Talk:List of ongoing armed conflicts/Archive 9

Khuzestan
Several were killed in Khuzestan, which might be related with the Arab insurgency in Khuzestan, but the Iranian PressTV claimed that the cell members were "Takfiri" (ISIL). Can anyone verify with a more reliable source?GreyShark (dibra) 07:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Yemeni-Saudi casualties update
How would you update the death toll for 2015 and 2016 for Yemeni/Saudi casualties? We have a final count for 2015 for Yemen which is 5979 on top of 46 casualties before the War started. Total for Yemen is quite clear at 6025. But for Saudi Arabia we have also a deathtoll of 375 civilians in Saudi Arabia since March 2015, published in 1 February 2016 with also a source quoting "80 mostly soldiers". I would tend to indicate ~400 for Saudi Arabia in 2015. Wykx (talk) 21:03, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * This means that the map should have Saudi Arabia in orange instead of yellow. 197.48.78.55 (talk) 13:13, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅, thanks. Nykterinos (talk) 14:58, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Tunisia
A branch of ISIL has begun insurgency in Tunisia in summer 2015. Since then, 39 were killed in 2015 Sousse attacks, 13 people were killed in a suicide bombing and most recently 58 people were killed in fire exchanges between Tunisian Army and ISIL on the border with Libya. Another earlier attack in March 2015 with 24 deaths was blamed on Okba Ibn Nafaa Brigade, but ISIL claimed responsibility. Anyway, we are over 100 cumulative deaths, which warrants inclusion. Adding ISIL insurgency in Tunisia.GreyShark (dibra) 10:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Isn't it already included in Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present) ? We have now casualties counted twice. Wykx  (talk) 10:58, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * As Wykx said, last year's deaths in Tunisia in the attacks you mentioned were included in the Maghreb insurgency. I would favour not listing Tunisia separately (we could link ISIL insurgency in Tunisia as a subconflict of the Maghreb insurgency), unless the conflict in Tunisia reaches a higher intensity. The Northern Mali conflict was listed separately in the last few years, but it also involved non-islamist (Tuareg) rebels. By the way, I see we have not included in the Maghreb insurgency the recent terrorist attacks in Burkina Faso and Ivory Coast, and I also think it's better to exclude them, because they are not really part of an ongoing armed conflict in those countries but more one-off attacks. Nykterinos (talk) 14:23, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * There are various groups (mostly AQIM fronts) that have been waging an insurgency in central and southern Tunisia for the past several years. See Ansar al-Sharia (Tunisia) and Chaambi Operations. These insurgent operations are directly part of the Insurgency in the Maghreb and are part of AQIM's campaign to control the entire region.XavierGreen (talk) 14:58, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Two problems - one is that Maghreb insurgency is AQIM insurgency, while recent attacks are by ISIL (spillover of the Libyan War). Second issue is that Maghreb mostly refers to Morocco in Arabic (sometimes also to Algeria and Tunisia), so the article name is incorrect in the first place. I would suggest to rename Maghreb insurgency to AQIM insurgency to be more specific.GreyShark (dibra) 19:23, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Isn't the Maghreb is generally North Africa minus Egpyt and plus Mauritania? Also, the AQIM operates outside of the geographical Maghreb, mainly in Mali. But it seems that there need to be a split between the 'casual' Islamist insurgency in the Maghreb and the IS insurgency. The IS in general is always a third (or forth) beligerent and it represent an entirely different ideology than most other groups.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 20:41, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It might be, but generally if you say Maghreb you mean Morocco (its official name in Arabic is المغرب al-Maghrib). The North Africa coast is by the way historically named Barbary Coast (Tamazgha), while since the emergence of the Arab League there has been a tendency to increasingly Arabize the names and territories in North Africa and Middle East, so over the past decades Maghreb was re-utilized as a Caliphatic place-name.GreyShark (dibra) 12:54, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * But in Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Philippines we don't separate IS from other movements, so why in Tunisia? Wykx  (talk) 21:36, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Because in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen there is an all-out civil war and the states are failed (do not exist as geopolitical entities any more); i'm not familiar with ISIL activity in the Philippines.GreyShark (dibra) 11:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, does it mean we have to remove ISIL from Insurgency_in_the_Maghreb_(2002–present)? Wykx  (talk) 12:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think yes, and we should rename that article to be more clear on scope (what is Maghreb and who wages insurgency).GreyShark (dibra) 12:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Maghreb is constituted by Lybia, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Mauritania. If you wish to remove ISIL from Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present) you should discuss it first on its talk page. Wykx  (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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Green and red arrows for deaths per country
Currently green indicates deaths falling and red increasing. I understand that this represents green being good as deaths are falling and the opposite for red but at first glance to me it looked contradictory to the way the arrows are normally used for green increasing and red falling. What are other people's views on just the arrow showing the rise/fall or should the colours be switched to represent how they would in the vast majority of other documents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSwagasaurusRex (talk • contribs) 18:49, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The template used is this. The wikipedia guideline says that those arrows should be used "in cases where a symbol is needed to represent an increase that is "bad" or a decrease that is "good", such as a rise or fall in road accident fatalities". It seems reasonable to me. Nykterinos (talk) 22:36, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

ISIL in Turkey
Over the past couple of years we have a line of ISIL bombings in Turkey directed against Kurds and recently against government. It is much over 100 killed in those incidents, so it may warrant inclusion (as Turkey-ISIS conflict). Considering that Turkey is still a functional state, then PKK insurgency, Maoist insurgency in Turkey, DHKP/C insurgency in Turkey and now ISIL insurgency all can have an article of their own being separate events (though ISIL does target pro-PKK sites and peoples).GreyShark (dibra) 11:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * What sources do we have for more than 100 casualties in Turkey (not in Syria)? Wykx  (talk) 12:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ISIL activity of bombings sum up to more than 100 killed in Turkish territory during 2015-16: 2015 Diyarbakır rally bombings (4 killed), 2015 Suruç bombing (33 killed), 2015 Ankara bombings (103 killed), January 2016 Istanbul bombing (14 killed), March 2016 Istanbul bombing (5 killed). I'm not including Reyhanlı bombings and 2015 Istanbul suicide bombing, whose perpetrators are disputed.GreyShark (dibra) 12:46, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * OK That makes sense. Wykx  (talk) 16:05, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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Turkey color
Why is Turkey till Orange on the map? I know the PKK casualties include a lot of Iraqi bombing raid victims, but the 2015 deathtoll inside Turkey is surely over 1,000 when you combined PKK, TAK and ISIS actions + Turkish government actions as well. Anyone? Skycycle (talk) 11:58, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You are right. I want to change it but my InkScape is broken.. If you can, do it.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 12:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Because there is no source that this happened in Turkey. The only source mentioning south-east Turkey was putting the deathtoll there at 150 in 2015. It would be great to look at it a bit deeper. This conflict is difficult to follow... Wykx  (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * for the moment we treat Turkey-PKK conflict and ISIL insurgency in Turkey as two separate conflicts, though they clearly intersect (ISIL is bombing both Kurdish and Turkish targets, while Turkey is bombing Kurds, sometimes also dropping a bomb or two on ISIL).GreyShark (dibra) 18:47, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

South Thailand
✅ Wykx  (talk) 05:34, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Added new source for South Thailand insurgency, pushing 2015 casualties from 67 to 240+. I already moved it in the article, but could someone also update the map from yellow to orange? Skycycle (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Skycycle (talk) 21:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh
Massive casualties in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict over the past few days. It seems this new cycle of violence is making it to go one level up: above 100 killed from January and possibly closing to 1000 - a full scale war.GreyShark (dibra) 18:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, a large flare-up of violence indeed, although as of right now we are at 47 minimum confirmed casualties (20+10 Karabakh 15+2 Azerbaijan). Given the large number of MIAs and the fact that it may take days (at least) for a ceasefire to take hold, we might cross 100 even if it de-escalates soon. Skycycle (talk) 21:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I just moved it up a category, if someone could change the color on the map that would be great too. The minimum toll for 2016 now stands at 135 - 6 prior to the clashes, at least 129 soldiers (88 Karabakh and 31 Azerbaijan) and 10 civilians during the clashes. The Azeri toll has been reported to be as high as 93, so the overall could increase more as time goes by and more information comes out. Skycycle (talk) 08:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

The War in North-West Pakistan death toll is wrong
It must consider only the deaths that occurred in FATA district and not those that occurred across Pakistan. The deaths occurred in FATA district in 2015 are 1882 and 237 in 2016, updated to April 3, you can see the sources at this link.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/fatilities_regionwise.htm Gu2082 (talk) 22:36, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The KP district should also be included for sure. For the rest, we have a lot of casualties that should fall into a conflict. Perhaps we have to refine with more precise definitions of all the Pakistan conflicts. Wykx (talk) 11:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Brazil
More than 60,000 people were killed in Brazil in 2014. If the page considers 10k+ casualties a major war, then in Brazil we have a Third World War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.96.249.118 (talk) 21:18, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Criminality doesn't fall under the definition of conflict. Wykx  (talk) 21:24, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * According to Oxford Dictionary criminality does fall under the definition of conflict. "A serious disagreement or argument, typically a protracted one". The conflict between the police and the outlaws can be classified as civil war, in some areas of the country the rule of law does not occur, the state is nonexistent and armed groups dictates their own "laws"179.96.249.118 (talk) 21:33, 26 April 2016 (UTC)179.96
 * The article says:


 * "Armed conflicts consist in the use of armed force between two or more organized armed groups, governmental or non-governmental alike.[1] Interstate, intrastate and non-state armed conflicts are listed. For ongoing civil unrest and violence against protesters not escalating into armed conflict, see List of ongoing protests."


 * So criminality in Brazil is not an armed conflict.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 22:11, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Sudan
So I found out that there are several conflicts involving Sudan here. They are: War in Darfur, Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile, Sudanese nomadic conflicts and the South Sudanese Civil War. The problem is highlighted. It's like having in the list the "War on Terror" or "Arab Winter". The Sudanses nomadic conflicts include all the conflicts that already exist in this list, therefore, it should be removed. I am bringing this here to make sure I am not wrong.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 18:26, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The Sudanese Nomadic conflicts generally involve tribes of Sudanese herders raiding each other, it is apart from the conflicts in South Sudan, Darfur, and South Kordofan. Since they are organized paramilitary groups, they qualify for the list.12.10.199.12 (talk) 19:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes you are right, I got confused by the number of conflicts. But how do we even list the casualties? We have ACLED data for demostration and conflict fatalities but not always the reason for death and those conflict occure on the same places. The Sudanese nomadic conflict occur in south Sudan but this have already esculated to a civil war when South Sudan got independent and it also occure in West Kordofan, which is also where the Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile occure and also in Darfur where the War in Darfur occures.. The conflict in South Kordofan also interwind with the War in Darfur... This whole subject is messy... What do we do? Should we just list all conflicts as Sudanese Civil Wars and list all the conflicts below?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 20:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * In South Sudan just one conflict is listed, the South Sudanese Civil War. In Sudan, the three conflicts (War in Darfur, Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile and Sudanese nomadic conflicts) can be distinguished on the basis of their actors and locations: different rebel groups in the War in Darfur and the South Kordofan conflict (different locations, too), ethnic militias in the Sudanese nomadic conflicts (even if they take place in Darfur and West Kordofan, they don't involve rebel groups but herders, as explained above). ACLED gives data on both location and actors involved, so it's possible to have data on fatalities for all three conflicts. Nykterinos (talk) 21:08, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Ireland (re-)inclusion?
In light of the recent CIRA attack in Dublin I decided to check the overall death toll for the Dissident Irish Republican campaign from 1998 to 2016, in order to see if it fits the 100+ casualties parameter, so we can include it in the article again. I looked at the three main active groups and their activities, using Timeline of Real Irish Republican Army actions, Óglaigh na hÉireann (Real IRA splinter group) and Chronology of Continuity Irish Republican Army actions. Here is what I came up with in terms of number of people killed and injured due to the actions of these groups, including security forces, civilians, and members of the groups themselves:

(updated March 8 2016)
 * RIRA - at least 49 killed, at least 309 injured (large part of these are due to the Omagh bombing, which killed 29 and injured 220)
 * CIRA - at least 5 killed, at least 113 injured (including the casualties from the latest attack)
 * OnH - 0 killed, at least 7 injured

So it appears that while the overall article box needs an update to (at least) 54 killed since 1998, it is not enough to include on our list, correct? Skycycle (talk) 15:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree. Keeping it on the incubator watch list, but that is it.GreyShark (dibra) 22:37, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The casualties are likely higher than the figure quoted above. The Provisional IRA was also still active during the early part of the dissident campaign and several casualties resulted from its actions. See List of chronologies of Provisional Irish Republican Army actions. Despite the ceasefire, some cells of the PIRA have continued to conduct occasional operations (largely of a retributory nature), and some of these more active/ rouge cells have since merged into the RIRA.XavierGreen (talk) 16:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Greyshark09 is there an actual list of conflicts that are just shy of the requirements for inclusion. Like Ireland, Laos, Paraguay, etc? Skycycle (talk) 22:51, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * - sure, see WikiProject_Military_history/Incubator/Ongoing_conflicts.GreyShark (dibra) 17:54, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The Dissident Irish Republican campaign has now been added to the table by User:Leanseahy. Can someone more expert than me check the sources and the fatalities count? Thanks, Nykterinos (talk) 23:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Just checked the source provided, it does not list the suggested 178 deaths, and as my own (quick) search above suggested, the deaths might be significantly lower. Removing it for now, we can discuss it here in the meantime. Skycycle (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 187 people have died in the Dissident Irish Republican campaign since 1998. 168 of those were in the North and 19 in the South. The sources for this: http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/deathsfrom2002draft.html, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1998.html, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1999.html, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/2000.html, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/2001.html

Those sources are from a database that list every death ever during the Troubles and the ensuing dissident Loyalist and Republican campaigns. That was my criteria for reinclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leanseahy (talk • contribs) 14:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

India–Pakistan border skirmishes
Should India–Pakistan border skirmishes (2014–present) be part of list? Spirit Ethanol (talk) 21:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * They are part of an already included Kashmir conflict--Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Afghanistan source needed
Last year we had good monthly reports on Afghanistan but I couldn't find a source in TOLOnews and currently Afghanistan is badly outdated. Someone have a monthly source or something? I searched but didn't find--Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:47, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * They still publish their security report. The one for January is Nearly 700 Attacks Occurred in January: TOLOnews Security Report. Wykx  (talk) 13:27, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That link refers to the report on January 2015. It seems they have not published the report on January 2016 yet. By the way, I don't know how reliable those reports are: they are not so widely cited in the press (unlike SOHR, for example), and, when compared with other sources, they seem to downplay Afghan security forces and civilian fatalities while exaggerating Taliban fatalities. The overall death toll may still be plausible, though. Nykterinos (talk) 15:19, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Clarification for Israeli-Palestinian conflict
For edit by

This source includes twelve Israeli victims of terror in 2016. Out of them, there are three who died in the Ankara Bombing that were recognize as terror victims (the source doesn't talk about IPC victims but terror victims in general) and therefore a simple filter will imply that nine were killed in the context of the IPC. The reason why I added this source was because the OCHA source for some odd reason list four Israelis, but in general there were eight Israeli casualties and another American citizen who in addition to dying in an attack, was also recognzied by Israel as a terror victim, so he is in the list. Can I put back the source or there's more to discuss?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 20:17, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The source you provided lists Israeli citizens killed by attacks in Istanbul, for example, which was an attack by IS and has NOTHING to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. For now let's stick to OCHA, it is certainly official and comprehensive enough, we do not need more sources. Skycycle (talk) 09:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You did not understand. The OCHA source lists four Israeli casualties. The MFA lists eleven Israeli casualties and one American citizen. If we filter the attack in Istanbul which claimed the lives of three Israeli citizen we remain with eight Israelis and one American. The OCHA does not spesify who they consider an Israeli casualty but according to the MFA:


 * 3 killed in a shooting attack on Tel Aviv on January.
 * 1 killed in a stabbing attack in Otniel, West Bank on January.
 * 1 killed in a stabbing attack in the Jordan Vally, West Bank on January.
 * 1 killed in a stabbing and shooting attack in East Jerusalem on February.
 * 1 killed in a stabbing attack in Sha'ar Binyamin, West Bank on February.
 * 1 killed from friendly fire during a stabbing attack in Gush Etzion, West Bank on February.
 * 1 American citizen killed from stabbing attack in Jaffa port on March.


 * Therefore we have eight Israelis and one American citizens who died in the context of the IPC and they are not listed for some unknown reason in the OCHA source. (The American citizen is probably not listed becuase the OCHA only list Israelis.).
 * Still, is there more to discuss?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 10:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Got it now, thank you for the clarification. No idea why OCHA does not list the attacks, I think we need to confirm them via a second source however. Would it be possible to find alternate sources for all of the incidents, post them here? As long as we have another confirmation, it should be fine. Skycycle (talk) 05:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * 3 in 2016 Tel Aviv shooting
 * 1 in Otniel
 * 1 in Jordan Vally
 * 1 in Jerusalem
 * 1 in Sha'ar Binyamin
 * 1 in Jerusalem (from friendly fire during an attack)
 * 1 American citizen in 2016 Tel Aviv stabbings--Bolter21 (talk to me) 11:59, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Mexico
We might overthink to list Mexico as a Major war (16,660 Fatalities)? http://www.iiss.org/en/about%20us/press%20room/press%20releases/press%20releases/archive/2016-3b31/may-2fc6/acs-2016-press-release-b853 -- 14:50, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * We may add 16,660 as higher estimate, but I would leave the lower estimate (based on a source which was used for the past years, too) and therefore continue listing Mexico in the 1,000-9,999 deaths table. Nykterinos (talk) 14:16, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

The war in Mexico is not an armed conflict
The war in Mexico should not be considered as armed conflict, most of the deaths are due to a general crime and organized crime. When you consider the war in Mexico as armed conflict you should also consider the conflicts in El Salvador, Honduras, Belize and Guatemala. In these states the number of murders due to organized crime and the gangs clash is more than Mexico. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gu2082 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * In Mexico, the government has used its military in an organized campaign against cartels which have a well organized paramilitary structure. In the other states you have mentioned, there is no evidence that has been presented that there are organized armed paramilitary or military forces engaged in sustained armed conflict with one another.XavierGreen (talk) 13:38, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Colombia conflict
Dear Sir or Madame,

i tried to update the "Colombian Conflict" section, but it says a reference is out-of-place.

Would you please help me fix this problem, as the colour red is visible on the front page, informing the reader their is something wrong.

All the best, L.

The Colombian conflict is not over, The marxist rebel group ELN is still fighting the Government — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucky to be me (talk • contribs) 09:25, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

New image request
Can we get a version of this that shows specific locations of conflicts rather than shading huge geographic regions. This map makes it seem like the entirety of Russia and China are embroiled in Civil War or something.--Prisencolin (talk) 23:48, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You’re right that having a map showing specific locations would be preferable, but colouring only the subnational areas where violence takes place (like in this map) would be extremely difficult and controversial. It was attempted in the past (see this map), but the project was abandoned as impractical. An alternative which could be tried is keeping the map’s colours as they are (colouring whole countries), but adding small dots to mark the location of the (approximate) centre of each armed conflict (like in this map, p. 7). In this way, one could see where the centre of the conflict is within a country, if there is more than one conflict in a particular country, etc. Do other editors agree with adding dots to the map? If there’s consensus, I can do it. Nykterinos (talk) 15:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

N. Ireland dissident campaign
Very well, I have revised down the deaths figures for the Irish conflict. I removed all deaths where it was uncertain as to whether they were related to the conflict or not. The figures now stand at 156 deaths in total, 1 in 2015 and 1 in 2016. Thus the conflict is most definitely eligible for inclusion on this list as I was previously stated. You threatened to report me and so I will not attempt to add it again for now but hopefully you will finally agree that it is obviously an active conflict and following the conditions of inclusion, it should be on this page.

Another thing I would say is that the name of the conflict should be changed on Wikipedia. While dissident republicans have been the principle non-state combatants in recent years, dissident Loyalist groups have also killed many people, particularly earlier in the conflict. Either way, it is undeniable that 156 have died and that there were deaths both in 2015 and in 2016. Leanseahy (talk) 21:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If you can point to a reliable source which states that more than 100 people have been killed in the conflict, I would support inclusion.XavierGreen (talk) 23:13, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * This is a reliable source: http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/index.html. It's an online database of all source material compiled by Ulster University. It is perhaps the most thorough and reliable source of any conflict ever, yet it doesn't seem to be enough for the people who insist on removing the conflcit every time I add it. Once again, here are the specific links relating to the ongoing conflict: http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1998.html, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1999.html, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/2000.html, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/2001.html, http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/deathsfrom2002draft.htm. 156 people have tragically died in this conflict since 1998, including 1 in 2015 and 1 so far n 2016. It is perfectly eligible for inclusion and so should be. Leanseahy (talk) 11:05, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Philippine drug war
I wonder if the Philippine Drug War can be considered an actual armed conflict like the Mexican drug war or not. Two or more organized armed groups fighting each other is the requisite for inclusion in this list according to our guidelines. In Mexico, we have organized and armed drug cartels fighting each other and the government. Is there something comparable in the Philippines, or is it just police killings of unorganized druck traffickers, as the infobox of the related article suggests? Nykterinos (talk) 22:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * From reading the pertinent article, I don't see any evidence that the are paramilitary bodies with an organized command structure fighting the central government. As such I don't think it meets the inclusion criteria.XavierGreen (talk) 23:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Casamance Conflict
ACLED reported a conflict event on 24/04/2016 that consisted of the the Military of Senegal and the MFDC fighting and listed that there were "heavy losses". Since the Casamance Conflict has claimed more than 5,000 lives since 1982 these recent casualties would qualify it as a active armed conflict once again. http://sidisanneh.blogspot.com/2016/04/senegal-army-kills-several-mfdc-rebels.html Here is a link to an article about the clash. YND8 (talk) 02:17, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The source you provided is not reliable, but there indeed seems to be recent fighting between Senegal and MFDC this year (see Amnesty report). Agree to reinclude it.GreyShark (dibra) 06:04, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Map update

 * I noticed there are a few countries that need to have their colors updated on the map, if anyone has the time to do it - Bangladesh needs to go from yellow to orange, and Mexico from red to dark red. Skycycle (talk) 07:03, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Wykx  (talk) 08:14, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've changed Mexico back to red because the death toll had been updated including all homicides, not only those related to the drug war (about half of the total). --Nykterinos (talk) 21:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Turkey's colour on the map
I’ve coloured Turkey red on the map. According to the Turkish government, around 2,500 PKK rebels were killed in south-eastern Turkey since July 2015, which means that more than 1,000 people were killed in Turkey in the current or past year, or in both. According to this source, more than 1,000 people died in south-eastern Turkey in just the last three months. Nykterinos (talk) 16:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, definitely a war by now.GreyShark (dibra) 21:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

ISIL attacks in the West
It seems that by now ISIL operative and copy-cut attacks have become a campaign of terror in the West. I'm not sure whether we should make separate articles for each country (ISIL attack in France, ISIL attacks in US, etc.), or a single article ISIL terrorism in the West or similar. If we go for the latter - it is certainly valid for inclusion in the list, with couple of hundreds killed by now.GreyShark (dibra) 10:03, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Nah, such article will be a blog-like news feed.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 14:35, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think there's no need for more "terrorism" articles, as all relevant material is already included in articles on terrorism by country (Terrorism in France, Terrorism in the United States, etc.). An article on "ISIL terrorism in the West" would be problematic also because there's no clear-cut definition of "the West" (would Turkey and Russia be included?), and may be original research (the link with ISIL may be debatable, too, as in Orlando). Finally, I would be wary of including articles on "terrorism" in this list of armed conflicts: we generally include terrorist attacks when they are part of a wider armed conflict fought between armed groups, not if they are isolated attacks. Nykterinos (talk) 17:16, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, there is certainly a war against ISIS in the mid-east and north africa, with several western counties participating. Technically, ISIL operations in the West are the Spillover of the Syrian Civil War with such logic.GreyShark (dibra) 21:17, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we should all put this aside and make articles about happy things insteed of wars and death. Have a good day. Now seriously I don't think we need an article for every presence of a terror cell, with direct or indirect relation to ISIS. There won't be much to write in that article. All the information can be found in List of terrorist incidents linked to ISIL or War on ISIS.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 22:51, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

New Kurdish rebellion in West Iran
I'm following on the recently erupting Kurdish rebellion in West Iran - some 40 people killed over the past two months, prompting its possible upgrade to 100+ soon in case the violence continues at such a rate.GreyShark (dibra) 13:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

2016 Eritrean–Ethiopian border skirmish
According to Eritrean claim 200 Ethiopian soldiers were killed, which justifies inclusion in the 100+ section. Can we verify the Ethiopian casualty statement on the event?GreyShark (dibra) 13:29, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * With more insight, it seems to be part of the Second Afar insurgency.GreyShark (dibra) 15:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Its not part of the Afar insurgency, it had nothing to do with the Afar related militants. It was a direct engagement between Ethiopian and Eritrean militaries over Tserona, which the Ethiopeans occupy but is claimed by Eritrea. It has been in Ethiopean hands since the Eritrean-Ethiopian War It appears to have been a probing attack by the Eritrean military, either to test Ethiopean resolve in defending the occupied areas or to distract the Eritrean populace from domestic unrest. The Ethiopeans have refused to give a statement regarding their losses in the engagement and the Eritreans have refused to disclose their losses as well. It seems to have been a large scale battle, but neither side is releasing any details regarding the action.XavierGreen (talk) 01:25, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * So perhaps Second Afar insurgency along with the recent Tserona engagement are both part of the Eritrean-Ethiopian border conflict?GreyShark (dibra) 16:16, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That would be a correct assessment, Ethiopia and Eritrea regularly have minor skirmishes that are often not reported due to the tight media controls both countries place on military activity. The situation is akin to that on the Indo-Pakistani Border, heavily fortified with occasional skirmishing and rebel groups who raid across the border.XavierGreen (talk) 13:09, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What are the active years of this Eritrean-Ethiopian border conflict according to what you know? Since the end of the previous war?GreyShark (dibra) 10:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ?GreyShark (dibra) 06:41, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Its pretty much been going on since the war ended, in many respects its similar to the Armenia-Azeri conflict and the Indo-Pakistani conflict, with a heavy militarized border that sees skirmishing. There are various militant groups that the Eritreans support and use them as proxies to attack Ethiopia and that the Ethiopians support and use to attack Eritrea, just like Pakistan does to India. Occasionally the Ethiopians will conduct brief campaigns across the border to attack rebel training areas. XavierGreen (talk) 01:12, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * See here for information on the most recent Ethiopian offensive into Eritrea.XavierGreen (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Check out the new article Eritrean–Ethiopian border conflict.GreyShark (dibra) 15:09, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

N. Ireland dissident campaign
I can see that you added up the Dissident Irish Republican campaign with 178 deaths, but without opening a discussion on this topic as custom for the ongoing military conflict project (see WikiProject Military history/Incubator/Ongoing conflicts, where this list is relevant to). Of course if correct, this should be included; however we have debated this issue many times in the past and so far the majority of editors could not verify the 100+ death toll. Perhaps you are right, but i would like to hear opinions of other project members and guest editors before we include this. I must mention that the conflict is on our watch list, so we are aware of ongoing violence. Thanks.GreyShark (dibra) 15:16, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to have to repeat myself but I have provided sources to account for all 195 deaths. My reference is a databases that CALCULATES ALL DEATHS in the conflict. I'm trying to improve this page by adding another conflict and people keep removing it? WHy? I have very obviously provided clear evidence. Here is is AGAIN:http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/index.html; http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1998.html; http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1999.html; http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/2000.html; http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/2001.html; http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/deathsfrom2002draft.htm

These aren't dodgy sources, they are 100% reliable. I'm not trying to invent a war here, I am documenting a conflict. THere are other conflcits with similar numbers of deaths so I fail to see why a similar conflcit in Ireland doesn't count.User:Leanseahy 11:47, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Apologies, my figures were actually incorrect. The correct number of deaths is actually 175. This however would appear to be a reason to add this back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leanseahy (talk • contribs) 11:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I have removed the conflict, and I hope it's for the last time. Leanseahy we went over it a few times already, if you look at the page for 2015 for example, they clearly state that 3 of the 4 deaths are not directly linked to the conflict, yet you wrote that 4 people died in 2015. If you go further back in the years, the same thing happens. The 187 (or 175) figure is severely inflated, and as GreyShark pointed out, we already have a watch list page for conflicts that are 'about to possibly enter' the actual list - the actual death toll from the conflict post-1998 is lower. Furthermore, you should not just add and 're-add' stuff just because you think there 'appears to be a reason to add it', especially when it comes to something that has been an issue in the past. The vast majority of sources online do not even approach the kind of numbers we are seeing here, and for good reason. Please consider what I wrote, and of course be warned that any further actions of a similar kind will result in a report. Skycycle (talk) 06:45, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Kurdish separatism in Iran
According to insurgent sources the fatalities in recent rebellion already well above 100 for this year, though according to government - around 80.GreyShark (dibra) 17:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

2016 Niger Delta conflict
It is a subset of the conflict in the Niger Delta, so I don't see any point to delete the previous one. I suggest better to list the global conflict with a subset link to the 2016 Niger Delta conflict (if there are some casulaties, which I have not checked yet). Wykx (talk) 19:55, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The wider conflict is to be listed, similar to Somali civil war or Afghan civil war.GreyShark (dibra) 11:53, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Philippine Drug War
Two months have passed since this was suggested and it has yet to cease. There allegedly seems to be vigilante groups allegedly working against (with) the government or allegedly with the drug lords and there seems to be at least on incident with police fatalities Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 11:34, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you specify the groups?GreyShark (dibra) 12:35, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

RDC/Kananga
There is a conflict in Kananga, RDC where local chiefs have taken the airport against the central power. In two days, 107 fatalities including 7 from Central governement have been counted so far. See this link in French: with intense fighting between local militias and the army Can we create a new conflict page and include this new conflict in the list? Wykx (talk) 08:00, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not very much familiar with this event - is this a part of some ongoing or previous conflict?GreyShark (dibra) 15:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This conflict is new. It started after the death of the local chief in August 2016 after an attack at Tshimbulu resulting in 19 killed. . He was contesting the central power and was calling for insurrection until he was killed by the police. His son has asked the local governement to officialize his own enthronement, which the local government never did. Then a place 180 km far from Kananga has first been captured by the militia. Then the airport of Kananga has been captured before being retaken by the army, and that's when the deathtoll has risen suddenly. Now that situation is calm, the local executive has called now for discussions and solidarity of the population against the insurrection. According to the governement the deathtoll is provisional with 49 dead and 185 captured. Wykx  (talk) 18:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * So put it at the watchlist i guess. Let's see whether it develops further.GreyShark (dibra) 06:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Congo Brazzaville Pool Department Insurgency
Recently I have seen reports of armed conflict in the Pool Department in the Republic of Congo allegedly between the govt and members of the Ninja Milita. There have been conflicting reports over the amount of casualties, the opposition reporting hundreds and the govt much less. I am having a hard time finding reliable sources. Here are a few sources I found, some of questionable accuracy.

http://www.africanews.com/2016/10/06/humanitarian-situation-in-congo-s-pool-region/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/congo-brazzavillepool-shelling-killed-600-displaced-2000-claims-opposition-1555787

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35958458

http://www.sukissa.co.uk/?p=20128

http://www.sukissa.co.uk/?p=20219

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 * There were 47 victims according to ACLED. Wykx  (talk) 22:13, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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2017 data
Should I try to convert the page from 2015/2016 to 2016/2017? Alternatively, until that is ready, I suggest that we add the 2017 data on the talk page until the page is ready for conversion. Vissar2g (talk) 17:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes we can start the conversion. Wykx  (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Done(I think). Should I also change countries between categories on page based on 2016 data? Vissar2g (talk) 22:44, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Some of the changes are already done, a few are left. Can someone update the map accordingly as well, we have a discussion a bit further above on it, but stuff like Nigeria (to red), Ukraine, Cameroon (to orange), Chad (to yellow) is pretty sure for example. I tweeted ACLED about the yearly data for Africa and Asia, they said it might take some weeks until all of it is released publicly, so we will wait some time for many of the conflicts to have concrete 2016 data. Skycycle (talk) 23:30, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I added Nigeria (to red), and by the time ACLED is released we will probably have to make a few changes. I suspect Ethiopia and DRC will cross the 1000 casualty mark (but let's wait for data), and what about Saudi Arabia, do we know for a fact that more than 100 casualties occurred inside their territory during 2016? Also, any other map changes we are missing, I saw Wykx  is already making updates :) The ones I still see are Nigeria and potentially Saudi, not sure if I'm missing anything. Skycycle (talk) 23:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Don't hesitate to add comments if a change is missing or incorrect. I also realized we forgot to remove Djibouti since a long time ago! I also changed Israel to yellow. For Saudi Arabia the source gives 125. Wykx  (talk) 23:48, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Poor Djibouti, thanks for catching up. Seems like this is it for now map-wise, barring future updates. I'll get to looking for minor updates here and there if I can find any. A happy and successful 2017 to all! Skycycle (talk) 23:49, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ACLED data are now released for 2016. Wykx  (talk) 12:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * thank you, updates later today! Skycycle (talk) 14:54, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I've updated Boko Haram insurgency, CAR civil war, Mali conflict, Mozambique, Libya and Somalia per ACLED (+ on the side, every Pakistan & India conflict with the exception of the sectarian violence in Pakistan). Practically every other conflict on the African continent needs an update from ACLED, some of them from many months ago. Don't know if it's a good idea to either make it clear in the edit summary (like I did), or maybe also add it as a comment here when someone has updated a conflict. It will come in handy, especially when we get to updating the yearly chart at the bottom of the article. Skycycle (talk) 00:32, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Turkey-ISIL conflict per year
Since unfortunately Turkey has been quite the hot spot for terrorism in recent times, it's the first major update of the year. I will try to compile some sort of list of incidents below, using the main article and its sources, so we can update the overall toll. Skycycle (talk) 00:01, 2 January 2017 (UTC)


 * 2015 - 141 killed (+ 6 attackers)


 * January 3 - Istanbul, Sultahahmet Square - 1 killed
 * June 5 - 2015 Diyarbakır rally bombings - 4 killed
 * July 20 - 2015 Suruç bombing - 32 killed (+1 bomber)
 * July 23 - Elbeyli incident - 1 killed (+5 attackers)
 * October 10 - 2015 Ankara bombings - 103 killed


 * 2016 - 153 killed (+ 7 attackers)


 * January 12 - January 2016 Istanbul bombing - 13 killed (+ 1 bomber)
 * January - October - ISIL rocket attacks on Turkey (2016) - 22+ killed (at least 21 killed until May 16, 1 more killed from unexploded rocket on October 1)
 * March 19 - March 2016 Istanbul bombing - 4 killed (+ 1 bomber)
 * May 1 - May 2016 Gaziantep bombing - 2 killed (+ 1 bomber)
 * June 28 - 2016 Atatürk Airport attack - 45 killed (+ 3 bombers)
 * August 20 - August 2016 Gaziantep bombing - 56 killed (+ 1 bomber)
 * November 4 - November 2016 Diyarbakır bombing - 11 killed


 * 2017 - 39 killed


 * January 1 - 2017 Istanbul nightclub attack - 39 killed (suspected IS attack)

Total: 307 killed by the end of 2016, including at least 13 attackers
 * I agree - we should include ISIL insurgency in Turkey, but probably exclude ISIL-Turkey conflict casualties in Syrian territory (already counted as part of the Syrian War).GreyShark (dibra) 09:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the 2016 Kasese clashes
The November 2016 violence in Rwenzururu is no longer an ongoing event, as most of the fighting generally subsided after a massive raid on the Rwenzori royal palace. The Rwenzururu kingdom's royal guards are also no longer (actively) fighting or looking to fight the Ugandan government, they are surrendering and going through the judicial system. It would be misleading to claim that the violence is ongoing, as the clashes happened and ended within two days. (-> tl;dr it was a conflict in 2016, but is no longer an ongoing one) Centre Left Right  ✉ 02:04, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You're right, I've hidden the figures until we have final 2016 figures on the conflict, created 2016 conflict page that contain archives of the 2016 figures. Wykx  (talk) 07:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Generally, we do list conflicts until it is at least one year passing since last violent incident. Though it is not one year since November 2016, i agree not to include this event, as being non-continuous conflict, but rather incident.GreyShark (dibra) 09:42, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

El Salvador gangs vs state
This article is interesting in describing the shift from heated fights to a low-intensity conflict: GameChangers 2016: El Salvador's New (Ideology Free) Civil War. Wykx (talk) 15:10, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Gambian War
Senegal has stated it will invade the Gambia if its president does not comply with ECOWAS demands to step down by midnight tonight. Nigerian F-7's and naval elements have been deployed to Senegal as have troops from Ghana. An invasion seems imminent, but there's a chance the invasion may be delayed since there are still several thousand Eurpoean tourists attempting to flee the country. I have created a stub workbox here User:XavierGreen/workbox20, if you think anything is worth adding as of yet (better troop numbers, background info) feel free to edit it (but don't create the actual article unless the invasion does indeed occur.)XavierGreen (talk) 22:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting, thanks. Hope there will be no war...GreyShark (dibra) 22:03, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Colombia
Colombia's Congress has ratified its new peace deal. This is the second deal. The first was rejected by voters but the second and revised has been approved. Is this grounds for removal from the article or is this a wait-and-see thing to see if it holds up (or if there is an implementation timeline) or to wait in case there is another referendum? (just in case, but it's unlikely)

Thoughts?

Thanks! :)

-TenorTwelve (talk) 08:58, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There are two other communist insurgent groups that are not part of the cease-fire agreement and are still active belligerants in the conflict, the ELN and the EPL. The ELN has made some indications that it is amendable to a ceasefire under certain terms, but there is no agreement as of yet. The current version of the EPL on the other-hand is currently made up of diehards who did not disarm when the main body of the EPL force agreed to a ceasefire. It is highly improbable that the remnant EPL will ever agree to a ceasefire, since it has devolved into a protection racket for narcotics groups. To make a long story short, like all the conflicts listed on this page the Colombian Conflict will stay on the page until it stops producing casualties, which as i indicated above does not appear be anytime soon unfortunately.XavierGreen (talk) 18:31, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Change the name to "List of ongoing wars"
Can we discuss changing the title's name to "List of ongoing wars", seems more common sense. User1937 (talk) 21:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If you look over the history of the title of this page, calling it a list of ongoing wars has been a matter of contention for some time. This largely has to do with the definition of what exactly constitues a war. There are various types of armed conflicts which may be considered wars by one definition but not by another definition. For example is an insurgency that has lasted for 40 years, but only produces a few dozen casualties a year a war? To avoid such arguments, the title of the page was changed to what it is now. At its core the page's inclusion criteria encompasses practically anything that could be considered a war by most definitions: a sustained conflict between two organized armed groups.XavierGreen (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Exactly.GreyShark (dibra) 06:57, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Iraq
The figures for the Iraq 2016 casualties are incorrect. The body count source gives 15,471. The UN source gives 8,451. Please explain your methodology or errors in my reasoning or I will change the figure to 15,471 in 24 hrs. Vissar2g (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * As mentioned in the hidden text at the time of the extract, "Jan-Oct. UN death toll for Iraqi security forces only is 5,546; IBC on 3 December is 15,412" The UN death toll displayed on the first tab of their webpage includes security forces and civilians. The texts published each month give a detail that separates security forces and civilians. When you add the figures of each month related to security forces, you obtain the total of 5,546 (period January-October). IBC includes "civilian deaths" as per their definition. Wykx  (talk) 21:52, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Exactly as explained, the UN also gives different tolls in the table to the right (civilian only) and in the full text updates, while IBC continuously updates the database, so it change months, sometimes years later. Judging by how little reports have come out of Mosul proper via the Iraqi government, I would assume the actual toll is a few thousand higher, especially given the fact that some data is missing from Anbar province as well. My best estimate would be around 24-25,000. Skycycle (talk) 21:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You cannot come here as a new editor and make such vigorous statements. Wikipedia generally provides a guideline for 7 day discussion per WP:BRD.GreyShark (dibra) 06:57, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Upcoming map / category changes
I thought it might be a good idea to have a list of map, and in some cases maybe category changes due to occur (or possibly occur, pending 2016 updates) on January 1 next year, as conflicts have fluctuated in intensity throughout the last twelve months. Skycycle (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Updated on December 28th

Increase in violence


 * From  Skirmishes and clashes  to  Minor conflicts :
 * From  Minor conflicts  to  Wars :
 * From  Wars  to  Major wars :

Decrease in violence


 * From  Major wars  to  Wars : 🇳🇬 Boko Haram insurgency
 * From  Wars  to  Minor conflicts : 🇨🇲 Boko Haram insurgency (Cameroon), 🇺🇦 War in Donbass
 * From  Minor conflicts  to  Skirmishes and clashes : 🇹🇩 Boko Haram insurgency (Chad), 🇨🇳 Xinjiang conflict


 * The map is per country and not per conflict. The trend per country is indicated in List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts after the year end. During the course of the year, we may have only decreased trend because figures are growing all along the year. How would represent the changes in trend per conflict? Wykx  (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I had not understood you just wanted to list the upcoming changes. In that case, yes I agree and we may have also to decrease Cameroon, Chad, Pakistan, etc. I don't see yet Mexico increasing. Everything will depend on final figures... Wykx  (talk) 10:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Egypt should remain - more than 100 casualties and just yesterday a bombing of Coptic Church killed 25 .GreyShark (dibra) 07:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Kurdish separatism in Iran produced 74-81 killed according to government to 142-149+ according to rebels. I'm not sure whether it stands to Skirmishes and clashes or Minor conflicts. Wdyt?GreyShark (dibra) 07:06, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I would keep it on 'Skirmishes and clashes' for now as we tend to be more conservative. Wykx  (talk) 22:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, could you reprecise the sources for the latest addition on Kurdish separatism because it returns 5 times the error "Cite error: The named reference rudaw190920161 was invoked but never defined". Wykx  (talk) 10:23, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Will fix it.GreyShark (dibra) 21:19, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused about the Egypt attack - it's included in the Insurgency toll, but was it claimed by the Sinai branch of IS, or simply by IS. Shouldn't it perhaps be included in the Sinai toll, and the Insurgency toll be left to groups like the Hasm movement, etc. I don't update that one too often, so not sure what it includes in addition to the mentioned. Skycycle (talk) 23:57, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not obvious. Today I would say the separation is more geographical between Sinai and the rest of Egypt. So a bombing in Cairo would fall into Insurgency in Egypt. Wykx  (talk) 06:21, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure that makes more sense though - the article itself does feature ISIL as a participant since 2014, but that would mean the Insurgency toll would include the Sinai toll + any other smaller groups fighting vs the government. In our table that is not the case, we have rather separated ISIL incidents (until now primarily located in the Sinai) from everything else. Anyone else care to weigh in on possible solutions\scenarios? Skycycle (talk) 13:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The two conflicts have largely merged together. ISIS has absorbed the majority of jihadi fighters in the sinai, and has spread its operations out throughout the whole of Egypt.XavierGreen (talk) 21:41, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Over 5,000 page visitors per day
On December 14, there were over 5,000 daily visitors to this page, indicating the importance of this project to Wikipedia readers. I would like to thank all page editors, and especially the active participants of incubator Wikiproject "Ongoing conflicts" - Nykterinos, Fitzcarmalan, XavierGreen, Wykx, Bolter21 ,Skycycle as well as active editors user:Kristijh, user:Catlemur and others. Cheers to your good work.GreyShark (dibra) 18:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Cheers to that, the counter is a useful tool to have on a page such as this IMO. Skycycle (talk) 18:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Great work, everyone. There is still plenty of work to be done, those are ongoing conflicts after all.--Catlemur (talk) 21:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Philippine Drug War
Since the Mexican Drug War made it on this page, why not add the Philippine one, too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BountyFlamor (talk • contribs) 18:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Contrary to the Mexican Drug War, no source states that there is an organized paramilitary structure opposing the philipino government. Wykx  (talk) 18:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I am not sure Drug War in Philippines should be considered a "war" (despite the name). War "consists in the use of armed force between two or more organized armed groups, governmental or non-governmental alike" (see the beginning of the page). In this case, there aren't "organized armed groups" against the government, but only single consumers and distributors. SigmaK (talk) 12:37, 17 February 2017 (UTC)SigmaKSigmaK (talk) 12:37, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it should be part of this list. In few months died there more then 7000 people, how else we should call it? Peter1170
 * Violent police operations and Extrajudicial Executions. Wykx  (talk) 11:38, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Kingdom of Rwenzururu clashes
I have added the Kingdom of Rwenzururu clashes as death toll is now at 100 between the Kingdom and Ugandan police & soldiers. Wykx (talk) 09:28, 23 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I want to create a page specifically for the fighting in Rwenzururu, in part because it would be better than just linking to Charles Mumbere. However, I don't think "Kingdom of Rwenzururu clashes" would be an appropriate title, as the fighting happened in a single day, exclusively in the city of Kasese. Do you (Wykx) or does anyone else have any suggestions for a title? If not I will probably just go with "Kingdom of Rwenzururu clashes". Centre Left Right  ✉ 06:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

2015 Archive
I have created List of armed conflicts in 2015 in order to archive data and sources for 2015 and have a photo of this year. Wykx (talk) 14:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your good work!GreyShark (dibra) 09:43, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * - i notice that Turkey/Iraq/Syria (Kurdish-Turkish conflict) is missing from the most violent conflicts' comparison table for some reason, tough it had more than 1000 casualties in 2015.GreyShark (dibra) 09:49, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Where exactly? Wykx  (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * List of ongoing armed conflicts.GreyShark (dibra) 10:09, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If I'm not wrong, in 2015 most of the casualties were in Iraq and those have been added to the Iraq count. Once added, the 2016 data will probably make Turkey visible in this list. Wykx  (talk) 10:19, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You mean in Iraqi Kurdistan?GreyShark (dibra) 08:56, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Wykx  (talk) 23:09, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Philippine drug war
I think the Philippine drug war should be included on this list. Mexico's drug war is.Socialistboyy (talk) 00:49, 17 March 2017 (UTC)socialistboyy
 * I suggest you look at the talk archives and even in the December 2016 section as it has been already discussed. Wykx  (talk) 13:42, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Graph for war deaths by country
In the "deaths by country" section at the bottom, the bar graph still shows data from 2013-2015 instead of 2014-2016.
 * I can update, but I'm afraid I can't guarantee do it before Mid-March. Wykx  (talk) 09:54, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It is now mid March. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.38.210.183 (talk) 14:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I know, but I couldn't find time to finish yet... So next target date is beginning of April! Wykx  (talk) 13:40, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It's now the beginning of April and it still isn't done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.38.210.183 (talk) 22:17, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ (and we are still beginning of April !!) Wykx  (talk) 21:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That's fine, I've been updating a lot of them, a few still need a look - mostly ACLED stuff - Sudan, South Sudan, Ethiopia, perhaps a few more. Skycycle (talk) 00:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Northern Mali conflict
Some editors decided that Northern Mali conflict is over, because of some agreement, and concluded the conflict "over" on the page. In reality, as seen in our statistics - it is ongoing and even recently escalating with hundreds of deaths.GreyShark (dibra) 19:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. The page should be updated. Wykx  (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

De-jure and de-facto states and territories
In the past we mostly used to utilize de-jure states and territories in order to refer to areas of wars, but sometimes also utilizing de-facto entities (unrecognized states, self-proclaimed autonomies etc). Considering my remark on Gaza Strip - this is a good example of an area, which is de-jure part of a country with limited recognition (State of Palestine - a UN non-member, with observer status), but de-facto occupied and ruled by Hamas Islamic movement. I would love to hear opinions how should Gaza Strip be presented in the table due to this complexity: the options are Gaza Strip,  Palestine, or something else.GreyShark (dibra) 16:23, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm more "legalist" and used to keep de-jure entities. De-facto entities have very limited recognition. Wykx  (talk) 14:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Ninjas in Republic of Congo
According to ACLED in 2016 and 2017, 97 persons have been killed in the conflict between Ninja (militia) and the Republic of Congo. It could be added soon to this list. Wykx (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I created The Pool War. Wykx  (talk) 11:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Batwa militia and ethnic Luba fightings in DRC
I will add the ethnic militia conflict in Katanga that has started in 2013 according to with hundreds of victims since. According to ACLED, we have 108 people killed in 2016 and 75 in 2017. It is different from the Katanga insurgency which is over since 2015. Wykx (talk) 14:16, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks.GreyShark (dibra) 06:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Laos insurgency
We had a discussion on this before, so everyone please take a look at that, so I don't need to repeat anything - there is a list of recent attacks there. I just want to point out that ACLED Asia's February database has a new incident listed on February 16 - "A Lao soldier was killed and another was injured during a shooting on a bus traveling on Highway 13 North in Ventiane province. The cause for the attack was still being investigated." These keep adding up, but no claim of responsibility so far that we've heard of, and targets have been Chinese nationals, as well as soldiers and sometimes Lao civilians.

Here is a combined list of recent incidents, from talk archive + 2016 ACLED Asia database:

2015 - 4 killed, several injured


 * Late November 2015: exchange of gunfire between elements of Lao resistance and national army leaves 3 soldiers dead and several others injured in Xaysomboun.
 * December 2015 - 1 motorcyclist killed, 1 injured in shooting attack by ~15 armed men. Three days later two people in a truck transporting beer were injured in another shooting, also in Xaysomboun Province.

2016 - 4 killed, 16+ injured


 * January 2016 - 1 civilian injured after unidentified gunmen shot at a bus in Kasy District.
 * 24 January 2016 - 2 Chinese nationals were killed, and one was injured after a roadside bombing hit their minivan near a Lao military camp in Xaysomboun Province.
 * 1 March 2016 - 1 Chinese national killed, 8 others injured in 3 near-simultaneous shootings in the north-west of Laos.
 * 23 March 2016 - 1 civilian killed, 6 Chinese nationals injured in shooting near Vang Vieng, in Vientiane Province.

2017 - 1 killed, 1 injured


 * 16 February 2017 - A Lao soldier was killed and another was injured during a shooting on a bus traveling on Highway 13 North in Vientiane Province.

Skycycle (talk) 02:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * How many cumulative casualties?GreyShark (dibra) 06:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)