Talk:Louie (American TV series)

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Spring[edit]

Why does the article say it begins airing in June? The sources provided just say "Spring." Also, this commercial [1] says it begins airing April 1.Larphenflorp (talk) 06:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I found this page [2] that says is has been moved to June, but there's no mention of the fifteenth. So, as it stands now, the article is referencing two articles that do not accurately represent the information given in the article. The above citation is closer to the truth, but it's still lacking. Larphenflorp (talk) 05:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sitcom?[edit]

I don't know if this show technically qualifies as a sitcom, it seems to be about half drama half comedy NaveedKoval (talk) 18:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sitcom means situation comedy, meaning comedy coming from random situations. Sometimes on Louie, Mr. C.K. picks dramatic situations to derive his comedy from. It still technically qualifies as a sitcom.--Beausalant (talk) 23:46, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's debatable. My understanding of situation comedy is that it relies on a stable recurring situation (such as: doctors working in a hospital in the Korean War, or a paper-products sales office with a socially awkward boss and his staff). A lot of standup comes from "random situations," and nobody refers to that as situation comedy. In Louie, the lead character is consistently a comedian who has two daughters, but everything else is a lot closer to sketch comedy in terms of lack of cohesion. His living situation (at least in the second season) is different every time, his daughters are played by different actresses across episodes, and there don't seem to be a lot of common threads running through each episode. Seinfeld, uncontroversially a sitcom, was famously random but still featured the same four well-defined core characters who had long-running storylines and who ate at the same cafeteria every time and so on. In any case, it's not up to us to decide, but rather to reflect what reliable sources say. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 07:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Black comedy or dark comedy?[edit]

May I also say that I feel as though the term "dark comedy" is proper term, juxtaposed to the current "black comedy". I say that because I believe that is what FX and lead in "Wilfred" refer to their shows as. - User:LaneJlubell 18:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lane, I think your comment about the term "black comedy" would be better in another section, and I suppose the same goes for my comment on your comment. The section you posted in is about whether it's a sitcom or not. Accordingly I have created a new section. Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with the term "black comedy", in my opinion, when used to mean comedy that is pessimistic and disturbing, and relatively thought-provoking. The term "dark comedy" seems to be a PC euphemism for "black comedy", used by people who are afraid to use the word "black", in case someone thinks that that would indicate racism on their part - an absurd conclusion. If it were something to do with race, would there not be "white comedies"? Mark Matthew Dalton (talk) 01:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Figures don't match in budget[edit]

One paragraph says that FX paid Louis CK $200,000 for thw whole show, costs and his salary, but then the next paragraph says that FX gave him $250,000 for the first episode alone. Do the people who wrote those paragraphs know which is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.112.82.129 (talk) 06:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's likely that both paragraphs are accurate. The first paragraph doesn't actually state that Louis was paid $200,000 -- it just includes a quote from Louis in which he references a conversation he had with an exec from FX. They may have renegotiated to $250,000 after that conversation took place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.128.11 (talk) 07:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2nd best on metacritic[edit]

I propose someone should alter the wording for the 'second best reviewed show on metacritic' bit. Seems like this is so subject to change that it's not really a stat worth mentioning. I'm all for keeping its metascore up there, but the ranking just seems dumb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.197.145 (talk) 14:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How about including the lyrics of the intro song?[edit]

I couldn't hear the words of the intro song well enough to be sure what they were, so I Googled them. Mark Matthew Dalton (talk) 03:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to add that the intro song has much shorter, and slightly different lyrics to the song "Brother Louie". Mark Matthew Dalton (talk) 03:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The show's article does include the info that "Brother Louie" is the theme song, and the article in "Brother Louie" includes info on its use in this show and on the change in lyrics. Personally, I think that that's enough info on the topic, and that it's not worth adding the specific fact that one word was changed in the song in this article, as that (the lyrical change) isn't a significant part of the show and this article already mentions what the song is and links to it. That's just my view, though. BreakfastJr (talk) 08:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Parker Posey episode - music[edit]

I love the music that plays when Louie and Parker Posey go on their date and are on the roof (Daddy's Girlfriend Pt 2). Does anyone know the source of the music?All the credits I find seem to suggest it is original music. It has a real Zappa-esque blues/jazz feel to it with vocals riffs. I'd love to know if this is off some obscure jazz record or something.

That scene is just amazing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:FFC0:3C:14EE:9F17:4897:8ED7 (talk) 07:07, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 August 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: There's no consensus for the move as suggested emerging from the discussion. The redirect Louie (U.S. TV series) has been created. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 22:52, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Louie (TV series) → Louie (American TV series) – there is another TV series with the name Louie, it is a cartoon and you can learn about it at http://www.tfo.org/en/universe/louie and it would be nice to be able to make an article for it too. I was thinking Louie (cartoon TV series) or something, thoughts? Ranze (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Neutral If there is no article on the cartoon series, there is reason for the current page to be moved. WP:CRYSTAL. Ḉɱ̍ 2nd anniv. 18:56, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. C.K.'s series is, firstly, the only television series with a current article, so further disambiguation is not necessary. It's also far and away the primary topic of any television series with the name "Louie." A hatnote should be fine. -- Wikipedical (talk) 20:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (although to Louie (U.S. TV series) per naming conventions). Louie (animated series) should be moved to Louie (French TV series) so that we have full and correct disambiguation per WP:NCTV. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: As per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; the Louis C. K. show is the much more widely known one. Wolfdog (talk) 00:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:PRIMARYTOPIC only applies if this was at Louie. As Louie (TV series) is a partial/incomplete disambiguation and still ambiguous, this needs to be fully disambiguated. --Rob Sinden (talk) 07:59, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not the letter of PRIMARYTOPIC, but it's the spirit of the guideline because it's certainly a false equivalence to equate the two shows. If 99% of readers looking for Louie TV series are looking for C.K.'s series, not a minor French animated series, further disambiguation is in practice unnecessary. The hatnote "For the French animated TV series, see Louie (animated series)," which has been added to the top of the article, is absolutely fine and clear. -- Wikipedical (talk) 19:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • That's not how disambiguation works though. If something is disambiguated, it needs to be fully disambiguated, otherwise you end up with ambiguous disambiguation (?) which then clearly isn't doing its job. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:51, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the French series simply isn't notable, and this is the clear primary topic. Calidum ¤ 17:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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This RM should never have been closed this way, and not by a non-admin, the close was contrary to titling guidelines. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 November 2017[edit]

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No consensus, therefore the status quo ante is restored. Although it is technically permissible for one topic to be the primary occupant of a specified disambiguator (see, e.g., Kiss (band) versus Kiss (Korean band)), such cases are extremely rare, and it is generally preferable to further disambiguate where one disambiguator can describe multiple topics. In this case, there is a clear absence of consensus for a particular title. However, because the initial move should have been presented for discussion and consensus, a finding of no consensus automatically restores the status quo ante. The article can then properly be proposed to be moved without the cloud of a previous undiscussed move tainting the discussion. bd2412 T 22:32, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Louie (U.S. TV series) → Louie (TV series) – An editor recently moved Louie (TV series) to Louie (U.S. TV series) despite the fact that a request move from last year resulted in "no consensus". At the very least, a new discussion should be had first before any move is made. Thus, the article should be moved back to its original name. This move has also resulted in probably hundreds of articles linking to disambiguation pages because of the move. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:43, 10 November 2017 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). TonyBallioni (talk) 19:49, 10 November 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. —usernamekiran(talk) 20:29, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • That "resulted in probably hundreds of articles linking to disambiguation pages because of the move" is a rationale for cleanup of links, not a rationale against or for a move.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  18:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - there exists another TV series named Louie at Louie (French TV series). Regardless of the past move discussion, this page is already at the correct disambiguation. -- Netoholic @ 18:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed with Netoholic. Also, WP:PRIMARY doesn't apply to disambiguations, only to the base name. We've been over that one many times before, though it comes up infrequently enough some editors who are not "old hands" at RM might not be aware of it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  18:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @SMcCandlish, Netoholic, and Drovethrughosts: technical request has been procedurally changed into an RM. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:49, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I agree that the article should be moved back to Louie (TV series). WP:NCTVUS states that it's necessary to prefix the country of broadcast, when there are regional versions of the same format/premise. In this case the two shows are completely different and i believe the best way to distinguish between these two series is two simply rename the article about the French show to Louie (animated TV series), to contrast with this live alternative, again per NCTVUS. -- (Radiphus) 20:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, it says it is "Generally useful, especially when there are regional versions of the same format/premise" - not exclusively. It is well-established that when two articles exist that would use any particular disambig format (in this case "(TV series)"), then -all- of them are instead fully disambiguated (ie "(U.S. TV series) and "(French TV series)") and incomplete disambig is redirected to a proper (disambiguation) page. There is NO SUCH THING as a primary topic for any particular disambig format. Added: There is also no call for (animated TV series) as the French series is not an animated version of the live series - per WP:NCTV (animated TV series) is used "to contrast with a live alternative". The clear way to disambiguate is to retain the country identification. -- Netoholic @ 21:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I personally don't mind what the article is called. However, I made the technical request to move it back to its original name because an editor went ahead and moved it without a consensus, and specifically because there was no consensus to make the move prior a previous discussion (see above). I do find it odd and somewhat absurd that this has now turned into a request move to return it to its original name. This discussion should be the other way around (consensus for the move, not consensus to move it back). Again, I stress, I don't care what the article is called. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:45, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and speedy close haven't people read WP:DISAMBIGUATION? In ictu oculi (talk) 21:54, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I was the editor who moved the page, and even though it might have been controversial, I did it within reason. The French show and the US show aired during different times. As of today, because of the sexual harassment allegations against Louis C.K., this show has officially been canceled for good. This show lasted five seasons, the French show lasted three. There were a close enough number of seasons to be ambiguous between the two shows. JE98 (talk) 23:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "pages linking to Louie (TV series)" :: the list looks long, but most of them are user pages and user talk pages and sandboxes and suchlike. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:50, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this proposal, and moving Louie (French TV series) to Louie (animated TV series) as per WP:NCTV. That is a far preferable system of disambiguation in this case then by-country disambiguation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • @IJBall: But WP:MOS states that these two shows should be disambiguated by country, not by genre. In fact, they're both comedies, and the French show came first. JE98 (talk) 17:56, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, NCTV doesn't say they "should" be disambig'ed by country, it says they can be – they could also be disambiguated by year (and if those redirects don't exist, they should be created)... Anyway, this is an unusual case, in 99 cases out of 100, I'd be in favor of leaving the current arrangement. But in this specific case, I think our readership is best served by having the live-action Louie TV series at Louie (TV series), and having the French animated Louie at Louie (animated TV series). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        • NCTV presents a rough order of preference, but the wider sense of WP:TITLE is that we should use the most precise and concise method of disambiguation. (animated TV series) is actually very rarely used typically when there is an animated version of a live show within the same franchise. If we did as you suggest, most people would interpret it as if the french show was actually related to the US show. When two shows of the same name are in different countries, we use country disambiguation first and foremost. -- Netoholic @ 18:21, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, plus moving Louie (French TV series) to Louie (animated TV series) per WP:NCTV and User:IJBall. There is no "order of preference." Since we're contrasting an animated series with a live alternative, this disambiguation is most relevant – it's not the same format/premise, which is when country disambiguation is especially useful. Moreover, this page was moved without opening a discussion. The status quo was preferred. -- Wikipedical (talk) 17:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it should stay at Louie (U.S. TV series) as it fails WP:PRECISE there being multiple TV shows with the same name. The proposed title is not Louie (living people TV series) or some other non-animated term. -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 04:36, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The proposed title is incomplete disambiguation given the existence of another article on a TV series of the same name.--Cúchullain t/c 15:39, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 4 January 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Zawl 09:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Louie (TV series) → Louie (U.S. TV series) – Per WP:INCDAB, this needs to be disambiguated further because Louie (French TV series) is another TV series with the same name and neither is the primary topic for "Lousie". The move was done by Woodensuperman anyway even though the above RM says that this move needs to be discussed, so I have reverted it in the mean time. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 19:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Louie (French TV series) exists, therefore this must have "U.S." added according to titling policy WP:ATDAB. End of story. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The presence of another article on a TV show of the same name makes this incomplete disambiguation, which should be avoided.--Cúchullain t/c 20:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral: I don't see a mandate at WP:ATDAB or WP:INCDAB that says that a title can't be primary for a disambiguation term, and that all disambiguations have to go "all the way" to clear all the others. That being said, I don't know how popular the French cartoon is in the English-speaking world; maybe it's very popular among kids and I just don't know it. Certainly the Louie C.K. series is widely known. --Closeapple (talk) 00:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:INCDAB: "When a more specific title is still ambiguous...". "Louie (TV series)" is still ambiguous, as it can equally apply to either TV series. --woodensuperman 11:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:NCTV and WP:INCDAB. Trying to set primaries for particular disambiguation terms is anti-reader, anti-editor. -- Netoholic @ 05:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:INCDAB. Also, apologies for moving without realising the above conversation had taken place. However, reading through it, I would say it was incorrectly closed, as it would seem there was consensus for it to stay where it was. --woodensuperman 09:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I moved this article back in November. I realize that was somewhat uncalled for, but my opinion on why I wanted it moved has not changed. There are two different shows called Louie. JE98 (talk) 16:03, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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