Talk:List of kings of Lydia

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The dates given for the later kings on the "List of Kings of Lydia" entirely conflict with the dates given on the pages of the individual kings. A careful revision of all of this material is needed.

I think the dates here are based on Herodotus, which doesn't synchronize properly with Assyrian sources. This page needs to be changed, I think. john k 21:20, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Disputed status - help needed for chronology
I tried, honestly. But I have no idea how to fix this important list of rulers. Here are the problems that I see: --Serpent&#39;s Choice 05:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The dates given for the later kings don't match the dates in those kings' articles. I'm not at all sure which, if any, are accepted.
 * Dynasty names. I've got some sources that seem to go with this Heraclid/Tilonid/Mermnad dynastic order, and others that go Atyad/Heraclid = Tilnoid/Mermnad.  I suspect the latter, but I've got little to go on here.
 * Kings themselves. I've got no clue where the list of kings before Ardys I came from.  Some of those names are more commonly identified with random mythological elements (Marsyas).  Omphale is certainly attested to in classical text, although I wonder if she's semi-legendary.  I've already removed Tantalus and Heracles from the list; I'm unwilling to accept claims that they are meant to represent real Lydian kings without serious documentation.
 * In the same vein, who the heck is Ker?
 * Indeed, the main Lydia article employs the Atyad/Heraclid = Tilonid/Mermnad dynastic progression. Of course, it is also virtually unreferenced. Serpent&#39;s Choice 05:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Manes, Cotys, Atys, Tmolus
Manes (king), as his name implies, was the first of his line, and Tmolus, as the accounts -of any sort- surrounding him make clear, was the last. After Tmolus, the reign was taken over by another dynasty. I don't why anyone wanted to couple Manes and Tmolus, and place Tantalus at the bottom of Atyads (Tantalids). Also, Herodotus mentions, in one section of his history, Cotys between Manes and Atys, and he doesn't in another section. I suggest we insert Cotys under Manes with eventually a question mark, and name another Cotys who came in the line later, as [[Cotys II, perhaps again with a question mark. Cretanforever (talk) 12:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)