Talk:Llanelli

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What is the Geography section for? Unless you are a captain of a ship or somthing I don't think those numbers are going to help the average person to locate where LLanelli is. It would be better to say that it is located in South Wales or somthing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cap (talk • contribs) 18:23, 2 September 2004 (UTC)

Regarding the anglicised spelling, I'm indebted to User:Owain for alerting me to this, and found the following corroberating sources-  --Myfanwy 01:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Population
The infobox says 75 000 and the article says 44 000. Both quote the 2001 census. Which is correct?--193.195.185.254 22:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Keith Allen
Added under Famous Citizens. His biography says born in Swansea. Is there any link with Llanelli? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike 87 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Keith Allen
He was brought up in Bryn, Llanelli, and educated at the now Ysgol Gymraeg Brynsierfel, Llwynhendy, Llanelli. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.240.123 (talk) 14:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Sport?
As Llanelli has such a proud sporting tradition, should it have a Sport section seperate from Culture and media? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthernWelshman (talk • contribs) 02:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Geraint "The Snakeman" Hopkins
I'd just like to reiterate that Geraint Hopkins, also known as Geraint the Snakeman is a real person who deals with snakes and claims to be a ghost hunter, however he is not famous enough to be listed in the Llanelli Wikepedia article. I'd also like your opinion on whether Imogen Thomas is famous enough to be in the famous citizens section of the article.


 * Imogen Thomas is famous enough, she did become a nation celeb for a while. As far as 'The Snakeman' is concerned, he's not famous enough. The problem is whether after this talk someone will vandalise his name back into the article. Ryanofwales (talk) 01:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC).
 * This one is coming back up. According to WP:BIO, "a person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published, independent secondary source material". Geraint "The Snakeman" Hopkins has been featured in the local & regional news, and by the Council, for example   So personally, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. What do others think? Pondle (talk) 15:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't buy this one. Every area has its own individuals who specialise in animals, snakes, bats or whatever and the references given are only passing references and, in my view, have not established any specific or particular claim to fame for this individual (and his wife Yoland). Specifically there is not enough to support an article without it being immediately tagged for deletion and I would judge therefore that notability has not been established. Velela (talk) 17:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

has acted in a number of both Welsh and English television programmes and films including young winston, provides reptiles and information for the media and now part owns his own television company, became known as the snakeman for his charity work also runs his own paranormal company and has worked with a number of companies including Most Haunted. Born in Hendy, has lived in Llanelli for over 30 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.47.82 (talk) 23:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

External links clean-up?
May I suggest that some of the external links be removed by people who work regularly on this entry? A few of them look like external link spamming. For example,
 * 1) Llanelli Online The Number #1 Site For Llanelli
 * 2) Ghost Watch Wales, a company of ghost busters based in Llanelli
 * 3) Llanelli Scar, an online parody of the local newspaper 'The Llanelli Star'

All these look like they fall foul of External_links. The top two look like spam; the bottom one is just out of place in an encyclopedia entry. However, since I'm just passing through, I'll leave someone else to debate and/or remove them.... Marcusswann 19:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

May I suggest that someone has a particular dislike for the subject but what his wife has to do with the discussion, I dont quite get, she is very hard working, knows what to do with PR and has been through hell and back from a young age, good on her for all her excellent efforts. I was under the impression that someone was unhappy that a person who is well known and respected by the majority of people in the town is famous or not not in having a go at someone who has never done anything to be in the press herself and does so much for others that is unseen in the background. I have to admit I have a problem seeing why a person who has kicked a rugby ball around all their lives but does nothing much for the community has the right to be called famous but yet some people have a problem seeing a local person often refered to as a legend who has been widely published, not only as a major charity fundraiser but also as someone who was instrumental to the saving of Prince Phillips A&E department as a famous person. Geraint can be seen on television almost weekly, has been an ambassador for Llanelli and it does make you wonder just what anyone could have against him. I have known Geraint for years and I can tell you what you see is what you get, people who know him personally know him well but there are others sadly who because they are incapable of so much good themselves will always twist things to their own ends. Just how much I wonder has anyone here done for others and maybe the most important question of all, I work in the media and therefore am qualified enough to have an oppinion, just how qualified are you, if at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snookyboos (talk • contribs) 03:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation
How is Llanelli pronounced? 87.160.182.30 (talk) 22:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know the proper way to write the pronunciation but here's my explanation: if you take"x" to be prnounced like the "ch" in loch then I believe Llanelli is pronounced xlan-ex-lí (or thereabouts). 78.86.61.94 (talk) 02:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

This is absolutely incorrect, I'm afraid. Ll or ll in Welsh represents a voiceless alveolar lateral fricative, and is written ɬ in IPA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.115.33.180 (talk) 16:14, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is how it is currently given in the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Lakeside, Llanelli
This article has almost no content, and throws almost nothing on Google. Seems like it would be better as a redirect. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 06:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 18:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That's fine for now. If anyone can produce a more comprehensive article on Lakeside they should do it thought!Ryanofwales (talk) 00:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Pronounciacion
Hello, could a native speaker please record an .ogg sound file for the pronounciation of Llanelli (as in London, for example) and add it to the article? I'm not a native speaker of Welsh or English, and after reading the section "Etymology of Llanelli" --> "Pronunciation and spelling" I still have no exact idea what "ll" really sounds like.--87.160.190.230 (talk) 15:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Development projects
If development projects such as Parc Trostre etc. should be included on this article they should be listed under leisure and tourism. Adding an extra section is unnecessary and it looks untidy. Ryanofwales (talk) 09:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Peter 'the hairdresser' Harris
Up and coming stylist to the stars Peter Harris is currently training in the welsh town of Llanelli. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melon ice cream (talk • contribs) 20:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

pron. [ɬaˈnɛɬi]
Oh, is that how it's pronounced? well, i'm glad i bothered coming to wiki to find out how llanelli is pronounced. it's pronounced squiggle-a'nesquigglei.

Can some welsh dude please put up next to the precise-if-you-know-it-useless-if-you-don't IPA a rough approximation in english. am i right in thinking it's kla'ne'cklee? --Dak (talk) 19:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

✅ --Dak (talk) 01:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Double LL is a sound made by blowing air out of one side of the mouth between the teeth and cheek.It sounds nothing like Kla'necklee -- 86.159.4.112 16:34, 1 September 2009


 * Yes, but would a welsh speaker please record a sound clip and add it, please? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL you can do it, just make a gentle Th sound on the back of your tongue like you are trying to dislodge a hair and turn that into an L sound just at the end ... it is more like Thlanethlee than Kla'necklee (says a Black Country born naturalised Welshman). 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 16:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation!
This article really, really needs a decent .ogg file telling people how to pronounce its title. I'm sure there are plenty Welsh folk who can't pronounce Llanelli, so how are the rest of us supposed to get it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.222.219.34 (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Just added links to external sites with spoken pronunciation of Llanelli. Emerald (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Welsh names
Is this addition justifed? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:55, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No. This article is about Llanelli. Any Welsh translations of other place names belong on the articles that are specific to those places. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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Nonconformist?
So is the text that I removed and the anon before did even factual or a WP: Original research as I have checked maps and all those chapels are still active with the parish church? Wales might be a heavy non-religion country as of the 2021 census but Christianity is still the largest religion in the country and second to non religion. Please feel free to provide me with an evident that those chapels have closed or are due to close? DragonofBatley (talk) 11:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Just Google maps has confirmed to me Bethel Chapel, Moriah Chapel, Hope Baptist Chapel, Ebenezer Chapel among others are still open on the map results. None are permanently closed. So can an editor explain how that previous thing was factual when it is far from true and we are in 2023? DragonofBatley (talk) 11:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I think you'll find it was referenced so I will revert you and here is another source https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/church-chapel-congregations-slowly-deserting-13722397. A chapel on a map is just that, a building. Why so indignant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.132.57 (talk) 12:47, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * One source doesn't mean anything. And saying you'll revert me implies WP: Editwarring so don't start that or I'll have to take your edit warring to noticeboard. So I'll ask others to comment. So indignant means I'm being angry or annoyed is false. I want to see reliable sources confirming that and not just a piece of non sourced text. So don't engage in reverting with me as you have stated above or I will take it to noticeboard for edit warring. DragonofBatley (talk) 15:37, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * And to add, your source is from 2017. It's not recent as the recent census results and one headline means nothing. Official statistics and reliable material from proper sites is important. A 2017 article is nothing in 2023 aside from a primary source. Secondary sources are needed. I'll also ask for some input from, and  for some input. Is it right to use a statement without any updates sources and again I'm not blind to Wales being heavily secular to religious but I find the statement falls under WP: Controversial and WP:Original research. DragonofBatley (talk) 15:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , wanted to invite you to discuss this as well DragonofBatley (talk) 15:44, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't normally need secondary sources to state something exists/its location unless perhaps controversial.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 15:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you think, the statement that was previously used supposedly saying all the chapels will close by 2020s doesn't need a source? I might be reading it differently or looking into it but it reads as more a prediction then factual. And that was from 2017 as the anon added. I don't appreciate their term for accusing me of anger or annoyance when I question something I'd find both Controversial and as original research. Also their I'll revert you which they did after commenting shows they are likely to Edit war. I find something like that needs a source especially when claiming three chapels will magically close down in the 2020s when there's nothing to confirm that other than one news article. And it's not even an up to date one. I say this with respect but I'd be expected to source anything I'd claim or it be removed as unsourced. So I find it applies here on Llanelli and one news article from 2017 and a perspective of one anon isn't enough grounds to warrant it. It's definitely controversial and original research to make false claims on one source only. And also the anon is clearly annoyed with me removing something and questioning it's notability DragonofBatley (talk) 16:04, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to also note, it wasn't just the chapels I had been reverted on but me rounding up the miles from 10.5 to 11. This is done as it makes it easier to round up miles altogether. Not many people go Swansea is 30.6 miles from Cardiff. They'd go Cardiff is about 30-31 miles from Swansea. So I'm trying to round them up to make it easier as only things to use .s are maps. When not normally it say continue on M6 for 30 miles not 30.2 miles. Or vice versa. Is that controversial? Not really as it's maps and measurements of miles. Not claims three chapels will close from a 2017 article. There's the difference. DragonofBatley (talk) 16:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Going back to your original question, I think what you removed is WP:OR and WP:CRYSTAL. Huw Edwards is a well respected journalist and author, and his 2009 book runs to 300 pages, but it is just that - the work of one person from 2009. We are now into the fourth year of the 2020's and from what DragonofBatley has shown, there are clearly more chapels active than what was predicted in the book. It just hasn't come true and thus the addition was right to be reverted. --10mmsocket (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Taking just one type of church - Baptist Union of Wales - you'll see a number of surviving churches in Llanelli. Not bad considering Huw Davies' prediction. Shows exactly what it is - a bit of crystal ball gazing that has proven to be incorrect. --10mmsocket (talk) 21:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your two replies and yeah, I am also aware of Huw Edwards. Read some of his material and it only took a Google search of chapels in Llanelli and it came up with more than five-ten different chapels and community chapels. As well as the main parish church and RC church. I find it sometimes funny some readers and editors are under the impression that because a major proportion of the population are non-religion. Churches and chapels close quickly but forget people can live for decades and newcomers to the world can also be religious giving these chapels and churches more years to decades of being used for religious and community purposes which is what these buildings are. But with Muslims also making up a portion of Wales population and other religions. Technically Wales is still 52% religious to 48% non. But yeah old predictive text doesn't always reflect modern trends or predictions. And this original research and crystal ball 🔮 research proves that. DragonofBatley (talk) 06:10, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

A published author is not original research, reverting him is simply pushing your own opinion. Many chapels were demolished, converted to other uses or were derelict before he wrote the book. The buildings might survive but not the congregations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.133.237 (talk) 14:34, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


 * So an author who predicts is all of a sudden reliable? How does that work? 188.30.125.39 (talk) 19:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Two chapels mentioned in the article, Siloah and Soar, closed in 2005. Edwards spoke about the crisis of Welsh churches and chapels on 25 March 2023. Welsh chapels are closing throughout Wales. This problem hasn't gone away. https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/broadcaster-huw-edwards-to-speak-at-llanelli-workers-educational-association/ I think I will reinstate the edit. Feel free to find a reference that says chapels are staying open. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.30.205.84 (talk) 13:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Llanelli Waterside development
Hasn't much of this already been built, especially the residential developments such as Pentre Nicklaus? There's no mention of Pentre Awel either, probably the most relevant development at the moment. CapG57 (talk) 11:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)