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BIGBANG SALES IN THE US
Hello wikipedians i just edited that section with reliable source you can check it http://www.yg-life.com/archives/56904?lang=en so They sold 73,000 seats/attendance that source is from bigbang's Company YG so the source are legit

--COMMENT BY emilydaley80--

You did not take in account that Mexico is part of the North American Tour and that explained the 15-17k difference in numbers. This supports the overall number of seats but not American (the total listed 85k on the page and 87k in the article. Any difference is most likely how numbers were rounded down to even thousand amounts). Hence why I changed it back.

--COMMENT By Rubyangel131 There is no Mexico in the Article, and only 4 cities from us, and its clear here BIGBANG held concerts in four US cities- Las Vegas, LA, Anaheim, New Jersey – and in Toronto, Canada for their tour and drew a total of 87,000 fans.

Can you tell me where is mexico ???

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Most likely an oversight on the part of the editor. All other sources include Mexico in the North American Branch of their tour and these numbers match up with the confirmed numbers we have from individuals stops in Canada, Mexico & the United States.

Confirmation here: http://www.yg-life.com/archives/57033?lang=en

[네이버 TV연예] World-class idol group BIGBANG who has been meeting fans around the world in their world tour “MADE” recently! BIGBANG who had finished their North American tour in Las Vegas, LA, Anaheim, Mexico, New Jersey, and Canada that drew total 87,000 fans in a great success has flown to Australia.

--Comment by rubydangel131

okey i get it know, thanks for your hard work

--COMMENT BY emilydaley80--

Please see the link I provided in my previous comment. It can be found in the first paragraph of the article.

But again source: http://www.yg-life.com/archives/57033?lang=en

--Comment by rubyangel131 wait your article that have misunderstanding you can check it here : http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/culturesports/2015/10/14/0701000000AEN20151014005200315.html The Source From Yonhap News are The legit, we use it here in wikipedia all time , and also the numbers in bts sales cam from Yonhap too, --COMMENT BY emilydaley80--

Please stop editing this wiki. We have already shown that those numbers include all of the North American stops (US, Canada and Mexico). Thank you.

--Comment by rubyangel131

Then Prove it http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/culturesports/2015/10/14/0701000000AEN20151014005200315.html --COMMENT BY emilydaley80--

Please refer back to my original source that is newer and clarified the error in the previous article. Your newer article was released the same day as the previous article you tried to source and most likely made the same mistake of not clarifying that Mexico was also included.

I will continue to fix this mistake and I'm going to ask again that you stop putting in incorrect information. Especially since it has been explained to you at length that you are trying to add in Mexico's numbers to the US tour dates. On top of that you are taking away specific details in regards to the number of tickets sold at each stop.

Additional sources that clarify Mexico is included.

"Some 250,000 people gathered at the band's performances in 13 Chinese cities, and some 87,000 fans in the United States, Canada and Mexico, YG said." Jan 20th, 2016 http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2016/01/20/0200000000AEN20160120008100315.html <-Note this is a newer article on Yonhap News, the one you most recently referred to.

"Some 250,000 people gathered at the band's performances in 13 Chinese cities, and some 87,000 fans in the United States, Canada and Mexico, YG said." Jan 20th, 2016 http://nwww.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160120001100

"BIGBANG has successfully rounded off their North American tour that drew total 87,000 fans for Las Vegas concert held on the 2 this month, as well as for the LA, Anaheim, New Jersey, Mexico, and Toronto concerts." October 29th, 2015 http://www.yg-life.com/archives/57146?lang=en

"The number almost doubled in the second world tour in 2015, in which the band drew 1.5 million. Of the tally, 87,000 were from North American concerts and 250,000 from China concerts -- both new records for K-pop musicians." August 22nd, 2016 (North American = Mexico, United States & Canada. If it was just the US they would have clarified like they clarified that China's numbers was only from that country and not the Asian leg). http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/focus/2016/08/22/27/1700000000AEN20160822007900315F.html ---

CASE CLOSED, THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK

+ Just leave it at 58,000 let's Stop Edit-Warring, you are now talking with your opinion , i appreciate your hard work , but leave it, you need to know there is difference between certified sales and claimed sales , bts us sales are claimed not certified , and bigbang have one sales certified and others are claimed, so the best way is to combine them because they are ''CLAIMED"

Claimed sales : "Claimed Sales" are sales that get mentioned by people like Billboard in their articles, for example Billboard claim ARTPOP sold 2.5 million copies,

"Certified Sales" are sales that have been sent to companies like Billboard BOX-OFFICE to get a certification,, and are actually proven to be real sales

--COMMENT BY emilydaley80--

I have reported you for vandalism on this. I will continue to correct the information as we wait for a result.

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Please Use Your ID in the comment, + i didn't do anything wrong you go ahead and report , you think its easy ? wikipedia's team are very legit they will not block me for doing edits with legit sources, + the only thing will happen to us is a warning because we are involved into edit-war

--COMMENT BY emilydaley80--
 * You're both wrong. And both of you read Talk page guidelines please; you got 24 hours to do it in. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Cheers.— 41_249_224_140 00:17, 01 Nov 2017 (UTC)

I guess my confusion here is where in that article it says that 24,000 attended (as it was originally listed 22,000). I'm assuming you took the total for the North American tour and subtracted the amount of the Mexico & Canadian show. Did you simply pick a random date to add the extra 2000 tickets to?

What I would personally suggest is instead of randomly assigning them to a show we simply add the North American total to the wikipedia either in the chart or another section. It would be more accurate than making an assumption that may be incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubyangel131 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

I was looking at the page and I noticed that under "Box Office Score Data" on the page we got specific numbers for the Newmark date (21,903) along with their gross revenue. In order to keep the wiki clean and numbers consistent I switched the 24,000 under Newmark back to 22,000 as this seems to be the accurate amount. To make sure the 87,000 ticket sales remained represented on the wiki I moved these sales totals under commercial success with the citation Rubyangel131 03:27, 1 November 2017 UTC

Hello Rubyangel131 i see you did a change on Newmark Sales You turned it to 22,000,

first you asked for a legit source to this number Here already reported 24,000, and 87,000 in total of North America, so that number is legit

i think we need to combine the numbers of North American sales. 41_249_224_140 03:39, 01 Nov 2017 (UTC) comment added by 41.249.224.140 (talk)

My concern is the original source gave exact, specific numbers for ticket sales. Pollstar is also a trade publication specifically dedicated to giving in-depth information and I think it's more likely they have accurate information than a rounded number in a newspaper intended for mass consumption. These numbers were also released after the article you are sourcing, so they're newer information.

I don't understand why you're opposed to keeping this number (which is verified by a reliable source) correct. I've included the total North American sales in the wiki so I think this is a fair compromise to keep the wiki article clean.

If you're having trouble finding it at the pollstar source here is a screen cap with the exact figures: https://i.imgur.com/QVdH0rd.png

Full PDF of list (they're #125):https://www.pollstarpro.com/files/charts2015/2015YearEndTop200ConcertGrosses.pdf Pollstar Article (Jan 2016): https://www.pollstar.com/article/pollstars-2015-year-end-stats-analysis-43924 Rubyangel131 —Preceding undated comment added 03:57, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: I just realized the pollstar link in the references was no longer correctly linking to the article! I think that was what was causing the confusion because it seemed like it just took you to the log in page! I update the link so it's now taking you to the correct article from January 2016 with the pdf that gave the exact figures (again, top 200 gross -> #125). Rubyangel131

I hope that has cleared up any confusion we had! I still think it's a fair compromise to keep the correct sales number for the individual concerts but include the overall under commercial. I hope that you agree and we've got it all sorted out now.

Again, sorry I didn't notice that link wasn't working anymore!!!

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hey again, its okey you don't have to feel sorry ^^, so you are right bigbang have those Certified attendance sales , while i'm talking about claimed sales , we have 2 solutions :


 * Combine North American sales = 87,000K
 * Adding 2 Tables One for Claimed Sales BOX-SCORE/Pollstar and Claimed sales News Article

What do You Think ? 41_249_224_140 04:23, 01 Nov 2017 (UTC) comment added by 41.249.224.140 (talk

Second one because there isn't a need to separate them into two columns that's already been done so lets definitely go with that solution. The large list of tour dates and numbers are the claimed sales (or, in three cases, rounded certified sales). Right below this, under the heading "Box office score data" are the three certified amounts with their exact numbers. Otherwise we're going to have a giant column with nothing in it for the majority. The way they're currently split into two tables is definitely easier to read and more aesthetically pleasing. Plus all that work has been done for us so obviously other people also like this arrangement.

Looks like we have this figured out and we're good now! Thanks for all your hard work and I'm glad we could come to this compromise. Rubyangel131

I didn't Understand your point, Can you give me an example, or i will show you what I've got from your point,

41_249_224_140 04:42, 01 Nov 2017 (UTC) comment added by 41.249.224.140 (talk

It would be repetitive information since the three certified amounts are already listed under Box Office Score Data. If we create another column like you're suggesting it's going to be almost entirely empty 24 of the 27 entries don't have certified data. If the number of certified tickets sale was larger I would agree, but there isn't a reason to create a second column and add it the three numbers.

Especially when "Box Office Score Data" is the certified ticket sales. Past users have simply decided to separate these certified amounts from the main table. Rubyangel131 —Preceding undated comment added 04:50, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Box Score is not The same as Certified Attendance, Box-score is about grossing not about the clarification of how many people attend the concert, so right-now my point is valid, we will make things clear by adding two columns.

41_249_224_140 04:55, 01 Nov 2017 (UTC) comment added by 41.249.224.140 (talk

I disagree. I think what would be best is to get a third or fourth opinion on this before we make a drastic, uncommon change to the wikipedia page. I would also suggest you look at other concert pages and see that this is not common way to organize information.Rubyangel131 —Preceding undated comment added 04:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Please Take a look here

41_249_224_140 05:06, 01 Nov 2017 (UTC) comment added by 41.249.224.140 (talk

Was that the correct link? The one that opened was a list of album sales. Also because this was a list of the top grossing all of them had both claimed and certified sales. Like I said previously, if the majority of the concerts had certified amounts then I would agree but as of right now we only have 3 of 27. You example had no empty boxes.

I have opened a dispute with a request for a third party to come read this page and help us determine what the next step should be. I request you hold off making any changes until this neutral party can give their opinion on whether we should make this change or not. Rubyangel131 —Preceding undated comment added 05:12, 1 November 2017 (UTC)