Talk:Lumberjack

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 13 January 2020 and 20 April 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Kb0204.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 02:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Lumberjack Editing
Howdy! I am working to edit the lumberjack page as part of an assignment. I have included my sandbox link where I am working out the edits I am hoping to implement! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kb0204/sandbox-lumberjack Thank you! Kb0204 (talk) 19:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Mascots section revisited
I'm convinced this doesn't need to be in the article. I had tagged it as trivia, but even with the excellent choice of removing names of schools that don't have Wikipedia articles, I still think the list is inappropriate. I would like to know why it's necessary to have such a list in this particular article, while articles about say, Wolves, Bears, Bulldogs, Tigers, etc., don't. Is it because the mascot is a human instead of an animal? And though it's certainly not a reason to not include it, is should be noted that such lists just attract more entries from every student at such a school, making maintenance more difficult. A one-sentence mention that several schools have such a mascot, with a couple examples, would suffice, but again there is a problem of people adding their school. (Perhaps why this list came about in the first place--I didn't check the page history.) But if a couple of the most notable examples were added, those who maintain this page could keep an eye on additions, perhaps adding an editing note. Thoughts? Katr67 (talk) 22:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. Here's the appropriate place to list college teams: List of college sports team nicknames. Katr67 (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I meant to get around to saying. Yes its trivia and doesn't belong here.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 22:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

School mascots
The lumberjack is the mascot of many schools and universities including:
 * Colleges and universities
 * Humboldt State University in Arcata, California
 * Minot State University-Bottineau in Bottineau, North Dakota
 * Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Arizona
 * Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, Texas


 * High schools
 * Lin-Wood Public School in the Lincoln/Woodstock Co-op, New Hampshire
 * North Tonawanda High School in North Tonawanda, New York
 * Oakwood High School in Oakwood, Montgomery County, Ohio
 * Patterson High School in Patterson, Louisiana
 * R. A. Long High School in Longview, Washington
 * Richwood High School in Richwood, West Virginia
 * Shelton High School in Shelton, Washington
 * St. Maries High School in St. Maries, Idaho
 * Wausau East High School in Wausau, Wisconsin

The article is weaker without this information. If you went to one of these schools then you too are a "lumberjack". That the "wolves" or "bears" or whatever don't get the same treatment is an issue with those articles. Just my opinion, but stripping this list hasn't improved the writing one bit. These universities are rooted in this history, but apparently acknowledging this with a sentence or two is too much. 24.117.137.215 (talk) 16:54, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Images
The "Statue of a stereotypical lumberjack in Portland, Oregon." is, in fact Paul Bunyan. I don't know that it is not also a stereotypical lumberjack, but he is very tall to be typical. Kenton is the Portland neighborhood in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenton,_Portland,_Oregon

24.20.22.49 (talk) 08:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Sexual culture
Similar to a plummer, cowboy, or soldier, lumberjacks are popular fantasy objects of sexual (hetero and homo) culture. Shouls this be included? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:19, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing should be added to Wikipedia unless it can be adequately sourced using reliable sources. If you think this is relevant and important, feel free to begin the search for sources.  As for my personal opinion, this is not important or encyclopedic.  "Yes...  It's Raining " 01:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Choice of the image for the lead
Half-year ago I replaced the image because felt that is a fake (see annotations). Recently my arguments were proven void. I do not think the current image, File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-2005-0706-524, Mark Brandenburg, Holzfäller bei der Arbeit.jpg, is worse in any way, but if one thinks that the image from Oregon is better for English Wikipedia, then feel free to put it back, moving Germans to some less prominent spot (or versa). Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:41, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Knappa Loggers.
Knappa High School in Knappa, Clatsop County, Oregon also has the Logger as mascot. Tjlynnjr (talk) 18:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC).

Merging Lumbersexual here as per AFD

 * Eliminating following sources as part of merge on the grounds that the seem WP:UNDUE. Leaving them here in the interest of PRESERVE and transparency:
 * The Rise Of The ‘Lumbersexual’ by Tom Puzak (October 30, 2014), GearJunkie.com
 * The Lumbersexual Is Here to Chop Down Metrosexuals by Peter Lawrence Kane (November 6, 2014), TheBoldItalic.com
 * Are You Dating a Lumbersexual? by Lane Moore (November 7, 2014), Cosmopolitan
 * Everything You Need to Know About the New 'Lumbersexual' Guy Trend (November 14, 2014), People
 * What the "Lumbersexual" Trend Really Says About Men in Society Today by Marcie Bianco (January 6, 2015), Mic.com
 * This "Lumbersexual's Guide to Decorating" Infographic Details Everything You Need to Make Your Home a Faux-Woodsy Paradise by Lucia Peters (April 20, 2015), Bustle.com
 * 'The Lumbersexual's Guide to Decorating' Is Everything You Never Knew You Wanted by Carly Ledbetter (April 22, 2015), The Huffington Post.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:05, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Hipster
This article should explain why hipsters have assimilated the lumberjack aesthetic with the big bushy beards and yarn caps. 108.200.234.93 (talk) 07:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Lumbersexual redirect
Lubersexual redirects here. I don't think this is the same thing as a lumberjack. Lubersexual usually referrers to a US Pacific Nortwestern urbanite that melds a lumberjack and emo aesthetic (red flanel and ginormous bushy beards with Shawshank Redemption prison warden-style glassess). 139.138.6.121 (talk) 19:38, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 1 July 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Lumberjack → Logger (occupation) – Logger is the term commonly used today. Georgia guy (talk) 15:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This article is about more than just the term, but the whole culture surrounding lumberjacks. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Necrothesp, the culture holds regardless of the term, and we use the term that's most common today. 1945 was a long time ago. Georgia guy (talk) 13:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay! Popular culture disagrees with you. Still the common name around the world. And almost all this article is about the historic usage, as I said. The more modern aspects are mostly detailed in the Logging article. "Lumberjack" is a far more recognisable term than "logger". -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Mostly about historical (and still very commonly used) term. Meters (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Georgia guy gonna need to supply evidence that the term is more common rather than just claim it, because as far as I'm aware that's not the case. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 01:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * QuietHere, read the first paragraph of the article and it reveals that "lumberjack" is a term for long ago and that "logger" must be a term for today. Georgia guy (talk) 01:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So the argument is WP:RECENTISM? Is that all you have? And it doesn't say it "must be" used today, just that people working in the field use it more frequently (and this sourced to a site which 1. probably isn't reliable and 2. doesn't actually make that claim or even use the term "lumberjack" at all). I'm definitely opposed to that. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 01:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose Lumberjack is the far more recognizable term, and has been used for centuries. Logger is ambiguous and banal. Cullen328 (talk) 02:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Cullen, your last sentence is merely a way to show it makes no sense for this article to be simply at Logger, with no dis-ambiguation suffix. Do you see the fact that I'm NOT proposing a move to that title?? Georgia guy (talk) 11:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)