Talk:List of lists of Swedes

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Henri Bergson - Swedish??? S.

Sorry -  got carried away there.... :-)) User:Renata

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Tove Jansson belongs on the Famous Finnish people page, though her language was Swedish she lived all her life in Finland. -- User:OlofE

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Further famous Swedish people who might be included:

-W    indicates that the name is not found in Wikipedia +W    indicates that the name is found in Wikipedia +W art. indicates that the person already has an article in Wikipedia

Torbern Bergman                    -W Saint Birgitta (St Bridget)        +W Karl-Birger Blomdahl               +W Christina of Sweden                +W art. Olaus Magnus                       -W Harry Martinson                    +W Birgit Nilsson                     -W Christina Nilsson (19th c. soprano) +W (under Rossini) Martin P:son Nilsson               -W Christian Hendrik Persoon          +W art. Christopher Polhem                 +W Hans Riesel                        -W Johannes Rudbeck                   +W Olaus Rudbeck                      +W Emanuel Swedenborg                 +W Nathan Söderblom                   +W Elisabeth Söderström               +W Esaias Tegnér                      +W

S. - Added some of the above. I'll be adding actual articles in a bit. -- OlofE

-- A few more suggestions:

Hugo Alfvén Hannes Olof Gösta Alfvén           +W Nils Gustaf Dalén                  +W Hans Axel Fersen                   +W Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld Hampus von Post Ragnar Östberg

(I have written article on Christina Nilsson)

S. - Err... +W? I can't find anything for, for instance, von Fersen, Rudbeck or Dalén. I wrote a short one on Gustaf Dalén - haven't done anything about Dalen (ie setting e/é straight).

Rudbeck should be either Olaus Rudbeckius (latin form) or Olof Rudbeck (swedish form) - not a mix. von Fersen should be Axel von Fersen. Hannes Alfvén (no more than that). --Olofe

-- Fersen, see Marie Antoinette; he is thought to have been the Queen's lover. Moreover, he visited North America. Rudbeck, see History of anatomy. S. - Well, the EB1911 text is wrong :-P - the name is either Olof Rudbeck or Olaus Rudbeckius - I'd think the latin form would be the more international one, as for for instance Linnaeus. Sorry - I was sloppy reading what the +W really was (I had already seen and read the Antoinette part for instance). But mostly I wanted to flag for inconsistent names before somebody went ahead and made a lot of articles with too many names in them. -- OlofE 09:44 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC) Add - There is now a page for Olaus Rudbeckius. It needs more material but should serve in a pinch. While I'm at it - Bruno Liljefors (no more or it won't match any Swedish source). Also, John Fabian Carlson? Who is that? The Swedish National Encyclopedia doesn't mention anyone with that name, nor a John or Fabian. -- OlofE 10:29 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC)

Shortening the list
There has to be some criteria to distinguish which people who belong on the list and those who don’t. It is simply not sufficient just to be known only in a specific field or merely in Sweden or that matter. To be placed on the list there has to be at least some kind of international recognition and the limit should be set at an appropriate level to limit the list of becoming unwieldy. I have introduced a structure where less significant names may be placed in separate articles relating to specific fields and where the standards should be at a lower level. Currently I feel that the list for “Sports” might be quite long but the names generally have sufficient recognition to warrant a listing.

It could be the case that some of the names that have been weeded out actually belong on the list and the opposite that some names left in the list does not belong there. The current reject candidates, whom of which many might qualify to a list of lower dignity were:

Actors

Dolph Lundgren Victor Sjöström Åke Söderblom Ingrid Thulin

Artists

Elsa Beskow -- painter 1874-1953 Carl Oscar Borg 1879-1947 John Fabian Carlson -- painter 1875-1945 Michael Dahl -- painter, 1659-1743 Per Hasselberg -- sculptor Carl Fredrik Hill -- 1849-1911 Eugène Jansson - 1862-1915 Elias Martin -- 1739-1818 Claes Oldenburg -- sculptor (born 1929) Carl Gustaf Pilo -- painter 1711-1793 Oscar Gustave Rejlander --photographer 1813-1875 Kent Ullberg sculptor (born 1945) Carl Fredrik von Breda -- painter 1759-1818 Adolf-Ulrik Wertmuller -- painter 1751-1811

Music

Anders Glenmark – singer Adolf Fredrik Lindblad -- composer Kurt Magnus Atterberg -- composer Håkan Hagegård – baritone Tommy Körberg -- singer Tomas Ledin -- singer Joseph Martin Kraus -- composer Lars-Erik Larsson – composer Agnetha Fältskog -- ABBA Anni-Frid Lyngstad -- ABBA Per-Uno Undertun -- guitarist ABBA -- pop group S.P.O.C.K -- space pop group

Science Johann Arfvedson -- chemist Elias Magnus Fries -- taxonomist Johan Gadolin -- chemist Aristid Lindenmayer -- biologist Nils Gabriel Sefström -- chemist Peter Nilson – astronomer Svante Arrhenius -- scientist Svante Pääbo -- biologist, geneticist Sverre Sjölander --  zoologist Erik Waller -- historian of medicine Martin P:n Nilsson -- historian of religions

Sports Gert Fredriksson -- canoer Gillis Grafström -- figure skater Ove Kindvall - football player Jonny Nilsson - speed skater

Writers Wilhelm Ekelund – poet Torgny Lindgren – novelist Marianne Fredriksson -- novelist

Other Jan Berglin -- journalist Jan Troell -- director Arvid Carlsson -- medical researcher Percy Barnevik – business leader

Also added Finland-Swedish people under a separate headline to the list. These people are not of Swedish, but of Finnish nationality. They are however Swedish speaking and culturally Swedish.

/ Mic 21:28 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

I agree with your idea and the ones selected for rejection are mostly good choices. The following are the only ones (of those rejected) that I feel are relevant in an international context,

ABBA, possibly ABBA members too Torgny Lindgren

Percy Barnevik, Håkan Hagegård, Wilhelm Ekelund are next in line but should probably be left out of the main list. In a topical list, they're all given.

Keep:

Victor Sjöström - internationally acclaimed, mainly because of his works with Ingmar Bergman

Elsa Beskow - also internationally acclaimed, at least in Europe and especially in Germany

C. F. Hill - he's a friggin' giant for crying out loud! Probably bigger abroad than in Sweden.

I agree with the above post about ABBA.

Jan Troell - has any Swedish director been nominated for an Oscar more often than him lately?

Arvid Carlsson - Oh, he's only the man behind some of the medical/neurochemical sciences' most important discoveries of the last century and the latest Swedish Nobel Prize laureate... ;)

I appreciate the difficulties of inclusion/exclusion criteria involved here, Mic, but do you reckon Fredrik Reinfeldt (recently appointed conservative party leader) has any "international recognition"? Even a little bit?

Another point, maybe nitpicking, on the politicians list: I'm all for making an effort to include eminent Swedish women, but, still, if Alva Myrdal is there, oughtn't Gunnar Myrdal to be as well? He's a lot better known internationally than she is, in the US especially. --Bishonen 23:27, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Music section
Mic? I'm not sure about the edit I just made, changing singer/songwriter to singer-songwriter in four places, in order to be able to wikilink. I understand that my version doesn't go so well with musician/composer, and also that singer-songwriter is subtly different in meaning, being one word - it's more Bob Dylan than Bellman. (I've used the word, I think appropriately, about Cornelis in the article about him.) Perhaps getting a link isn't worth all that - you're absolutely free to revert, of course. Bishonen 16:56, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Gunnar Johansson
Where should Gunnar Johansson be classified. What's a psychophysicist? --Edcolins 23:10, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

More Inclusive
This list should be more inclusive and not simply present links.

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THIS LIST IS ABSURD
This list needs shortening. Every single person who ever played in a band need not be on here, especially when there are SEPARATE pages for Swedish musicians, athletes, etc. I'm going to do a broad clean up, I'm sorry if I go too far in any instance.

For future reference, this page needs some form of criteria for what should or shouldn't be on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.182.59.88 (talk) 12:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

The Colbert Report reference
removed :) --67.222.192.96 (talk) 03:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't be so quick to pat yourself on the back yet. I'd recommend a temporary lock on the page. Jasper420  03:51, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

You make me sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.11.150.84 (talk) 03:52, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

You are a bad person and you should feel bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.220.78 (talk) 04:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I am a bad person. Also a bit drunk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.11.150.84 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I am a drunk person. Also a bit bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.11.150.84 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.132.157 (talk)

Television programmes are citable references, Stephen Colbert has stated his swedish and people should be taken as truthful unless you can present definitive evidence to the contrary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.152.9 (talk) 11:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Weeding
I'm far from sure I'm convinced this article is a good idea from the very beginning, but as it exists, I've been trying to weed it every now and then, as people are inclined to want to include themselves/their friends/people they admire. A red link should be a dead giveaway they don't belong here, for example, but even those who easily pass the threshold of notability to have a Wikipedia article may be a bad fit here. For example, I've removed a reference to the undoubtly notable Youtube video game commentator PewDiePie from the list of other notable Swedes, not because no one knows who he is, but because he might not have played the fairly central role in history that the others have.

But this kind of list is almost per definition an arbitrary endeavour. /Julle (talk) 11:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm reluctant to keep removing names on my own, as this article is by no means mine more than it's anyone else's, but as has been stated above, we need some sort of criteria. Thousands and thousands of Swedes have been notable enough to merit articles on Wikipedia. Many of them have undoubtly been well known. Including all of them makes the list unusable. They ought to have played a central role within the history of Sweden and/or their field and have left a lasting impact, to begin with. /Julle (talk) 16:11, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


 * A reminder that I don't want to give the impression that I own this article (I'm not even sure we should have it), so please, if you disagree with what I've tried to do with it, please comment here and we might reach a better decision. /Julle (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Removing redlinks seems reasonable, but other than that, it's difficult to argue either for or against particular names. What are the actual inclusion criteria for lists like this anyway?
 * Peter Isotalo 08:12, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's half the problem: it can't be everyone who's notable for their own article, for that would make the list pointless and impossibly long. So it's always going to be arbitrary. I'd suggest deletion, because there's no way we can make this a good article or working list. /Julle (talk) 07:06, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * How about comparing with similar lists of people of certain ethnicities? If there are no useful criteria or guidelines for inclusion, I would certainly support deletion.
 * Peter Isotalo 10:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I would support removal of this (and if it is to stay I definitely don't support the removal of Alice Babs, while A-Teens and Agnes Karlsson remain. Which only shows that we all have our own arbitrary preferences and prejudices, and mine are no more valid than anyone else's, but it's a sign that this list will never be wholly meaningful.) Why not simply have it as a repository for the various links to "List of Swedish [x]", since all those links are on the page anyway? --bonadea contributions talk 19:58, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * List of lists of Swedish people. /Julle (talk) 20:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . I think the list of lists solution might be the best choice. There are plenty of nation states that have a list (Category:Lists of people by nationality), but given the number of articles we have for Swedish people, an exhaustive list would be too big to manage. Stricter inclusion criteria are difficult to communicate/implement. I'd support making this into a navigational disambiguation page, much like it was, but including all of the lists from Category:Lists of Swedish people and perhaps some of the subcategories. Perhaps it should be moved to a new title as well Should this be called List of lists of Swedish people or Lists of Swedes?  gobonobo  + c 11:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Gobonobo: List of list of Swedes, I think. /Julle (talk) 13:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Empty?
With it being empty like that it looks like it was ripped apart by a vandal. Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 03:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)