Talk:Maisie Williams

Thoughts pre-GAN
So some quick comments that I think I would look to be addressed if I was reviewing this at WP:GAN: Tidy up those things and GAN will be a cake-walk. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Avoid awkwardly placed references (e.g. "and Norton Hill School[9] in Midsomer Norton,")
 * " GCSEs" don't assume the audience knows this, expand (and explain these kinds of things if necessary) before using abbreviations.
 * Look at MOS, e.g. " 2011 — 2019" should be "2011–2019".
 * Avoid overlinking, there's a tool on the "tools" panel which identifies where those are, e.g. BBC, The Woman Who Lived etc.
 * I don't think episode numbers are needed.
 * For images where more than one person is featured, consider using "(left)" or similar to ensure no ambiguity.
 * "fellow Generation Z .[57][58][8] " it's not mandated but I do prefer to see references in numerical order.
 * " a youthful, fresh and quirky style," these are somewhat POV, and should be attributed/quoted.
 * I would expect the Role column to sort in alphabetical order per surname.
 * A few refs missing from those tables.
 * Some people like to use row spans for identical entries within tables. Worth considering, but not essential.
 * Note a is unreferenced.


 * Many thanks, I made a start. Not sure how to fix the role column to sort properly. I received advice regards identical entries within tables, to remove row span as per wp:accessibility  to help folks with readers. Will fix more tomorrow. ~ BOD ~ TALK 22:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Unable to see the over-linking tool, but removed some obvious ones manually. ~ BOD ~ TALK 13:38, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistent dates
In 2011, she debuted in a professional acting role at age fourteen, starring as Arya Stark

At the age of 11, in 2009, Williams started her professional acting career by co-starring in one of the largest ensemble casts on television. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.80.32.134 (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Corrected atm. ~ BOD ~ TALK 16:56, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Why is Arya Stark stuff here, instead of at Arya Stark?
Title sums up the question. Anyone object to wholesale cross-article move of much of the topic, e.g., use of Arya as a name? Jclemens (talk) 23:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Its 2.30am here so I hope to give/improve my reply tomorrow :) I guess you are referring to the two paragraphs  under Cultural impact? While the information could be indeed be included on the Arya Stark article, where does the popularity of character end and the fame of an actress start. It is here also as much of the credit is to do with Maisie Williams herself.
 * I'm in no hurry to move anything, yes. If girls are called Maisie, then yes, that belongs in this article. Arya or Arie? Not so much. Jclemens (talk) 02:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This section was included (with more detail, apart from the additions i made yesterday) when the article was passed for GA status. The rising popularity of the name while obviously based a great deal on the fictional character, can also be equally regarded to be very much due to the celebrity popularity of the previously unknown actress who brought the role very much to life. It is as least as much a popular culture form of accolade to William's debut break out portrayal (a bit like a popular version of the critics awards ~ Emmy, Golden, Oscar or Bafta), as it is to George R. R. Martin's or Benioff and Weiss HBO's TV character.  ~ BOD ~ TALK 18:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As a GA reviewer myself, I would fail the article as it currently reads on WP:WIAGA criterion 3.b. as it's not focused on its topic, Maisie Williams, but includes too much about Arya. At the very least, our coverage of the phenomenon in the Arya article ought to be at least as strong as what we have here, but I would strongly suggest moving it out of this article and into that one. It's cool, and yes, Williams had something to do with it, but it's more about the character than the actress. Jclemens (talk) 21:37, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As a starting point, while I still believe that the cultural impact section equally belongs in this article I also agree with the very reasonable argument that it should be included in the Arya Stark article, so I have copy pasted both paragraphs to that article. It will be interesting to see how they develop there (I will add more there tomorrow). ~ BOD ~ TALK 00:19, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Articles can always be improved
I made a few improvements to the lead, to make them less needlessly wordy and more factual. This was reverted on the grounds the article has passed a GA review. A GA review does not mean the article cannot be improved.


 * "Williams garnered critical praise and accolades for her work on the show" - this is all very well, but it still leaves the reader uninformed as to what the praise and accolades were. It's wordy fluff. Is it not better to get on to the hard facts of her nominations rather than first talking her up?
 * "and global recognition" - a vague phrase that could mean anything.
 * "Williams'" - do we really need to specify again who were are talking about here?

Is there a problem with these changes? -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 14:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Certainly articles can always be improved, or not improved. A Lead is always just an introduction, the is a whole subsection on the detailed recognition that this actress received for her appearances in the show. Hard facts and Details are always provided in the body of the article. Global recognition is not that vague, it simply means what it says, this show was a well known world wide phenomenon, an actor playing a leading character in this show gained international recognition. Repeating "Williams" is a minor point, but the subject has only just been introduced and her name starting a new sentence did split up what would be in respect an unnecessary long first sentence. ~ BOD ~ TALK 14:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Father
Her father's name has been reported, so we should include it. For example, see this search where his name is reported in over a dozen sources. Wjhonson (talk) 18:48, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Many of those search results do not relate to her father, and there are only a couple of reliable sources (like The Independent) in that link that do relate to her father (see WP:RSP. As the father had a minor (negative) role in William's personal life, divorcing her mother when Williams was only 4 months, I do not think that the was a problem with delay in adding his name. In fact, just because we have a detail about somebody, we don't always have to include it. ~ BOD ~ TALK 02:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)