Talk:Live Through This

Ripped off?
I have acquired a commercial for the movie Excess Baggage, which features background music that is a note-for-note, syllable-for-syllable ripoff of the song "She Walks On Me" from this album. I'd love to expose this ripoff further. Please contact me. clint@acm.vt.edu ClintJCL (talk) 15:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Similar composition?
Just a quick question...

The album's composition is similar to Nirvana's Nevermind, which was written almost completely by Cobain, except with a more mainstream sound.

What does that mean, exactly? Tenn 18:45, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

--- I think the AllMusic review under the "Reappraisal" section is given way too much prominence. Production values are high is a "flaw" - yes of course she was trying to compete in the rock world of that day. But here's a lyric that talks to the attitude, from Doll Parts: "I fake it so real, I am beyond fake". She's clearly not going for DIY. It's 1994.

He's not the leader
Why is Cobain listed first in the "Personnel" section? Isn't he just a guest on the album?--Pinko1977 14:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * No one is really sure what exactly he did. We know for a fact that he did sing back up vocals on "Asking for it". A certain mix exists which has him clearly on vocals. If you listen very closely toward the end of the song in the retail version you will hear his voice singing back up. He may have also sang back up vocals on other songs as well. There were even rumors that Dave Grohl played drums on one of the songs (that were finally put to rest in the last year when the drummer of Hole said that though she did borrow a drum from Grohl, Grohl did not contribute any drumming to this album). Other than the back up vocals, there are rumors going around that Cobain did everything from playing guitar on some songs to writing some of the songs. I THINK (could be wrong) that he is playing guitar on a song on My body, the hand grenade... Who knows.... Flyerhell 07:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I've re-sorted the personnel section into a sensible order. It was in alphabetical order, probably because that's the way that AllMusicGuide list names on their site - there are a lot of pages on Wikipedia where the crew listing has clearly been copied straight from AMG and not cleaned up. — sjorford (talk)  19:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Kurt's vocals
The section under "Kurt Cobain's backing vocals" doesn't make a bit of sense: This album was released FIVE DAYS after Cobain's death, which means the final CD was already well into the distribution pipeline when he killed himself. Therefore, it's impossible that the original version of the album could have been remixed after his death, and there is no indication that there are differences in different pressings of the album. This is a rumor repeated by someone who has no idea how the music business operates and has no place here.


 * I agree. There's no reason for it to be a seperate section, even.  I'm removing the speculative (or just plain wrong) info and re-incorporating it into the main paragraph. Of course, one could speculate that she had it remixed in advance of his death because she knew full well he'd be...oh, but I'm not getting into that here.  HAR HAR HAR!!! Anazgnos 19:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation of album title?
Not really sure it should go in the article, but if anyone knows with any hard proof whether the title is "live" pronounced as in "a live recording" or "live" as in "alive", I would greatly appreciate it as I have always wondered and never really seen it written anywhere. While I strongly feel it's "alive", I've just never found any argument that it *isn't* the other way around... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.17.245.196 (talk) 12:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
 * In Asking For It, the lyrics are “And if you live through this with me, I swear that I would die for you”. --FlareNUKE 06:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Different Capitalisation
What's the deal? Why was it changed to Live through This instead of Live Through This. --FlareNUKE 02:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

This is what I was thinking too. Live Through This is the appropriate title of the album. --Blackmorningsun 22:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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PAGE MOVED; see discussion section below. -GTBacchus(talk) 22:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Live through This → Live Through This — I think that's the official capitalisation, also that was what it really was. FlareNUKE 07:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey

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Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) This is what I was thinking too. Live Through This is the appropriate title of the album. --Blackmorningsun 22:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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 * Sorry - I have just made that move anyway ! I suspect the move was thought to be following WP:NC - "In band names and titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for), prepositions (in, to, over), articles (an, a, the), or the word to when used to form an infinitive." but they missed the further comment "Words of five letters or longer are generally capitalized, regardless of their part of speech." If anyone strongly believes it should be "Live through This", please explain why. -- Beardo 08:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you were right to move the page, for precisely the reason you stated. This is a clear case of complying with our standard rules for capitalizing titles, and could have been handled as an uncontroversial move.  I'll go ahead and remove its listing from WP:RM. -GTBacchus(talk) 22:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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Back Cover
Who is the girl on the back cover? Is that a younger Courtney Love? -98.221.133.96 (talk) 04:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Songwriting credit
On this page it states that Courtney Love & Eric Erlandson were the credited songwriters for Live Through This, while in the CD insert itself, it says "All songs written by Hole". In addition, there are specific lyrics of "Miss World" that are line-for-line copies of lyrics in the song "Limited Edition" performed by Janitor Joe, Kristen Pfaff's band prior to joining Hole. I'm just curious as to who came to the conclusion that Love/Erlandson were the only songwriters on this album, when it's clear that Kristen Pfaff contributed to several tracks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.130.128 (talk) 07:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * While I agree with you— it's been stated that Schemel and Pfaff made contributions to the writing— they are not credited on BMI, and I believe the article has been written based off the copyright/songwriting credits. Scottdoesntknow (talk) 22:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

An Horse reference
Fun fact: this album is mentioned by Australian indie rock band An Horse “Like that good Hole album, I can live through this, I can live through worse.” The song is called Camp Out from the album Rearrange Beds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.151.131 (talk) 03:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Spin magazine article on album
There's an Oral History article on Spin magazine (http://www.spin.com/articles/you-will-ache-like-i-ache-the-oral-history-of-holes-live-through-this/) that has most of the people who were involved in the making of the album - Courtney, Patty, Eric, Sean Slade and others. Among other things that's mentioned in there is this part down that specifically mentions Wikipedia:
 * Eric Erlandson: One thing: Wikipedia is so wrong. I just read the whole Live Through This Wikipedia thing, and it's so wrong.


 * Patty Schemel: Oh, so full of shit, that Wikipedia. France? We didn't go to France. That's a load of shit.

Might be worth someone reconciling the Spin article with what we already have... Tabercil (talk) 00:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)