Talk:Lorenz Christoph Mizler

Merge
I am convinced that Lorenz Mizler de Kolof and Wawrzyniec Mitzler de Kolof are the same person. Here are some of the most striking commonalities:
 * Same name, in German and Polish spelling.
 * Life dates: 1711–1778.
 * Moved to Poland from Saxony in 1743 (which is where the Wawrzyniec article begins)
 * Held position as Saxon/Polish court physician

I propose that the pages be merged.--Mardhil (talk) 14:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge sure it is the same person sure nodoubt see www.mizler.de!!--Felbick 13 March 2011


 * They are not the same person, however. If you read the biography of the latter, it is mentioned that he was an advocate for the emancipation of Poland, whereas there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Lorenz Christoph Mizler was at all political.  He was more concerned about the scientific aspects and philosophical aspects of music.  Dgljr5121973 (talk) 06:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose Neutral unless more compelling evidence exists that these are the same people. It does not appear that they are. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 08:26, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * [transclusion]: I have written a book with 600 pages about this person. There is no doubt: He has a German name and a polish name. I can tell you all the details.... I have the problem, that I am German and do not understand your language perfectly. So: Who works the merging?Felbick (talk) 18:23, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Usually the one who makes the nomination will do it, but since it is so old, you can do it. If you have the reliable sources from your research for your book, then by all means proceed. I would caution you to be careful of Original research tho. Also, If you need help, let me know. I can help you through the process.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 21:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes GenQuest I need help your through the process. What should I do?Felbick (talk) 21:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * First, the name of the merged article needs to be determined: Lorenz Christoph Mizler or Wawrzyniec Mitzler de Kolof. I suggest the former. Then any content from the latter article needs to be incorporated into the former. There will be problems with nationality-related categories: German? Polish? German-Polish? It may be most appropriate not to assign any nationality. As for "who is going to do it": the creator of the latter article, User:Nihil novi is still active; maybe she/he can be persuaded. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed: The former name Lorenz Christoph Mizler is his real name. In his letters he called himself Lorenz Christoph Mizler. But in polish language this spelling does not sound as the german sound of this name, but if polish people read Mitzler, it sounds like the german word Mizler. But my problem is, that I dont know your English language very good to understand the complex procedure how to merge. I need help.Felbick (talk) 22:07, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Felbick.
 * 1) First, I think we need a place to do this merge, as it will be rather complex due to your lack of English, and my decided lack of German ;-) I think the best way for us to proceed would be for you to create a page in your user-space where we can translate and edit all in one. Probably my biggest concern will be that, as I understand it, you have the references—probably in German—that we will use to do this. I will need to wholly rely on you for translation of those citations into reasonable enough English where I can copyedit them into proper usage. (I'm pretty good at extrapolating meaning, so don't get too hung up about all that).
 * ✅ See: User:Felbick/Lorenz Christoph Mizler GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 21:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) We will then be able to copy and paste the text from the two articles into a single article.
 * ✅ GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 21:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Once that is done, I'll show you how to transfer that into the article—replacing the content of the article that we choose to keep. (The other, un- used article will become a redirect [I'll do all that].)
 * 4) I also assume that your non-OR references will clarify that the two entries are indeed about the same person.


 * What are your thoughts? If anything technical about anything here intimidates you, I (or any other willing editor) can do that step instead. Regards, GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 23:35, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Felbick (talk) 17:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I moved the new article into place. Please look it over, as there is a need for translation into English for a couple of the names of some of his works, music and societies. There are some inline citations needed too. I marked those spots. GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 22:28, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Dates of Mizlers Life
Mizler was born on 26th of July 1711 see mizler.de with the german source of the church of Heidenheim (Chronologie with link) --Felbick 13 March 2011