Talk:Major thirds tuning

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The result of the move request was: Moved early per primary editor's request. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:41, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

All-thirds tuning → Major thirds tuning – No source in the article uses "all-thirds" as a description for the tuning. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems like a good idea. All-thirds tuning was named to be similar with the NPOV all-fourths, all-fifths tuning (not perfect fourths and fifths). However, since there is a "minor thirds tuning" (in theory), "all-thirds" could be ambiguous. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  21:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Did you know nominations/Major thirds tuning
The DYK nomination still needs to be reviewed.

Thanks! Kiefer .Wolfowitz  17:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to the reviewers. The hook appeared, and is recorded at the top of this page next. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  12:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

"Major thirds tuning" or "Major-thirds tuning"?
The article is titled "major third tuning" but the introduction reads "major-thirds tuning". Which one should it be? Hyacinth (talk) 09:43, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Major-thirds tuning > major thirds tuning
 * The adjective "major" modifies the noun "thirds". The modifier "major-third" modifies "tuning". WP:MOS and standard English suggest that the hyphen prevents ambiguity, particularly the mis-reading that "major" and "thirds" separately modify the noun "tuning".
 * I assume that Sarek chose the non-hyphenated form for simplicity. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  12:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Chord diagrams
I'm going to deposit some files from the Wikimedia foundation here. These can be used for major-thirds exposition. My labeling assumes the (low)
 * C-E-G♯-c-e-g♯

tuning, to avoid the D#.

I used TuxGuitar to create them. Cheers --Alexandre Oberlin (talk) 13:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Alexandre!
 * You really drew great diagrams. Every line adds information, and the proportions increase visibility. You also have avoided adding labels to the diagrams, which follows recommended practice at Wikipedia, and so allows the diagrams to be reused for chords on many more tunings!
 * Trying TuxGuitar, I could create a diagram of the score (including the unwanted staff/stave). How do I export just the chord-diagram?
 * It would be great to add a reference to your website in the text (rather than merely in the see also section): Let me know if any academics or music magazines etc. refer to your website, please. (A reliable source citing a website increases its reliability.) If you have an academic connection, or write in refereed publications, then of course your site would be reliable, also. To avoid being declared nonreliable (along with Wikopedia), it is best not to cite Wikipedia as a reference, but only list it as suggested further reading.
 * Best regards, Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  13:58, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Kiefer,
 * I cropped 1x1 pixels to remove lines top and left so that the diagrams appear clean on white background. I also reset the graphic’s page information to ease further edition on it (I use ImageMagick).
 * I just composed the chords in TuxGuitar in Beat / Chord / Insert chord and manually cropped the screenshot.
 * For the referrers, I’ll watch ;-)
 * Cheers,
 * --Alexandre Oberlin (talk) 09:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

LaTeX and PDF

 * Hi Alexandre!
 * That explains my difficulties. I had hoped that it would be less work. I shall look at ImageMagick! :)
 * I shall look around for LaTeX resources, also. For editors fluent in LaTeX, the gchords package enables the one-line typsetting of guitar chord-diagrams in the form of pdf files. (I recommend the TexMakerX package.)
 * (I reformatted your response. I'd be happy to undo this reformatting if you like.)
 * Thanks again! Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  10:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It is possible to import images form pdf files. I quote from Wikipedia's tutorial on images: Images can be excerpted from ... PDF files, with an optional page parameter. For example:

Thus, it seems simplest for me to create one PDF file with the images alone on individual pages. Kiefer .Wolfowitz  13:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Kiefer .Wolfowitz   00:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

GIMP
It was easy to export snapshots from PDF to PNG format, using the open-source GIMP software. Kiefer .Wolfowitz  17:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Gauges for strings
I record suggested string gauges, two by reliable sources (and one by me, trivially calculating the correct tensions for my Ovation's recommendations for lightest strings), (c.f. a blog and D'Addario).


 * This is good information, and I suggest that this chart, or a variation thereof, be included in the article.


 * I will point out that 7-string "open G tuning", "Russian guitar tuning", and "gypsy tuning" are identical -- they're three different names for the same thing.  From low to high:  D2, G2, B2, D3, G3, B3, D4.


 * Also, that string-instrument tunings, and string gauges, are most commonly given from low-pitched string to high-pitched string, a convention which is followed in most Wikipedia articles on stringed instruments -- you have these reversed in the chart.
 * 74.95.43.249 (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Gypsy-strings?
Can anybody explain why "Gypsy strings" (from e.g. D'Addario) suit major-thirds tuning?

(The Russian guitar's open-G tuning is major-thirds "on average", and so I list its gauges. It may sometimes be called a gypsy tuning. Is it related to Django's?)

Kiefer .Wolfowitz  22:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Wikipedia is not a forum. Discussions of M3 tuning that are not focused on improving this article may occur at a jazz-guitarist newsgroup: While not reliable source, its discussions mentioned this article, and so may suggest ideas for improvements. Its discussions also mention reliable sources.
 * Major-thirds tuning discussed by jazz guitarists

Thanks! Kiefer .Wolfowitz  10:00, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Needs Balance
This is an interesting and informative article, but it only mentions the presumed advantages of playing in major-thirds tuning. It would be more encyclopedic to also make some mention of the disadvantages of the tuning. For example,
 * M3 tuning decreases the overall range of the guitar (this is why Patt eventually resorted to 7- and 8- string instruments, to regain that lost range)
 * M3 simplifies closed voicing, but it makes certain common open voicings more difficult, or even impossible
 * M3 facilitates moving 3- and 4-note chords up or down an octave, but it makes the fingerings for 5- and 6-note multi-octave chords more complex and awkward.

This is not to say that the tuning is "better" or "worse" than standard, or any other tuning. But it is different, and it's important to note the significant differences, both pro and con. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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