oct 26	13:30	Colombia	M	31	No		Avalanche 6300 m

MANA	Hristo Stantchev	1998 Aut	Oct 30		Bulgaria	M	38	No		Fall 6900 m

MANA	Isao Kurihara	2001 Aut	Oct 13	02:40	Japan	M	42	Y		AMS 6600 m

MANA	Susan Erica (Sue) Fear	2006 Spr	May 28	12:00	Australia	F	43	No	Y	Crevasse 7800 m

MANA	Hasta Bahadur Gurung (Sitalpati, Makalu-Barun)	2008 Spr	May 13	21:00	Nepal	M	49	Y		Illness/non-AMS) 6750 m

MANA	Daniel Goulevitch	2008 Aut	Oct 05	05:00	France	M	49	Y		AMS 7400 m

MANA	Giuseppe Antonelli	2009 Spr	Apr 28		Italy	M	38	No		Illness/non-AMS) 6308 m

MANA	Szabo Levente	2009 Spr	May 19	16:00	Hungary	M	39	No		Fall 7300 m

MANA	Franc Oderlap	2009 Aut	Oct 03	11:00	Slovenia	M	50	Y		Falling Rock/Ice 5850 m

MANA	Haeng-Su Park	2010 Spr	Apr 23		S Korea	M	26	No		Exhaustion 7600 m

MANA	Chi-Won Yun	2010 Spr	Apr 23	20:00	S Korea	M	39	No		Disappearance 7600 m

MANA	Nobuaki Kuwabara	2010 Aut	Sep 25		Japan	M	60	No		Illness/non-AMS) 4700 m

MANA	Eisa Mir-Shekari	2011 Spr	Apr 30		Iran	M	27	No		AMS 7000 m

MANA	Tashi Chhiring Sherpa (Rolwaling, Dolakha)	2011 Spr	May 11		Nepal	M	32		Y	Disappearance 0 m

MANA	Alain Pierre Marie Laurens	2011 Spr	May 11		France	M	57		Y	Disappearance 0 m

MANA	Bernard Jean Francois Milian	2011 Spr	May 11		France	M	52		Y	Disappearance 0 m

MANA	Jafar Naseri	2012 Spr	May 10	21:30	Iran	M	34	No	Y	Fall 7900 m

MANA	Philippe Lucien Bos	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:30	France	M	55	No		Avalanche 7300 m

MANA	Ludovic Paul Nicolas Challeat	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:30	France	M	42	No		Avalanche 7300 m

MANA	Dominique Ouimet	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:30	Canada	M	48	No		Avalanche 7300 m

MANA	Catherine Marie Andree Ricard	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:30	France	F	48	Y		Avalanche 7300 m

MANA	Fabrice Priez	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:30	France	M	45	No		Avalanche 7300 m

MANA	Dawa Dorje Sherpa (Pangboche, Khumbu)	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:45	Nepal	M	29	No		Avalanche 6700 m

MANA	Remy George Lecluse	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:45	France	M	48	No		Avalanche 6800 m

MANA	Marti Gasull Roig	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:45	Spain	M	43	No		Avalanche 6800 m

MANA	Alberto Magliano	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:45	Italy	M	66	No		Avalanche 6700 m

MANA	Christian Mittermeyer	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:45	Germany	M	42	No		Avalanche 6730 m

MANA	Gregory Ugo Costa	2012 Aut	Sep 23	04:45	France	M	27	No		Avalanche 6800 m

MANA	Victor Manuel Correa Perez	2012 Aut	Oct 03		Colombia	M	34	No		Disappearance 6270 m

MANA	Yoshimasa Sasaki	2014 Aut	Sep 24		Japan	M	59	Y		Fall 7300 m

MANA	Zoltan Benedek	2015 Aut	Oct 02	01:00	Austria	M	51	No	Y	AMS 7450 m

MANA	Hirotaka Onodera	2016 Aut	Oct 07		Japan	M	23	Y	Y	Fall 8150 m

MANA	Philip Joseph Harvey	2017 Aut	Sep 25	08:30	UK	M	46	Y		AMS 6700 m

MANA	Hiromi Komatsu	2018 Aut	Sep 08		Japan	M	67	No		Other 0 m

MANA	Roman Hlavko	2018 Aut	Sep 29		Czechia	M	43	No	Y	Fall 7000 m

MANA	Rita Donata Bladyko	2019 Aut	Sep 28		Poland	F	50	Y		Exhaustion 6800 m

MANA	Brent Seal	2021 Aut	Sep 28		Canada	M	37	Y		Illness/non-AMS) 7885 m

MANA	Anup Rai	2022 Aut	Sep 26		Nepal	M	34	No		Avalanche 7000 m

MANA	Hilaree Janet O'Neill Nelson	2022 Aut	Sep 26	11:40	USA	F	49	Y	Y	Fall 8150 m

MANA	Dawa Chhiring Sherpa (Lelep-8, Taplejung)	2022 Aut	Oct 02		Nepal	M	33	No		Avalanche 6000 m

same source as before.

hope this helps!

2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 11:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Death toll on Annapurna + secondary summits as of 2022
† 3	Annapurna Middle Peak

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

ANNM	Winfried Trinkle	1980 Aut	Oct 04	08:00	W Germany	M	44	No		Fall 7100 m

ANNM	Keepa Sherpa	1984 Win	Dec 07	16:30	Nepal	M		No	Y	Fall 7800 m

ANNM	Pasang Norbu Sherpa (Solukhumbu)	1984 Win	Dec 07	16:30	Nepal	M		No	Y	Fall 7800 m

† 5	Annapurna IV

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

ANN4	Pasang Dawa Sherpa	1985 Aut	Oct 17		Nepal	M		No		Exposure/Frostbite 4000 m

ANN4	Tenzing Lama	1995 Spr	Mar 26		Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 3100 m

ANN4	Richard (Rich) Davidson	1996 Aut	Oct 04	05:00	USA	M	46	No		Avalanche 5400 m

ANN4	Deborah (Debbie) Marshall	1996 Aut	Oct 04	05:00	USA	F	32	No		Avalanche 5400 m

ANN4	Alois Erich Schiempfössl	2005 Aut	Oct 11	13:00	Austria	M	60	No		AMS 6300 m

† 9	Annapurna III

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

ANN3	Luigino Henry	1977 Aut	Oct 23	20:00	Italy	M	36	No	Y	Crevasse 6000 m

ANN3	Stafford James Morse	1980 Spr	Mar 30		Australia	M	24	No		Avalanche 5030 m

ANN3	Nicholas David Reeves	1980 Spr	Mar 30		Australia	M	26	No		Avalanche 5030 m

ANN3	Richard John Schmidt	1980 Spr	Mar 30		Australia	M	34	No		Avalanche 5030 m

ANN3	Masami Okabe	1982 Spr	Apr 24	13:30	Japan	M	30	No		Avalanche 6800 m

ANN3	Robert Grant Uttley	1983 Aut	Oct 14		UK	M	21	No		Exposure/Frostbite 6300 m

ANN3	Massimo Caslini	1986 Aut	Sep 26		Italy	M	28	No		Falling Rock/Ice 6000 m

ANN3	Unknown	1988 Aut	Sep 10	00:00	Nepal	M		No		AMS 3000 m

ANN3	Beno Dolinsek	1994 Aut	Oct 16		Slovenia	M	25	No		Fall 6750 m

† 6	Annapurna II

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

ANN2	Masatoshi Sato	1971 Spr	May 04		Japan	M	22	No		Fall 7500 m

ANN2	Ikuo Tanabe	1980 Spr	Apr 26	20:00	Japan	M	36	No		Fall 6700 m

ANN2	Kyoichi Ichikawa	1981 Aut	Oct 11	12:30	Japan	M	29	No		Fall 7400 m

ANN2	Klaus Schlamberger	1983 Spr	May 05		Austria	M		No		Fall 7300 m

ANN2	Kab-Young Jeong	1989 Aut	Sep 21		S Korea	M	26	No	Y	Fall 0 m

ANN2	Young-Kyu Kim	1989 Aut	Sep 21		S Korea	M	27	No	Y	Fall 0 m

† 72	Annapurna

Peak	Name	Yr/Seas	Date	Time	Citizenship	Sex	Age	Oxy	Smt	Cause of Death

ANN1	Ian Stewart Clough	1970 Spr	May 30	09:45	UK	M	32	No		Falling Rock/Ice 5300 m

ANN1	Kazumi Katagiri	1973 Spr	May 18	11:30	Japan	M	23	No		Avalanche 6700 m

ANN1	Masanori Hama	1973 Spr	May 18	11:30	Japan	M	36	No		Avalanche 6700 m

ANN1	Sadatoshi Takahashi	1973 Spr	May 18	11:30	Japan	M	37	No		Avalanche 6700 m

ANN1	Chong Rinji Sherpa (Junbesi, Solukhumbu)	1973 Spr	May 18	14:40	Nepal	M		Y		Avalanche 6300 m

ANN1	Tadashi Ushigoe	1973 Spr	May 18	14:40	Japan	M	30	No		Avalanche 6300 m

ANN1	Miller Rava	1973 Aut	Sep 26	21:00	Italy	M	26	No		Avalanche 5750 m

ANN1	Leonardo Cerruti	1973 Aut	Sep 26	21:00	Italy	M	34	No		Avalanche 5750 m

ANN1	Franz Tegischer	1975 Spr	Apr 15	00:30	Austria	M	27	No		Avalanche 5500 m

ANN1	Vera Watson	1978 Aut	Oct 17	18:00	UK	F	45	No		Fall 7300 m

ANN1	Alison Chadwick-Onyszkiewicz	1978 Aut	Oct 17	18:00	UK	F	36	No		Fall 7300 m

ANN1	Unknown	1979 Spr	Dec 31		Nepal	M		No		Unknown 0 m

ANN1	Yves Morin	1979 Spr	May 01		France	M	33	No	Y	Other 6600 m

ANN1	Eric Roberts	1979 Aut	Sep 19	10:30	UK	M	33	No		Avalanche 6500 m

ANN1	Gilbert V. (Gil) Harder	1979 Aut	Sep 19	10:30	USA	M	34	No		Avalanche 6500 m

ANN1	Maynard Cohick	1979 Aut	Sep 19	10:30	USA	M	41	No		Avalanche 6500 m

ANN1	Pemba Tshering Sherpa	1981 Aut	Sep 28		Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 5650 m

ANN1	Ang Nima Sherpa	1981 Aut	Sep 28		Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 5650 m

ANN1	Yves Favre	1981 Aut	Sep 28	10:40	France	M	35	No		Avalanche 5100 m

ANN1	Andre Durieux	1981 Aut	Sep 28	10:40	France	M	27	No		Avalanche 5100 m

ANN1	Yasuji Kato	1981 Aut	Oct 31	09:30	Japan	M	32	No		Fall 7700 m

ANN1	Werner Bürkli	1982 Spr	May 04	18:30	Switzerland	M	42	No	Y	Illness/non-AMS 7100 m

ANN1	Shanti Rai	1982 Spr	May 12		Nepal	M		No		Fall 6000 m

ANN1	Alexander (Alex) MacIntyre	1982 Aut	Oct 17	10:30	UK	M	28	No		Falling Rock/Ice 6000 m

ANN1	Susumu Akamatsu	1982 Aut	Oct 18	04:00	Japan	M	29	No		Avalanche 5400 m

ANN1	Mikio Ono	1982 Aut	Oct 18	04:00	Japan	M	30	No		Avalanche 5400 m

ANN1	Tika Ram Magar	1983 Aut	Sep 24	07:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 5500 m

ANN1	Maila Magar	1983 Aut	Sep 24	07:15	Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 5500 m

ANN1	Yang-Keun Chung	1983 Aut	Sep 24	07:15	S Korea	M	27	No		Avalanche 5500 m

ANN1	Patrick Taglianut	1984 Spr	Apr 21		France	M	28	No		Avalanche 6100 m

ANN1	Philippe Dumas	1984 Spr	Apr 21		France	M	32	No		Avalanche 6100 m

ANN1	Benoit Grison	1986 Aut	Sep 23		France	M	23	No		Fall 6000 m

ANN1	Andres Ferrer	1987 Spr	May 24		Spain	M	29	No		Fall 6500 m

ANN1	Toshiyuki Kobayashi	1987 Win	Dec 20	17:00	Japan	M	22	No	Y	Fall 7900 m

ANN1	Yasuhira Saito	1987 Win	Dec 20	19:00	Japan	M	34	No	Y	Fall 7420 m

ANN1	Ang Dawa Sherpa	1988 Aut	Sep 29	19:15	Nepal	M	27	No		Falling Rock/Ice 5000 m

ANN1	Akihiko Mori	1988 Aut	Sep 29	19:15	Japan	M	43	No		Falling Rock/Ice 5000 m

ANN1	Jiri Pelikan	1988 Aut	Oct 01		Czechoslovakia	M	36	No		Fall 8000 m

ANN1	Ognian Stoykov	1989 Aut	Oct 28	16:15	Bulgaria	M	29	No	Y	Fall 7000 m

ANN1	Milen Metkov	1989 Aut	Oct 28	16:15	Bulgaria	M	25	No		Fall 7000 m

ANN1	Seong-Jee Lee	1991 Aut	Sep 19		S Korea	M	25	No		Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1	Tenzing Sherpa	1991 Aut	Sep 19		Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1	Sang-Gu Lee	1991 Aut	Sep 19		S Korea	M	27	No		Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1	Jangbu Sherpa	1991 Aut	Sep 19		Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1	Lhakpa Tendi Sherpa	1991 Aut	Sep 19		Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1	Dawa Sange Sherpa (Ghat, Khumbu)	1991 Aut	Sep 19		Nepal	M	26	No		Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1	Gabriel Denamur	1991 Aut	Oct 20		Belgium	M	28	No	Y	Fall 7700 m

ANN1	Pierre Beghin	1992 Aut	Oct 11	09:00	France	M	41	No		Fall 7100 m

ANN1	Suk-Byun Jun	1994 Win	Dec 05		S Korea	M	36	No		Fall 4300 m

ANN1	Ngati Sherpa (Phortse, Khumbu)	1997 Spr	Mar 23		Nepal	M	28	No		Crevasse 5300 m

ANN1	Dmitri Sobolev	1997 Win	Dec 25	12:15	Kazakhstan	M	36	No		Avalanche 5700 m

ANN1	Anatoli Boukreev	1997 Win	Dec 25	12:15	Kazakhstan	M	39	No		Avalanche 5900 m

ANN1	Ang Tshering Sherpa	1998 Spr	Apr 25		Nepal	M		No		Avalanche 6050 m

ANN1	Kami Dorchi (Kami Dorje) Sherpa (Kerung, Solukhumbu)	1999 Spr	Apr 29		Nepal	M	33	No	Y	Fall 7600 m

ANN1	Hyung-Ok Ji	1999 Spr	Apr 29		S Korea	F	38	No	Y	Fall 7600 m

ANN1	Michio Sato	2004 Aut	Oct 10	11:00	Japan	M	43	No		Avalanche 6000 m

ANN1	Hideji Nazuka	2004 Aut	Oct 10	11:00	Japan	M	49	No		Avalanche 6000 m

ANN1	Christian Kuntner	2005 Spr	May 18	08:30	Italy	M	43	No		Avalanche 6300 m

ANN1	Lhakpa Rita Sherpa (Phortse, Khumbu)	2006 Aut	Oct 22	09:20	Nepal	M	35	No		Icefall Collapse 6220 m

ANN1	Udhav Prasad Khanal	2007 Spr	Apr 22		Nepal	M	46	No		Unknown 0 m

ANN1	Ignacio (Inaki) Ochoa de Olza Seguin	2008 Spr	May 23	12:10	Spain	M	40	No		AMS 7400 m

ANN1	Martin Minarik	2009 Spr	Apr 22		Czechia	M	41	No		Disappearance 6700 m

ANN1	Bartolome (Tolo) Calafat Marcus	2010 Spr	Apr 28		Spain	M	39	No	Y	Exhaustion 7600 m

ANN1	Dong-Min Shin	2011 Aut	Oct 18		S Korea	M	37	No		Crevasse 6300 m

ANN1	Young-Seok Park	2011 Aut	Oct 18		S Korea	M	47	No		Crevasse 6300 m

ANN1	Ki-Seok Kang	2011 Aut	Oct 18		S Korea	M	33	No		Crevasse 6300 m

ANN1	Tibor Horvath	2012 Spr	May 05	16:00	Hungary	M	33	No		Avalanche 6000 m

ANN1	Ivan Lobanov	2012 Aut	Oct 07	14:53	Uzbekistan	M	51	No		Avalanche 5700 m

ANN1	Ilyas Tukhvatullin	2012 Aut	Oct 07	14:53	Uzbekistan	M	54	No		Avalanche 5700 m

ANN1	Samuli (Mika) Mansikka	2015 Spr	Mar 25	03:00	Finland	M	36	No	Y	Fall 7400 m

ANN1	Pema Chhiring/Pemba Sherpa (Makalu-5, Makalu-Barun)	2015 Spr	Mar 25	03:00	Nepal	M	35	Y	Y	Fall 7400 m

ANN1	Wui Kin Chin	2019 Spr	May 23		Malaysia	M	48	Y	Y	AMS 7550 m

same source as before.

Hop this is useful!

2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 11:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

total death toll on Himal 8000ers by successful ascents as of 2022
Mountain 2022 succ	 † †/succ †secP    %

Everest 	 11341	333	 2.94%

K2 		            96

Nanga Parbat 		 86			86

Manaslu 	 2841	 90	 3.17%	13	103	 3.63

Dhaulagiri    647	 86	13.29%	26	112	17.31

Annapurna     395	 72	18.23%	23	 95	24.05

Kangchenjunga 532	 52	 9.77%	10	 62	11.65

Cho Oyu 	 3923	 52			     52	 1.33

Makalu 	      647	 48	 7.42%	13	 61	 9.43

Gasherbrum I 		 34		    7	 41

Broad Peak 		    37			37

Shishapangma 		 31			31

Lhotse 	     1089	 23	 2.11%	10	 33	 3.03

Gasherbrum II		 24			24

TOTAL       21415 1064  4.97% 102 1166  5.44

The table: col1 Summit (name), col2 successful ascents, col3 fatalities, col4 fatals/ascents in %, col5 fatals on secondary peaks, col6 Percentage of total fatals/ascents. Clearly, Annapurna, Dhaulagiri and the famous "Kangch" are the most dangerous mountains in these terms. Only in very recent years the fatality rate of Annapurna dropped below 20%, but including the fatals on the secondary summits runs her again to a ratio of nearly 1:4 - one dead body by 4 ascents.

Unfortunately I do not have access to the figures of total ascents in Karakorum (K2, Nanga Parbat etc). But this might be added by one of you guys.

Adding up all given figures you can see an average rate of roughly 1 death by 20 ascents (~5 - 5,5%) with the Karakorum data missing. You might take a look at the sources of the 8000er page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-thousander - but ist's accurate only up to 2012, and the "Kangch" is completely missing (strange! One of the most interesting ones - just gone!!). I couldn't figure it out by now, but I'm still working on it.

Enjoy! Best regards, Wolfgang. 176.199.208.85 (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

shishapangma deaths need an update
https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/shishapangma-death-toll-four/

Four people died on Shishapangma in October due to some commercial madness, but it still lists Boyan Petrov as the most recent death on Shishapangma Dancewiththeyeti (talk) 14:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)