Talk:Live 8

List of performers
Like the original Live Aid page, the acts can be re-arranged in order of performance after the concert has happened... --Madchester 18:09, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I've rearranged the list of performers at each of the show, so that they're in alphabetical order. This is to prevent the list's order from changing too much on a regular basis, and to remove the POV of any act perceived being more popular than another, by moving them to the top of the list. --Madchester 02:20, 16 June 2005 (UTC)

Would it be possible to put a complete alphabetical list of all the participants somewhere? Vanderdecken 19:10, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Can we have a list of permormers in the order they appeared, along with the compares who introduced each act (e.g. Peter Kay)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.110.172 (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Redirection?
I've seen Live 8 described as "Live Aid II" in at least one external source...should Live Aid II be created as a redirect? --DXI 22:14, 31 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, but only if include the quote from Geldof that he doesn't want the event to be called Live Aid II. Pcb21| Pete 22:26, 31 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I was going to do a redirect page at Live Aid II when I set up the Live 8 page, but it occurred to me that it is very early days and it seems likely to me that the name Live 8 will become second nature to everybody over the weeks to come (it would be like having a redirect from Beetles to Beatles - I hope there isn't one or that destroys my argument) Btljs — Preceding undated comment added 08:22, 1 June 2005 (UTC)


 * Heh Beetles redirects to Beetle which links to Beetle (disambiguation), which does correct errant spellers by pointing to The Beatles amongst other things.
 * In the circumstances, I added a couple of sentences with links that showed it was called Live Aid 2 by lots of the press until they announced the official name. If down the line this turns out to be irrelevant, then we can remove it at that time. Pcb21| Pete 13:51, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

Criticisms
Is it just me or are those criticisms ubiquitous to any aid/charitable organization? Also, Live 8 is about promoting awareness (to things like debt cancellation and fair trade) NOT raising aid money.... Hence the free shows

A more realistic and potential problem I do see is scalpers hoarding all the lottery tickets and selling them on eBay, on site, etc....--Madchester 19:14, 1 June 2005 (UTC)


 * My concern is that the criticisms section is the thoughts of the writer, because that section doesn't seem to tally up with the actual criticisms that have been levelled on the last day or so. Who really says "neocolonialism" in the context of this event? Pcb21| Pete 19:34, 1 June 2005 (UTC)


 * May have spoken too soon. Have sourced the "catwalk" comment. Pcb21| Pete 19:47, 1 June 2005 (UTC)


 * More specific quotes are needed in this section definitely. Is there another article somewhere which covers the general debate between pro-charity and anti-charity parties when it comes to developing countries? If so, this should be cited to avoid having to restate all the arguments every time there is a charity event. If not we will have to insert a Counter-criticisms section for balance. Btljs — Preceding undated comment added 08:16, 2 June 2005 (UTC)

"Questioning whether trade or Western governments are indeed major factors in social problems within Africa, including AIDS, poverty and corruption, suggesting that internal reform within Africa is more important than foreign aid."


 * Firstly, I know of no news source that would seriously contend that trade is not a problem for Africa. Secondly, this criticism needs to be made more specific to this event.  I've taken it out for the moment.  Palefire 12:18, 3 June 2005 (UTC)


 * Good call. Pcb21| Pete 13:29, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

The criticism section needs a LOT more sources; everyone with a opinion is simply stating their 2 cents on the page, with no sources to back them up.--Madchester 19:50, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Criticism: Ethnicity of performers
Mariah Carey, the only non White artist? (Isn't she white?) What about Snoop Dogg?--Richy 22:24, 2 June 2005 (UTC)


 * The joy of citing sources. BBC calls Mariah non-white, not us :). As for Snoop Dogg, the confusion probably arises because most lists of performers don't include him for some reason. He is not on the official website for example. Pcb21| Pete 10:38, 3 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Which just goes to prove what a ludicrous distinction it is being white or non-white. This isn't apartheid era South Africa. Btljs — Preceding undated comment added 14:47, 3 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Snoop was announced during the original press conference. Go to the BBC article, and his name is mentioned as part of the 7-8 minute video.  Razorlight too.  Both didn't get mentioned in printed material for some reason. --Madchester 15:28, 3 June 2005 (UTC)

Isn't Slash from Velvet Revolver as black as Mariah Carey? --Richy 19:35, 8 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Mariah's half-white, half-black.... kind of like Halle Berry... but both of them only focus on their black heritage... --Madchester 02:57, 10 June 2005 (UTC)
 * That's why I like Tiger Woods. He is a mutt - and proud of it! :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.195.88.83 (talk) 02:06, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm blacker than Mariah Carey and I'm white as it gets heh... Anyone who the hell are these idiots who make all these racial critisms of Live 8. I'll bet that Japan had no black performers, I don't see people complaining about that. Russia aswell, I can't believe they even bothered to hold a live 8 in Russia, that country needs aid itself. Why isn't China in the G8 they're economy has surpassed Russia and Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.214.87 (talk) 03:00, 6 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Cosign with the sarcastic sentiment. Mariah Carey meeting any kind of diverse, racial quota is hysterical. She's the whitest, non-white, Black woman on the planet. Anybody else reminded of that episode of South Park about the Goobacks? Cueball 05:19, 7 October 2005

There is no mention that the concert at The Meadows in Edinburgh was almost exclusivly African (actual African artists and African music) with the exception of a couple of Afro-Caribbean artists. And would anyone object to me changing the "Edinburgh near Gleneagles" bit? they are about 50 miles away from each other - near, but the article would make you think that they are over the road from each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.86.101 (talk) 20:24, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Charity?
Not meaning to nit-pick, but are these strictly charity concerts if they are not to raise money? I know that charitable organisations are involved and I don't quite know what else to call them but this is of a different order of event than Live Aid as it is directly targetting world leaders and politicians rather than the population at large. They are kind of political pressure rallies with music. Btljs — Preceding undated comment added 13:39, 3 June 2005 (UTC)
 * (Please use the "signature" button to sign edits to talk pages, with a timestamp.) I think "charity" is perhaps slightly less accurate than "activism". I think "charity concert" fits, though, as the performers essentially donated their fame and time as an "in-kind" gift toward the cause. --Dhartung | Talk 19:59, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

Tickets London Live 8 - text competition
I have a question about the “Ticket Lottery” – How can NON-UK-People take part??? I think it is not possible to send a Text Message to a Special “UK Texting Number” from a non UK mobile net!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.154.216 (talk) 10:39, 5 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, eBay scalpers will be heeding your call. It's inevitable... --Madchester 16:14, 5 June 2005 (UTC)

I think the article needs to go more in depth in explaining the tickets. If the concert was free then why did people want to win a ticket? and how is it a charity event if it was not actually raising any money and just awareness - Jonesolivia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonesolivia (talk • contribs) 05:16, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Scotland gig
How should we organize the format to fit the Scotland gig? It's kind of a lead up to Live 8 and the G8 Summit.... --Madchester 16:19, 8 June 2005 (UTC)

Text Competition
Does anyone know if you can improve your odds by texting multiple times or do they just add each individual person to the list to be drawn from once? Can each person only win one set of tickets also?--Richy 19:33, 8 June 2005 (UTC)

Sail 8
Something happening on July 3.... another follow up to the main concerts on the 2nd. http://www.news24.com/News24/Entertainment/Abroad/0,,2-1225-1243_1717907,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4612621.stm --Madchester 21:30, 10 June 2005 (UTC)

eBay and public opinion
I would think that the general public was strongly opposed to the selling of tix on eBay. Many ppl responded to Geldof's criticism and added spoof bids or tickets to many listings on eBay. Now, this response has forced eBay to back off its orginal policy of allowing the sales of charity tix. W/o the public backlash, I doubt this would have been acheived. --Madchester 21:55, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry but a few people doesn't constitute "the public". I for one am not "strongly opposed" and know many others that were not.  To claim otherwise is just incorrect, and stating that the organisers (including Geldof) and the government opposed it is good enough. violet/riga (t) 22:01, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * "Well, "my people" were strongly opposed to it. :-) I think it's a fallacy to use your friends and family as evidence for or against the issue.
 * The fact is there was a very quick and immediate response from the online community, which cannot be denied. The combined response of the public and Geldof were responsble for pressuring eBay in changing their own in-house policy, no question about that. --Madchester 22:06, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * No, the combined response of the organisers, the government and the media pressured them. Do you honestly think that a dozen people (of the millions that visit) could change eBay policy?  Certainly not.  I don't deny that there was a quick response from the "online community", but I do deny that the public as a whole were against it.  I tried to compromise earlier by stating that some people were angered by it, surely that's enough?  And I don't want to enter a revert war, so please just discuss this rather than reverting it again. violet/riga (t) 22:19, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Watch eBay's UK chief David McCallum's interview ... he specifically stated that "while not unaminous, there is a very clear voice (the public) in favour of taking them down.... we are responding to the voices of our customers."
 * Do you think Bobby Geldof would have intervened like a pariah, had there been no public backlash in the first place? --Madchester 22:24, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, because he saw it as going against the principles of the event. The reference clearly shows that McCallum "listened to customers' concerns" – that does not mean "the public". violet/riga (t) 22:39, 14 June 2005 (UTC)

Both groups are NOT mutually exclusive. There were also many non-customers who signed up, just to protest eBay's actions. --Madchester 22:59, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * But one is a subset of the other. People that objected to it could complain or make silly bids.  People that supported it could do nothing to show such support.  Based on that logic we could just as easily say that the public were in support of selling the tickets on eBay because some people were.  Saying "the public" implies a larger group than we can prove, and we should therefore avoid saying such things.  violet/riga (t) 23:28, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually if you watched the BBC interview, there were a number of sellers/scalpers complaining about their rights. But the overwhelming response from the whole fiasco as suggested thru the media and interview has been against the resale of tix.  It should be noted that the tix themselves are deemed to be "non-transferable" and should never been sold in the first place. --Madchester 23:34, 14 June 2005 (UTC)

This is the official release:

''***Message from Doug McCallum: LIVE 8 Ticket Sales***

14 June, 2005 | 07:34PM BST

Dear all,

Today you have made it very clear to us that our previous decision to allow the sale of LIVE 8 tickets on eBay.co.uk was not one that the vast majority of you agreed with. As a result of this clear signal from the Community we have decided to prohibit the resale of LIVE 8 tickets on the site.

Although the resale of tickets is not illegal, we think that this is absolutely the right thing to do. We have listened to the views you expressed on the discussion boards and in the many emails you have sent to us. We shall be working over the next few hours to remove all LIVE 8 ticket listings from the site.

Thanks for taking the time to contact us and make your views heard,

Regards,

Doug McCallum Managing Director, eBay (UK) Ltd. On behalf of the whole eBay.co.uk team''

There had to be a considerable response from the public to generate such an unprecendented move by the company. --Madchester 00:42, 15 June 2005 (UTC)


 * And so now it's sourced, particularly if the above is included in the article, it's fine to say it. I do think, however, that it should be written to ensure that it doesn't imply that all the public were against it. violet/riga (t) 07:47, 15 June 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that.... I just felt that there had to be some more mention of the public impact on eBay's decision. I don't think Geldof alone could have influenced their decision. --Madchester 15:37, 15 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Madchester you relise by the logic you have used here the public wants a vandalised wikipedia? Geni 08:37, 19 June 2005

Canadian Live 8 Site
Until a report has confirmed a location, please, don't make any changes to the format. There's enough speculation as it is already, and anything added w/o a verifiable source is just more speculation. I'm trying to understand why all these ppl are making all the Toronto to Barrie edits, when neither Park Place nor World Vision Canada have formally annouced it to be the actual venue. With Downsview dropping Caravan from its lineup and 680 News discussing plans of Sunnyside Park on-air with Dan Ackroyd, anything is possible at the moment, including last minute changes. --Madchester 06:19, 18 June 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for advertising
Just a heads up to other Wiki peeps... some anonymous users edited the pages to use it to sell their Live 8 tickets. --Madchester 20:44, 18 June 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews links
This might be a surprise coming from me, but I think the three bordered Wikinews links are a bit over the top. I believe itemizing all Wikinews stories in the "External links" section should be sufficient. Thoughts?--Eloquence* 22:53, 19 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed, especially since there are two in one small section. violet/riga (t) 23:08, 19 June 2005 (UTC)


 * Put as many external links as possible in the external links rather than in the bulk of the article, SqueakBox 23:22, 19 June 2005 (UTC)


 * How's that? It's not the standard template, but it seems more appropriate to me for multiple stories.--Eloquence* 00:25, 20 June 2005 (UTC)

"Paris" and Canadian shows
Since the show is actually held in Versailles (in the suburbs of Paris), should the location be changed likewise? even though it'll probably be referred to as the Paris show in most media.

Likewise, while the Canadian show is held just outside of Barrie, even promoter Michael Cohl says its "this is a Toronto gig, it is happening in a place north of toronto and south of downtown Barrie." Outside of Canada, the media will simply say that the show was held north of Toronto, in Barrie... even though it's an hour's drive away.

If you visit the official Live 8 concert listings ,the show is still labelled as being in Toronto, even though it's north of Toronto in Barrie.

How should we go with the city naming procedure in the article?

--Madchester 15:11, 21 June 2005 (UTC)


 * Naming it Toronto on the Live 8 website is a PR thing, come on who has heard of Barrie that lives outside of Ontario? Park Place is actually a part of Barrie not Toronto, so I'd name it Barrie but possibly add that it is only a bit north of Toronto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.76.146 (talk) 23:32, 21 June 2005 (UTC)

The Live 8 website is now calling the Canadian show as "Barrie", NOT Toronto — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbfraser (talk • contribs) 19:30, 23 June 2005 (UTC)
 * We're all aware of that, but for the sake of an international audience at Wikipedia, it is best to refer to the Toronto location as well. Because most media outlets outside of Wikipedia will still be referring to the show as being held in or north of Toronto. --Madchester 20:06, 23 June 2005 (UTC)

Is there anything you need for or about the Barrie event??? I live in Barrie and also will be working the live 8 show in Molson Park (I'll never call it Park Place) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbfraser (talk • contribs) 20:39, 23 June 2005 (UTC)
 * First, Plz sign your remarks.
 * Second, Wikipedia has to appeal to the broadest audience possible. While ppl from Ontario know that Barrie and Toronto are two distinct cities, you can't assume that it's also common knowledge for people outside the province, let alone the outside the country.  It's especially important to present the relative location of Barrie to Toronto, considering that most international media outlets are doing so as well, whether it's Reuters, USA Today, or The New York Times.  Even Canadian sources from The Montreal Gazette to the CBC are providing similar details.
 * It'd be selfish and narrow-minded not to include such basic details for all readers, when they don't have the same geographical references that GTAers do. --Madchester 00:55, 24 June 2005 (UTC)

I suspect many Canadians are familiar with Barrie, since it has been a major concert venue for years. Even in high school in the 80s, I was accustomed to seeing concert tour t-shirts with Barrie listed and MuchMusic concert listing often mentioned the city. However, this knowledge may not be widespread and Barrie is probably unknown outside the country. So it should be qualified with "north of Toronto". --Westendgirl 04:51, 30 June 2005 (UTC)

Concert Name
Am I correct in guessing that Live8 is a play on "Live Aid" and G8? Unless I missed it, this is not addressed in the article, nor in the Live8 website. --Westendgirl 04:51, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * Totally right, yeah. We've made a poster in school about the event (and the name) and found it was not on the site.  It should be mentioned.  217.33.74.20 08:31, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * But is there a reference for this? --Westendgirl 18:44, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * None that I've seen, but I think it's pretty obvious. violet/riga (t) 23:48, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * An ad running in Canada says that 8 million people die from extreme poverty each year and then mentions the G8 leaders. So it appears there are 3 factors in the name. --Westendgirl 00:59, 1 July 2005 (UTC)

Time to split?
Is it time to split this into one page per concert, plus one page on the over-arching series? Then they'll be ready for set lists, etc. Andy Mabbett 11:35, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure that set lists are particularly encyclopedic, and I don't think there needs to be an individual article for each one. violet/riga (t) 13:46, 30 June 2005 (UTC)
 * The setlists are important, especially when the order of performers is known as the concerts are in progress. It can be used as a general timeline for the event, with a write up below to mention any memoriable incidents during the show.  Kind of like the Live Aid page.--Madchester 16:10, 30 June 2005 (UTC)


 * This article is rather disappointing in a way. Lots of list and bulletpoint type information. Splitting may well make it long better. Pcb21| Pete 14:59, 30 June 2005 (UTC)

Done now, anyway ;-) Andy Mabbett 16:13, 30 June 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't mind the concerts having separate articles so much (though a template should link them all) but I think some of the naming is a bit poor. Yes, there are multiple concerts in England, but why can't the other concerts (USA, Germany etc.) be listed under their more specific name (the city they are in)?  As it is we have some articles under a city name (London, Edinburgh), one under a county name (Cornwall) and many under a country name.  violet/riga (t) 23:44, 30 June 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy for them to be moved to city names. Andy Mabbett 10:31, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

I think we should put events that occured across concerts simultaniously (ie, Will Smith's opening finger clicks) on the main page. User:Barberio 16:55, 02 July 2005 (UTC)

Setlist layout
How should we layout the setlists? I think we need to include the time, presenters and performers (obviously), songs performed, and any other notable events related to each act. --Madchester 02:08, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

G8 Edinburgh March
Should we mention the march on edinburgh on this page, or create a linked stub? --Barberio 11:35, 02 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are related afterall. --Oldak Quill 17:04, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Events during the concert?
Should we start putting in, under a new header, significant events during the concert and events? --Barberio 15:38, 2 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, this is the nature of a wiki. --Oldak Quill 17:05, 2 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I added a Template Called 'Live' to signify that this is changing in near real time. This is what a wiki is about. Nick Catalano (Talk) 20:27, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Naming
I've just organised the article names to be consistent with the ones used throughout the venues. These are used on the TV captions and above the stage. The main problem one is the Eden Project (currently at "Cornwall"), which I'm not sure what to call. violet/riga (t) 17:47, 2 July 2005 (UTC)

Performers Getting Paid
I have been told that everyone who performed in one of the concerts was given a gift basket that included, among other things, a $6000 watch. Now, I don't believe that this is true, as the goal wasn't for money, and seems to defy the entire purpose of Live 8. Can anyone verify this, and if it is true, maybe it should be put in the article? Kaiser Matias 08:56, 2 July 2005 (UTC)


 * If confirmed... NuclearFunk — Preceding undated comment added 22:15, 2 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Likely, in this kind of situation, corprate backers would have provided these gift baskets as a donation. Besides, the musicians have essentially done 3 months work without pay. Geldof owes them a lot, and he knows it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.102.157 (talk) 14:47, 3 July 2005 (UTC)


 * 3 months work without pay. You have got to be kidding. They got plenty of rewards anyway with the publicity. they are not the ones without a voice. BBC claimed the received a $3,000 hamper each, SqueakBox 14:56, 3 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The orginal AP story only mentioned Philadelphia perfomers, reprinted here. Was the BBC talking saying the same applied to performers at the other concerts? Pcb21| Pete 15:21, 3 July 2005 (UTC)
 * the news i read about it only mentioned philadelphia indeed, so far no information about other location, kinda sad how some people freak out about this, but it certainly should be mentioned. Boneyard 08:08, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

The article is very slanted towards the artists receiving the supposed gift baskets. The performers willingly came to perform for free, it was only the organizers and corporate sponsors who gave away these gifts in the first place. --Madchester 18:36, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Apparently, it's very very amusing to change Live 8 to Live AIDS throughout this article. Because people in Africa have AIDS, get it? Yeah, me neither. I will continue to watch out for this one. Drseudo 21:25, 2 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Send it to WP:-) SYSS Mouse 02:29, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

Great
A great article is being created here...|||| — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.91.96.62 (talk) 00:18, 3 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree! But I also think that there should be a section covering significant/important events during the concerts... instead of doing a simple referring to the page of the specific concert... I think that many people will not bother, or take the time to browse thorugh it all... NuclearFunk — Preceding undated comment added 16:52, 3 July 2005 (UTC)


 * That's what the Concerts section should be, as I started doing yesterday. violet/riga (t) 17:07, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

Pink Floyd
We should mention the significance of the Pink Floyd reunion. I had, but this was removed in entirty as a 'POV'. --Barberio 11:06, 3 July 2005 (UTC)

"Strong language"
I have tried trawling through the Wikipedia policies, and I can see nothing which states that we have to pussyfoot around the use of words such as fuck which some people might find offensive. For this reason, I am adding back the direct quote from Madonna ("are you fucking ready, London?"), as it is a lot clearer to see why some complaints may have been made as a result, than if the article just says "Madonna, in London, was apologising for what she had shouted, due to profanity in her sentence after her first song." IF someone wishes to censor this article again, could they please discuss their reasons for doing so here first. And if there is a Wikipedia policy against quoting such language, then I apologise for breaking it. Regards. Tjwood 16:16, 3 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Quoting other people's swearing is absolutely fine, so what've you done seems fine. Pcb21| Pete 16:20, 3 July 2005 (UTC)
 * seen it happen in other articles also, some people are simply very touchy about such things and think they can make the world better by removing such words. Boneyard 08:11, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Lineups
The lineups take up too much room, and should be kept on the individual concert's pages. Andy Mabbett 08:17, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Especially as this page is now generating a size warning. Does anyone object, of I remove them? Andy Mabbett 19:33, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, thats done. The removed material is here /temp lineups in case anyone needs to retrieve any of it and paste on th eseparate pages. Andy Mabbett 19:59, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, removing them was a good idea. Jordan Turner 20:01, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Sail 8
We should also mention Sail 8 Andy Mabbett 08:18, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Live 8 Edinburgh March
I was under the impression the march on Edinburgh on Saturday was the one announced by MPH on New year's day, and was attended by about a quarter of a million, making it the largest protest in Scottish history, not 100,000 as said here. Geldof's one is on Wednesday, to coincide with the Live 8 concert then, which is why he said at the concert "I hope I'll see you in Edinburgh on Wednesday".

If this is correct, you should probably do something about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.168.174 (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This was a reference to the 'Last Push Concert', not a march. The 'Make Poverty History' group is the same organisation as 'Live 8'. (ps, please remember to add a signature on talk edits) --Barberio 21:41, 4 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Make Poverty History is a coalition of organisations, Live8 is merely a series of public events; MPH was launched on January 1, long before Live 8 was ever mooted. The protest and rally in Edinburgh on July 2 was announced at the same time as MPH launched, and it had been trailed in the press up here since January . Geldof and the other Live 8 initiators had little, if anything, to do with organising it. What Geldof did actually propose was a "Long Walk to Justice" protest four days later on July 6, to coincide with the final Live 8 concert in Edinburgh and the start of the G8 summit proper. This is totally different from the July 2 protest.  I've corrected the article to reflect this. Qwghlm 11:59, 5 July 2005 11:59 (UTC)

UB40
UB40 had with them a south- Asian style drum outfit; who were they? Andy Mabbett 19:32, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Bill Gates
It would be nice to see some comments about Bill Gate's appearance in the Hyde Park show. Hearing the way Bob Geldorf idolizes Gates is a real disappointment. The donations made to Africa by the Gates Foundation is probably quite small compared to, say, the worldwide donations. Seeing Gates on a stage about poverty and justice makes me sick, when one considers all the laws he has broken and his continuing efforts to close file formats, patent trivial software algorithms, etc. [Anon.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.190.93 (talk) 22:06, 4 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Umm regardless of his business pursuits, Bill Gates is the largest individual philantropist in the world today. And he's leaving a good chunk behind when he's dead. He donated 750 million to a Vaccine Fund to his charitable foundation this year (alone).  He's also the one funding all the ONE and Make Poverty History commercials you see on television. --Madchester 22:21, 4 July 2005 22:21 (UTC)


 * Gates donates $750m and he's some kind of heroic philanthropist, while the rest of the world poured $40b into the region over the same period, and we are nothing? And this is without mentioning that we, the workers, taxpayers and charitiable givers of the world, did not break the law to earn our money, nor are we in a position to push various IP restrictions down a variety of government's throats, thus stripping those nations of their ability to compete with America's software giants. And this a stage promoting "Justice". Why was Gates on the stage? To earn brownie points from the "feel good" left and pull attention away from his past and present business activities.--[Anon.] 18:28, 6 July 2005 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.188.205 (talk)
 * (Please sign edits to Talk pages.) I can see you have strong feelings on this point. You may wish to review Neutral point of view before suggesting changes. It may "sicken" you to see him on the stage, but it is a fact and it is encyclopedic to report it in the article, regardless of your personal feelings on the matter. --Dhartung | Talk 19:56, 6 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Of course a 750 million donation by one person makes him a heroic philanthropist. He's worth...40 billion or something.  He just gave almost 1/40 of his fortune in one year.  If you made $40 grand, would you give a grand in charity each year?  Also,  its not like Africa is not in the business of developing software.  So if he's stealing, he's stealing from first world countries and giving it to third world countries.  130.219.8.253 23:03, 8 July 2005 (UTC)

Reaction
Shouldn't there be a section on reaction to the performances? For example, many artists (especially Pink Floyd) have seen album increases in the UK following the concert, indicating that they were well-received. On the other hand, Pete Doherty's Libertines album registered a 35% decline in sales, the only album from a performer to fall...

Acegikmo1 07:11, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

I think there should be a follow up on the webpage hits for Make Poverty History, ONE, Live 8, etc. since the concerts have aired. And what about the sale of the white wristbands? I'm wondering if there's been more orders placed since the shows. --Madchester 18:38, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not raw data
Not to sound crochety, but do we *really* need a country-by-country list of broadcasters? This is a very good example of why people should be conservative about adding current-events type information into an article -- because 90% of it is worthless after the event is no longer current.

Wikipedia is not a collection of pointless data. Does anyone really care that public channel CT2 of Ceská televize broadcast it in Czechoslovakia, or 99FM in Lebanon? How about a month from now? A year? Can you think of any realistic situation where someone would want to know that? No? Then why is it in the article? Lists are bad writing in general, and they dillute the useful information.

That section should be summarized (e.g, 99% of it deleted) as soon as the current events tag comes off, if not sooner. &rarr;Raul654 08:13, 5 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I would hive it off to a separate page, at the least (maybe leping key points); then, perhaps, VFD. Andy Mabbett 08:26, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, now that you mention it, that is just a load of pointless information. A seperate page isn't even necessary; why would anyone care about all that to begin with? joturner 03:15, 6 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think a seperate page should be created for the information. Most people won't care about it, but there are some possible scenarios in which people might want it, like if someone was writing an essay on Live 8 at some point in the future and used Wikipedia as a reference tool. Before the event I think it was worth having it on the main page, but now I think it should be moved to a seperate article. --Yoko-onassis 17:14, 6 July 2005 (UTC)


 * My example is that people are exchanging recordings of the concerts right now and use this information as a reference.
 * Most contries have not covered the event in full. So far I've only seen one song of the Moscow concert. Because of this is it interesting for me to know that CT2 (which is closer to Moscow than the BBC) had a coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.154.143.85 (talk) 07:29, 8 July 2005 (UTC)

Who paid for it?
It probably cost a few millions pounds to organize an event like that. I'm really curious who footed the bill? The article refers to the 500K vat rebate from the government to the 'organizers'... surely Bob Geldof didn't pick up tab? Adidas — Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As mentioned in the section on Tickets, some of the proceeds of the text lottery in the UK went towards costs of the London concert. I would conjecture that the remainder was paid by (largely unnamed) corporate sponsors (although there were big Nokia signs up in the background in Hyde Park), and perhaps the record companies contributed also (they would benefit from increased sales due to the the publicity). I imagine some of the equipment was provided at reduced rates/loaned free etc. Tjwood 20:36, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Record companies were most likely not involved For example, the Canadian show was largely funded by broadcast fees from CTV, which won rights to air the show in Canada. --Madchester 21:28, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

Japanese Live 8
Is it true that only 7500-10000 people showed up for the Japanese live 8? Can anyone confirm this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.214.87 (talk) 03:00, 6 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah I heard that too. I think that is true. - joturner 03:20, 6 July 2005 (UTC)


 * That's because it was announced less than a week before the event. The venue wasn't meant to hold that many people anyway. --Madchester 03:48, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

We might have to alter the playlist for McFly in Tokyo because it appears 'I've Got You' was not their opening number. There is a video on Youtube of the band performing ‘5 Colors In Her Hair’. It is definitely from the concert and appears to be their opening number. In every other video the lights are already up when the band begins, but in this song the lights are down and they emerge from the darkness to greet the hall.

Also, Good Charlotte apparently began their set with 'The Anthem' and not 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous'. Again, they emerge from the darkness and yell, "Tokyo, are you ready?!" And again, this is on Youtube.

Both videos I have identified as possible opening numbers also share a common thread with other opening acts from this venue: All begin with a projection of the Live 8 logo. (207.81.164.238 19:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC))

Opinion
Live-8 is really a bunch of "feel good, do good" people wanting to give Africa yet another large sum of money (this time in the form of debt forgiveness) with exactly zero performance goals. Too much aid, of whatever form, ends up buying weapons or increasing Africa's birth rate, setting it up (once again) for another disastrous round of devastating famines. Too often warlords sell product, buy weapons, and engage in civil war. An enlightenment needs to happen in Africa, moving it away from 12th century religious (and 19th century political) ideologies, and toward sustainment and democratic systems. Live-8 did nothing to address or promote these fundamental issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.188.236 (talk) 20:07, 6 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Since you have no sources or evidence to back your claims, I'd suggest that you share your comments on another medium whether its some messageboard or discussion forum. --Madchester 20:45, 6 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This isn't the "Live 8" article, Madchester. What's wrong with him voicing his opinions, which might I add, he did a very succinct job of doing? Cueball 05:25, 7 October 2005

Still a current event?
Is this still a current event? --Celestianpower 16:35, 7 July 2005 (UTC)


 * User:Estel has already removed the current event tag at 16:20, July 7, 2005. --michael180 21:40, 7 July 2005 (UTC)

Met goal of $25 billion?
I remember reading that Geldof wanted the G8 nations to pledge $25 billion in aid and that anything else meant Live8 failed. Now we know that $50 billion was pledged. However I just read on wikinews.org that the concerts failed to meet expectations. Does anyone else know about this? Bubbachuck 23:08, 8 July 2005 (UTC)

Performers list
I can't see a performer's list anywhere... is that just an oversite, or is there one somewhere. -- user:zanimum — Preceding undated comment added 23:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * They're listed under the individual concerts. Andy Mabbett 23:21, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

1985 Live8?
Is there already a page for the 1985 Live8 concert(s) as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.40.179 (talk) 12:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yup, at Live Aid Sam Vimes 12:13, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Massive lobbying effort
I have something I would like to add to the "criticisms" section but I want to see if there is support for it first. What bothered me about Live 8 is that it was, essentially, a massive lobbying effort to get the politicians in the West to spend their citizen's tax money on a cause which the Live 8 organizers were hyped up about. But I could be the lone ranger here, and I don't want to just stick in my own point of view without getting some feedback to see if other contributors think it's and appropriate addition. orporg 13:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

DVD
Anyone know if this is coming out on DVD, or if they got permission off the performers to release it on DVD in the future? Richy 14:31, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

It came out already... WestJet — Preceding undated comment added 17:25, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

UK Slant
Did anyone else feel that this article is very biased towards the concert in the UK? You have to read it damn closely to even notice that other concerts were even held. -Drdisque 00:34, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What UK slant? The UK gig was the largest one and had the most high profile performers... it's as simple as that. Don't forget, the G8 conference was being held in Scotland.  If you want the non-UK info, just read into the respective concert articles. --Madchester 01:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

'Sir' Bob
As Bob Geldof is a citizen of the Irish Republic, he is not entitled to use the prefix 'Sir' with his name despite being a KBE. I've therefore removed the two incorrect references. --Breadandcheese 19:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Kanye West's Comments
The fact that Kanye West stated that "man-made diseases placed in African communities" is not necessarily a reference to the theory that AIDS was created to exterminate African populations. There is another theory that AIDS was created in the small pox? vaccine, since it was created with monkeys' kidneys that were infected with the SIV virus that eventually transferred to humans. This theory is well developed in the movie "Origins of AIDS". The fact that the reference is ambiguous, and that only one is stated in this article, I argue, makes for a not-neutral POV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.236.142 (talk) 23:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, I am going to change it to the belief in the OPV AIDS hypothesis because the comment is not context and it can only be editiorializing without a full quote. I do not think it is a netural POV either. 141.153.174.3 09:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

STOP SPAM PLEASE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.130.149.138 (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Make Promises Happen Special
I added some info about the special airing tonight. WestJet 16:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Such information should be signaled in your edit summary, not on the talk page. Be bold! --m3taphysical 19:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing needed
Apologies -- I read wikipedia a lot but don't add or edit a great deal, but this article really seems to need some work. The Spice Girls section I found interesting and informative, but sentences like:

"Although the story behind this performance that never happened was more known only by people at the UK, news and rumours kept everyone for months unsure whether their reunion was true or not"

need to be rewritten. Also

"The MTV and VH1 Live 8 broadcasts were a complete betrayal of the foundations upon which the networks were built. It was a far cry from the comparative coverage of Live Aid, which aired live from the London opening to the Philadephia close."

seems to go against the neutral POV policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swyves (talk • contribs) 07:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Raphael videos
I have two videos of Raphael performing in France on Youtube, whereas your playlist lists one. (207.81.164.238 01:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC))

Peter Kay
I'm pretty sure Peter Kay doesn't drink, so I don't think he was drunk when he introduced the Who. So I've removed it. Swaddon1903 20:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Memorable moments
Don't you people think that it's totally unnecessary - not to mention a bit of an exaggeration - to name the Roger Waters appearance with Pink Floyd "one of the most remarkable incidents of modern music history"? Memorable, widely anticipated, yes; "one of the most remarkable incidents of modern music history" sounds like mere POV. I've removed it. If someone opposes to it, we can rediscuss it here, though. I also edited the reference to The Who reprising their Live Aid performance, by playing Who Are You and Won't Get Fooled Again, since the former had not been played 20 years before - when the band did a 4-song performance, by the way, not merely two, like in 2005.

Now, another edit that I wish I had done, but preferred not to, since it would mean the deletion of an entire section of the article (albeit a very short one): don't you think that the lack of response of the Roman crowd to Duran Duran is hardly a memorable moment, worthy of mentioning here? By definition, memorable should imply something to be remembered (generally in a positive light), not something that people weren't even paying attention to at the time it happened. Mentioning the controversial appearance by Pete Doherty is one thing, since it generated a lot of talk, but Duran Duran seem to be entirely out of context here. I'm for removing the whole mention to Rome in this section, but preferred to post here first, to see some of the opinions about it. JimboB 05:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so no one answered. I removed it then. Let's discuss it here. If someone feels it shouldn't have been done, show me your arguments. Cheers. JimboB 23:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Look like good changes to me. 74.77.208.52 15:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Bono's Jacket: The blurb about Paul McCartney stealing Bono's jacket and wearing it on stage - I can't confirm from the source cited BUT if you watch the video - Paul McCartney is NOT wearing a jacket during the performance.... Pklala (talk) 22:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.187.216 (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Is there will be another LIVE8 conert? and when?
Is there will be another LIVE8 conert? and when? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.61.164.98 (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Images
Hi there, this Flickr user has been very helpful and let me use some of his Pink Floyd images for an article I'm writing. I thought I'd post his page here, in case anyone else was interested:

Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

More needed
How much was raised total? Any information about ratings is needed too. Also something about it being broadcasred online.--Cooly123 01:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)