Talk:List of military aircraft of the Soviet Union and the CIS

Lists proposal
On WikiProject Aircraft I have started a proposal for how lists of aircraft could be rationalised on wikipedia. If you're interested, let's discuss it there -- Cabalamat 03:22, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Tupolev SB-2bis
Please, check the http://www.aviation.ru/Tu/#ANT-40 page and try to figure out which one SB should match this name.

I grant the right to use any data from aviation.ru for Wikipedia projects.

--jno 12:33, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Recategorize?
Right now the information is a bit jumbled, and for a person unfamiliar with specific aircraft types can be difficult to navigate. Shouldn't it be arranged by time period as well? Something like and so on? Flyboy Will 22:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * WWI
 * - Attack
 * - Fighter
 * - etc;
 * 1919-1939
 * - Attack
 * - Fighter
 * - etc;
 * WWII
 * - Attack
 * - Fighter
 * - etc;
 * It'd be nice to have indicies in wikipedia... But we have only lists and categories here. Hence, one may just add text to aircraft designation to specify, say, years. Or use lists, like Timeline_of_aviation one inside Aviation lists

or something like Category:Soviet_military_trainer_aircraft_1940-1949. --jno 12:12, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Pre WWII
Anybody interested in adding a list of pre-war craft (including airships), as well as Imperial airforce machines? Crocodilicus 14:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Why some design bureaus, and not others?
This list seems to focus on the design bureaus which existed after World War 2, which means important aircraft such as the Polikarpov I-16 are not included in the list, even though good articles on them already exist on Wikipedia.


 * You're welcome to add them if you like. I added most of the pictures on the article, livening it up, I'm sure you can do such a thing. - RPharazon 22:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW, there are "Categories" in the Wiki. This list probably should be turned into "humanized" version of "category" pages directory, shouldn't it? --jno 14:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect ambiguous name
OK guys, the list is interesting and important, but it's name is ambiguous for following reasons:
 * encyclopedically, not all former Soviet republics joined CIS. Some of the CIS members are going to withdraw from the Commonwealth. But all of them certainly do use (or maybe modernize) military aircraft, mostly those Soviet-designed. Thus, the name is unadequately narrowing the subject
 * practically, CIS is not a purely military organization (or rather mostly non-military). Moreover, some of its members never joined th CIS military institutions and are seeking NATO membership. That's why CIS definition has little in common with military aviation equipment.

So I suggest to rename the article to "List of military aircraft of the Soviet Union and the post-Soviet countries". Other thoughts?AlexPU 19:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Su-17 vs Su-20/22

 * 1) Folks, Su-20/22 are for export only, they never entered service in the Soviet Air Force and should not be listed here. AFAIU.
 * 2) The Su-17/20/22 are "fighter-bombers". So, why are they listed in "fighters" section?
 * --jno 09:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Maritime patrol category?
I think this category is needed for Ilyushin Il-38
 * And Tupolev Tu-142 and Tu-95MR --jno 12:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Table format & pics
I've temporarily blocked out the images pending a good idea on how to integrate them with the new table format. Any thoughts on how to best accomplish this without leaving lots of white space? Or, since this is a flat list, need there be any pics at all? Askari Mark | Talk 16:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, does anybody know how to expand the only final column so that the whole table spans the full width of the page (without distorting the others)? I'm looking for a way to code it to work automatically rather than play around trying to find the exact field size needed for each and every table. Thanks, Askari Mark | Talk 17:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Su-30 M
Maybe current the remarks for it should be changed because it is about Russia not the Soviet.


 * Per the title, this list covers the aircraft of the USSR and the CIS successors to the USSR, which include modern Russia. Askari Mark (Talk) 22:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Then why was my remarks about Russia removed? Kboom 07:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it was about its now being exported - which belongs in the article itself as this list is just a list of the aircraft. My apologies; my edit note should have been clearer. Askari Mark (Talk) 15:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to list only aircraft that achieved operational status in their respective categories, and putting all prototype-only models in the existing "Experimental" category.
It would clean the categories right up, and eliminate confusion which is already present by removing (potentially huge numbers of) never-operational, low-production models from those categories and putting them in the "Experimental" category where they belong.