Talk:Lists of political office-holders in Estonia

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Your list is incomplete. Note that there were two Estonian ruling bishops enfeoffed as princes of Holy Roman Empire during Middle Ages: Bishops of Dorpat (now in Estonian Tartu, in contemporary Latin, Episcopus Tarbatensis) from November 6, 1225 - Jult 18, 1558, when Dorpat was conqueder by Russians); Bishops of Oesel (or Oesel-Wiek, now in Estonian Saaremaa ja Läänemaa, in contemporary Latin, Episcopus Osiliensis) from October 1, 1228 - 1560, until the last bishop ceded his realm to Denmark. Bishops had sovereignity in their realms over the Livonian Order, which was technically a vassal institution of bishops. Peter Frisk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.126.101.134 (talk • contribs) 12 July 2004 (UTC)

Nomme government deleted
Estonian exile government in exile officially ceased its activities on 7 October 1992, when - in the Estonian Parliament - Heinrich Mark, the acting President of the Republic in exile, handed his credentials over to Lennart Meri, who had been elected, by the citizens of the reindependent nation, President of the Republic.

Should have been the end of the story. But the world is full of people who like to be called kings, princes and presidents of independent nations. Some of these kind of self-promoters somehow were somehow successful to convince one ( senile ?) member of Heinrich Mark's goverment, Mihkel Mathiesen that Estonia is still occupied and its elected government is illegal. So they declared themselves to be the new goverment of exile (what "exile" ? They lived and live in Estonia). The current "president" is somebody called Kalev Ots and somebody of his group likes to write selfpromoting articles about their "presidency" and "government" in Wikipedia. Telling fact is that Estonian google search about "Kalev Ots" and valitsus ('government' in Estonian) produces only 145 links which all appear to be come from the self-promoting group themselves, not from newspaper articles or other kind of neutral source. In other words, practically no Estonians even know about that self-promoting 'president' clown, so including him in articles like "List of Estonian rulers" is just misleading of Wikipedia readers.Warbola 01:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You are denying a fact of Estonian history. Paraphrase of your own words, Warbola:


 * Estonian government officially ceased its activities on 21 June 1940, when - in the Estonian Parliament - Johannes Vares, the acting President of the Republic, handed his credentials over to Joseph Stalin, who had been elected, by the citizens of the independent nation, President of the Republic.


 * Should have been the end of the story. But the world is full of people who like to be called kings, princes and presidents of independent nations. Some of these kind of self-promoters somehow were somehow successful to convince one ( senile ?) member of Jüri Uluots's goverment, that Estonia is occupied and its elected government is illegal. So they declared themselves to be the new goverment of exile The current "president" is somebody called Kalev Ots and somebody of his group likes to write selfpromoting articles about their "presidency" and "government" in Wikipedia. Telling fact is that Estonian google search about "Kalev Ots" and valitsus ('government' in Estonian) produces only 145 links which all appear to be come from the self-promoting group themselves, not from newspaper articles or other kind of neutral source. In other words, practically no Estonians even know about that self-promoting 'president' clown, so including him in articles like "List of Estonian rulers" is just misleading of Wikipedia readers.Warbola 01:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Ancient elderships?
Hello, "Ancient Independent Elderships" is an interesting take on things. We'd need to remove this from WP as it is clearly WP original research. the fact is the highest political bodies in Estonia back then were the Councils of Elders. As an Eldership itself refs to some sort of authoritarian rule and currently the Estonian counties are also called "Ancient Independent Elderships" on WP, it's just too far out from the conventional history to be accepted on WP . but I'd need to take time and investigate, what is going on with this "Independent Elderships" here as it seems to be all over the place and once sorted out, it has to be changed according to available sources. Thanks--Termer 22:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Estonian rulers
Since the title refs like the rulers were Estonian, it is misleading and needs to be renamed Rulers of Estonia for ex.--Termer 23:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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