Talk:List of women in the Heritage Floor

On adding alphabetic section headings
Its helpful to have a contents table for such a a long list, however this removes the ease by which the table can be sorted into their place setting groups or as a timeline which I thought was a very neat feature.Lumos3 (talk) 21:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's a good point. I would favor remerging the table so that the sorting works. Kaldari (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Great work on the list. One concern, and this could be irrelevant, but, Chicago lists Eudocia and Eudoxia and we now have them falling into the "A" section because on Wikipedia they are listed as Aelia Eudocia and Aelia Eudoxia. Should they be moved to the "E" section to keep with Chicago's original intent? SarahStierch (talk) 15:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I think we're between a rock and a hard place with regard to the section headings. Either we don't break the list up, and it's just a gigantic list with no ability to navigate to anything, or we do break it up, and we lose sortability. Neither of those is a great thing. I'm very (very!) far from being a table guru, though, and I wonder if there's another possibility I may know not how to do - is it possible to have a TOC pointing to within a table or something? If the only choices are really "full sortability but no navigation" and "navigation, but limited (to within-letter) sortability", my vote goes to the latter. Textdumps the size of this list are nearly impossible to use without some navigation. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:01, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If we do leave the navigation breaks, I think we should remove the sort links. There's not really any use for sorting by time period or group if its only for a small subset of the list, i.e. I can't imagine any case in which that would actually be useful. I still favor a unified table, but I don't have a strong opinion on it. Kaldari (talk) 21:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * We should implement the same system used at List of cryptids. Kaldari (talk) 20:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Totally! That's an awesome list! Sarah (talk) 21:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Amalia Holst
Looks like Amalia Holst has a decent article on the German Wikipedia but nothing here. Anyone know German? Kaldari (talk) 21:23, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

"Marie Dugès", "Marie LaChapelle"
JmCor (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem with writing "Marie Dugès" is that it can refer both to the mother (Marie Jonet Dugès) and the daughter (Marie Dugès Lachapelle) (birth names: Jonet and Dugès respectively). It is true that both were known to their contemporaries as Madame Dugès (the mother) and Madame Lachapelle (the daughter, an author) respectively; but in the 21st century, this can be confusing.
 * The problem with "LaChapelle" (with an uppercase "c") is that that usage is rather recent in English I think. In French both "Lachapelle" and "La Chapelle" can be found, but never "LaChapelle". "Lachapelle" is more frequent in recent French usage.
 * While we are at it "Dr. Dugès" never refers to Marie Jonet's husband, a physician called "Louis Dugès" (except perhaps when no confusion is possible). It always refers to Antoine Dugès—or Antoine Louis Dugès— (current French spelling would prefer the hyphenated form "Antoine-Louis Dugès"); the latter was Marie Lachapelle's nephew and student; an obstetrician, he edited one of her books.
 * A clear error was made when naming a crater "Lachappelle" (with two p's) on Venus: see List of craters on Venus. I mention that this is not a rare case in the nomenclature of Venusian craters. Another undesirable effect of that spelling with two p's is that it introduces another risk of confusion, namely between Marie Lachapelle (who was also called Marie-Louise Lachapelle) and Jeanne-Louise Lachappelle (1789-1832) (this time always found with two p's) who also was a midwife (http://www2.biusante.parisdescartes.fr/livanc/index.las?p=125&cote=23846&do=page)
 * Lastly, the diacritic (the grave accent on "è" in "Dugès") is always used; failure to do so dramatically changes the French pronunciation.

Creating a WikiProject for The Dinner Party
Hi. I'm a Fellow at the Brooklyn Museum, where I coordinate a Kress-funded project to make scholarly and curatorial information about the Museum’s collections available to the public on Wikipedia. The Dinner Party is a major focus of my work. I'm wondering what you think about starting a WikiProject for The Dinner Party? It might help to organize volunteers and monitor all of the 1,038 pages for women included in the installation. Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts.Alexandrathom (talk) 21:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've just read this and think a project would be a good idea, not because its likely to attract more ideas but because it will raise the visibility of the artwork to new generations. Lumos3 (talk) 10:25, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Birthdate column
This column has problems of formatting. If we want to be able to sort all the entries into a timeline, which would be wonderful, then we need a way of writing the year that puts all added preceding notations such "c",  "circ" etc after the number or they wont sort into numerical order. There is also a problem with BCE entries, should these be shown as - ve number. Perhaps there is a clever way of having a hidden sort key? Lumos3 (talk) 10:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, there is. Just put HS YYYY at the beginning of the date entry and it will add a hidden sort key. For example "HS 1350Flourished c. 1350" . If you want to add a full date, use HS YYYY-MM-DD . Kaldari (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks . Will this accept and correctly process negative numbers for BCE dates? Lumos3 (talk) 10:23, 15 January 2014 (UTC) To answer my own question I see that it does, excellent. Thanks again. Lumos3 (talk) 10:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Tip for editing this long list
I find the length of this list is too long for my system ( and/or Wikipedias) to cope with in real time editing and there are long delays between key strokes. It is quicker to copy a section of source to a word processor, edit and then past back in when done.Lumos3 (talk) 11:40, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Group?
How do you determine which Group a name is in (those that haven't already been filled in)?
 * Search the Brooklyn Museum website, it's the Related Place Setting for each name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.70.205 (talk) 17:37, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

"Gertrude Svensen"
The correct name for the person called "Gertrude Svensen" in the list is actually "Gertrud Svensdotter", as the article of her say, and the (Swedish) references also calls her. Gertrud Svensdotter was from Sweden, and her last name Svensdotter was a Patronymic meaning "daughter of Sven": the ending word "dotter" in the name meaning "daughter". I am from Sweden myself, and no references in her home country, were her story is well known, ever refers to her as "Gertrude Svensen" - which would also have been strange, as the name "Svensen" is also a patronymic meaning "son of Sven". Further more, "Svensen" is also a Danish patronymic rather than a Swedish, which would have been "Svensson". Her first name also has the wrong spelling, as the Swedish spelling of Gertrude is Gertrud without the e at the end, but that is a smaller matter. My question is: is the name actually wrong in the art exhibition itself (which means that it would have to continue being wrong in the article), or is it simply wrongly spelled only in the article? --Aciram (talk) 22:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's wrong in the exhibition, check the Brooklyn Museum website.173.49.70.205 (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Significant copyright violations
It looks like in the last month or so editors have been copying and pasting the lead sections from existing Wikipedia articles into this article. This is in violation of the CC-BY-SA license that the text from those articles has been released under. You can't just copy and paste content from one article to another without providing proper attribution. Also, it doesn't make any sense to copy the entire lead section of the article into the description here. At the most, all we want is a sentence or two for the table. Kaldari (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't realize. I'll be more careful now. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.70.205 (talk) 17:42, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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"Phillipe Auguste"
The "Phillipe" with a double l and an ungeminated second p looks like a misspelling of a French king's name (Philip II, usually called Philippe Auguste in French), a misspelling typical for native speakers of English. Does anyone know something about that supposed female person or is it just a hoax by somebody who wanted to test if this one goes unnoticed? Огненный ангел (talk) 03:06, 24 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Brookly Museum say The Dinner Party Wiki researchers were unable to confirm the information about Phillipe Auguste provided in previous descriptions by Judy Chicago. Should you have scholarly information to contribute, please email us at tdp.wiki@brooklynmuseum.org. I suspect this means the name is actually on the Heritage Floor but it was included in error, possibly, as you say, a mistake for Philippe Auguste. (Although some errors, like "Amyte" for Amyte, are explained on that website, so if it's a simple matter of Judy Chicago misreading a reference to Philippe Auguste as being about a woman you'd expect they'd just say that!) Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The entry on the "previous description" by J. Chicago is a abbreviated version of an entry on a book named "400 Outstanding Women Of The World" (p.390) which is a selection of excerpts from other books, and very probably is the source of Chicago. The author of the entry, Edna L. Foley mistook the king Philippe Auguste, benefactor/patron of the hospital, for some sister-nurse of the hospital, when she reproduced a passage from Mary Adelaide Nutting's book "History of Nursing" (p.293 — Nutting does not make the confusion herself). (tdp.wiki@brooklynmuseum.org is no longer working anyway)--Phso2 (talk) 06:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)