Talk:List of presidents of the United States by date of death

Untitled
In table 2, there is a reference to a President Thomas Hendricks, who I am pretty sure was never president. Any reason he is here, or is this a subtle joke

Table Width
Anyone else consider the table width too wide.. perhaps we can find a way to break it down? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasant56 (talk • contribs) 01:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

John Adams & Thomas Jefferson
Anyone able to clarify the meaning of Thomas Jefferson coming before John Adams on this list even though they are technically tied?? Georgia guy 17:43, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Jefferson died about 2 horus before Adams. YourNickname 14:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Jefferson died around 12:30pm and Adams died around 6pm according to "The Complete Book of U.S. Presidents." Jjmillerhistorian 19:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Gerald Ford cause of death
There has been no official announcement as to the cause of death of Gerald Ford. On wikipedia it has been comonly listed as heart failure but there is no external source to back that up at this point. Heart failure is a good educated guess given his recent health problems but it is still just speculation at this point. User:Chicago103 12:41, 28 Dec 2006 (CST)
 * Of course...we wouldn't want to scare people who have pacemakers. I will try to use more caution next time. It's a good thing I didn't use the first alleged cause I read. Jjmillerhistorian 19:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem, it wasnt meant as a criticism toward your judgement as it is very likely that was the cause, its just that since wikipedia is sometimes quoted by news sources and we shouldnt be the ones jumping the gun when we dont even know ourselves.User:Chicago103 17:18, 28 Dec 2006 (CST)

I can't find any news reference to Ford's cause of death being "severe bowel instruction". All I can see is a few blog references, a few of which cite wikipedia as the source. This looks like it might be a prank. Can someone provide a citation?


 * From what I see as of today, no official cause of death has ever been released. I would strongly caution editors not to use the term "heart failure" to refer to any and all cardiac-related deaths. Heart failure is a distinct and specific disease and does not mean "a bad heart". It's like saying all respiratory system conditions are "lung cancer". Johnson, for instance, died of a heart attack, not of heart failure. -- Charlene 04:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I was the one who made the edit in saying Ford died of heart failure because I think its incomplete that we have the cause of death of every president dating back to 1799 and yet we dont know what happened to the most recent president to die. That is why I put the footnote to Ford's cause of death.

I think it is a very likely he did in fact die of heart failure because if you read news clippings about his last few hospitalizations in 2006 it pretty clear he was suffering from heart failure. In July 2006 he went to the hosptial for shortness of breath, in August 2006 he was at the Mayo Clinic for almost two weeks where he got a pacemaker installed as well as an angioplasty done, in October 2006 he was hospitalized for the last time for undisclosed "medical tests" but its not much of a jump to assume that it was because of complications of what he was suffering from in July and August.

I would say all that evidence points to advanced Congestive Heart Failure. Its also not much of a jump to assume thats what he died of on December 26, 2006. I dont think it was a heart attack since there are news articles saying that family members gathered at his bedside and were expecting him to go, so I dont think it was a sudden attack its just that his heart just slowly gave way.User:Chicago103 13:27, 26 Feb 2007 (CST)

Presidents still alive
Shouldn't this or some other page list also the presidents which are still alive? I was looking for such list but couldn't find one... --Hkroger 17:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The list would be small, but it is noted in this article and List of United States Presidents by longevity Jjmillerhistorian 19:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Number of living former Presidents
I came to this page hoping to find a listing of the number of living former Presidents, by year. For example, it would appear that from the death of LBJ until the resignation of Nixon that there were no living former Presidents. I was curious how often this happens. Sure, I could "do the math" - but I had hoped it had already been done. JH443 (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean like Living Presidents of the United States that one? &mdash; MrDolomite • Talk 03:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Time of death?
I have a question-how do you do the time of death? I mean is it in the timezone they were in (Which is what I'm guessing) or something like EST. I'm guessing it was in the timezone they were in. (Though it would be interesting if one died on December 31st/January 1st and they died at 11PM or 1AM there time!)

The Robot 2000 (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Ignore-I found the part that said local time!

The Robot 2000 (talk) 18:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

My most recent edits
In my most recent edits to this article I fixed a couple citation errors, moved the presidential images/pictures, moved around a couple of the subsections (removing 2 altogether that seemed especially trivial), and simplified table format. In reformatting the table, I removed 3 columns: “Order of Birth”, was unnecessary here, as it may be found @ List of Presidents of the United States by date of birth, plus “Date of Burial” and “Place of Burial”, were both unnecessary here, as they may be found @ List of burial places of Presidents of the United States. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 04:11, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Causes of death information
A couple of days ago, I removed the causes of death information from the table. I will restore the information to the article either in paragraph prose format or in bulleted list format. I will get to this over the weekend or early next week. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 21:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure your proposal will improve the article, but I will withhold judgement until I see the work. In the meantime, please do not delete the information. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 23:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * BTW, you took out more than just the cause of death column. You also took out the order of death ranking. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 01:59, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, you’re mistaken about that. Drdpw (talk) 02:16, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Presidents who died after their successors
Should we have a new section of presidents who died after successors corresponding to the presidents who died before their predecessor section that would look like this because its just as noteworthy to see who died after as much as we see who died before? עם ישראל חי (talk) 15:22, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

2nd President John Adams (died 6:00 PM on July 4, 1826)
 * Five hours and fifteen minutes after 3rd President Thomas Jefferson (died 12:45 PM on July 4, 1826)

4th President James Madison (died June 28, 1836)
 * 4 years, 361 days after 5th President James Monroe (died July 4, 1831)

6th President John Quincy Adams (died February 23, 1848)
 * 2 years, 260 days after 7th President Andrew Jackson (died June 8, 1845)
 * 6 years, 326 days after 9th President William Henry Harrison (died April 4, 1841)

7th President Andrew Jackson (died June 8, 1845)
 * 4 years, 66 days after 9th President William Henry Harrison (died April 4, 1841)

8th President Martin Van Buren (died July 24, 1862)
 * 21 years, 116 days after 9th President William Henry Harrison (died April 4, 1841)
 * 187 days after 10th President John Tyler (died January 18, 1862)
 * 13 years, 42 days after 11th President James K. Polk (died June 15, 1849)
 * 12 years, 18 days after 12th President Zachary Taylor (died July 9, 1850)

10th President John Tyler (died January 18, 1862)
 * 12 years, 220 days after 11th President James K. Polk (died June 15, 1849)
 * 11 years, 196 days after 12th President Zachary Taylor (died July 9, 1850)

13th President Millard Fillmore (died March 8, 1874)
 * 4 years, 152 days after 14th President Franklin Pierce (died October 8, 1869)
 * 5 years, 281 days after 15th President James Buchanan (died June 1, 1868)
 * 8 years, 329 days after 16th President Abraham Lincoln (died April 15, 1865)

14th President Franklin Pierce (died October 8, 1869)
 * 1 year, 129 days after 15th President James Buchanan (died June 1, 1868)
 * 4 years, 177 days after 16th President Abraham Lincoln (died April 15, 1865)

15th President James Buchanan (died June 1, 1868)
 * 3 years, 48 days after 16th President Abraham Lincoln (died April 15, 1865)

18th President Ulysses S. Grant (died July 23, 1885)
 * 3 years, 308 days after 20th President James A. Garfield (died September 19, 1881)

19th President Rutherford B. Hayes (died January 17, 1893)
 * 11 years, 123 days after 20th President James A. Garfield (died September 19, 1881)

19th President Rutherford B. Hayes (died January 17, 1893)
 * 6 years, 61 days after 21st President Chester A. Arthur (died November 19, 1886)

22nd & 24th President Grover Cleveland (died June 24, 1908)
 * 6 years, 285 days after 25th President William McKinley (died September 14, 1901)

27th President William Howard Taft (died March 8, 1930)
 * 6 years, 35 days after 28th President Woodrow Wilson (died February 3, 1924)
 * 6 years, 220 days after 29th President Warren Harding (died August 2, 1923)

28th President Woodrow Wilson (died February 3, 1924)
 * 185 days after 29th President Warren Harding (died August 2, 1923)

31st President Herbert Hoover (died October 20, 1964)
 * 19 years, 195 days after 32nd President Franklin D. Roosevelt (died April 12, 1945)
 * 333 days after 35th President John F. Kennedy (died November 22, 1963)

33rd President Harry S. Truman (died December 26, 1972)
 * 3 years, 273 days after 34th President Dwight D. Eisenhower (died March 28, 1969)
 * 9 years, 37 days after 35th President John F. Kennedy (died November 22, 1963)

34th President Dwight D. Eisenhower (died March 28, 1969)
 * 5 years, 128 days after 35th President John F. Kennedy (died November 22, 1963)

38th President Gerald Ford (died December 26, 2006)
 * 2 years, 203 days after 40th President Ronald Reagan (died June 5, 2004)

39th President Jimmy Carter
 * 20 years, 29 days after 40th President Ronald Reagan (died June 5, 2004)


 * This page doesn't need another trivia section. The proposed addition contains superflous information that would add no notable content. Drdpw (talk) 02:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Why as its just the inverse of whats already there and the info is not superfluous as it makes it easier to see how many successors each president outlived עם ישראל חי (talk) 20:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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2nd paragraph - just wrong
While the 2nd paragraph is entertaining, it is clearly factually wrong. --Dcheney (talk) 06:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * To be specific, Bush was 94 years and 171 days old at his death (my quick rough calculation, note that both birth and death years were leap years). Carter was born on 1 Oct 1924 - roughly 3 1/2 months after Bush. So he is mostly certainly not older at this time. --Dcheney (talk) 06:19, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Corrected. Drdpw (talk) 06:54, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Sort Deaths Column by Year?
When the date of death column is selected for the sorting order, it sorts by month (as noted in Note b). This doesn't seem like the most useful or intuitive option.

How can we keep the Month Day, Year format but sort by year (as is done in the death column in List of presidents of the United States by age?

Fustigate314159 (talk) 17:30, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * the order column sorts by year עם ישראל חי (talk) 17:53, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That column's sorting order is intentional, so as to show which presidents died on/around the same day in the same month. Drdpw (talk) 18:10, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've split that column into date & year to have the best of both worlds.  Nixinova   T   C   06:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your changes; they did not make the table more useful. Also, did you notice that this conversation took place two years ago? The question was asked and answered. Drdpw (talk) 11:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Why? I went to this page looking for an ordered list of presidents' deaths, not by calendar date. How does this make the table less useful? And I'm aware this is 2y old.  Nixinova   T   C   21:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The table provided you with "an ordered list of presidents' deaths" before you changed it. The default sort order is by "order of death" and the far-left column sorts by order of death. Your stated reason for making the change was "to have the best of both worlds", which is not a compelling reason to change the table's layout. A dedicated column to sort months alphabetically is pointless, a dedicated column to sort years is redundant since two other columns also sort by year and with a specific purpose for doing so, and, splitting day & month from year leaves me asking, what's the point of doing so? Drdpw (talk) 00:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the modification you implemented in the date of death column. Drdpw (talk) 12:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Grover Cleveland Double Entry
Grover Cleveland has two entries in the table which appear to be identical. Is this an error or due to him serving two, separated terms? 18:05, 29 November 2020 (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.233.226 (talk)
 * It was indeed because his two terms were not consecutive. I have changed the formatting so that Cleveland's 2 terms are in the same table row when sorted. Drdpw (talk) 00:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)