Talk:Manfred Mann's Earth Band

Use of classical theme?
I'm sure that MMEB use one of the Schubert Impromptus on one of their albums. Does anyone know which and where? Or will I need to get the CDs out and try to work it out.--Peter cohen (talk) 15:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Right the two numbers I am relating are "Questions" from The Roaring Silence and Schubert's Impromptu] Op.90 No.3 in G flat major (D899 no.3).--[[User:Peter cohen|Peter cohen (talk) 22:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Unfortunately, this isn't one of the works with a sound file already on wikipedia. Is anyone else abel to comment on whether I am right in claiming the ressemblance is obvious?--Peter cohen (talk) 22:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've now found a WP:RS that agrees with me, albeit in German. --Peter cohen (talk) 22:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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Confusing!!!
OK, I'm genuinely confused by the first few paragraphs of this article. It makes little sense and seems directionless and dis-ordered. I can't accept that it's an encyclopedia article. What place does Mann's earlier un-named band, unspecified references to violence in Ireland and the noted line-up changes have in the FORMATION section.... And, "HIGHLIGHTS"...what sort section is that? It's garbled. Only when we get to the end do we find out who Mick Rogers is (and he's the only one for whom a photo could be located?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.188.15 (talk) 23:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The section Formation is about how the band came to be. That includes evolving out of Manfred's two former acts (Manfred Mann Band and Chapter II), and how the new name came about (which is what the "violence in Ireland" is all about, as that's how Voormann related the alleged origin of the name). I don't see any section titled Highlights. --79.193.43.177 (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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RfC on the notability of the members of this band
I'd like to propose a discussion on the notability for these three band members.

I. Mick Rogers' page has four sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, the first of which was from his website, the second of which is from Manfred Mann's fan club's website, the third one is a list of biographies of Australian musicians which mentions his former band Procession, the fourth one is a blog by some man named Gary Hartman. The only source that actually can be considered reliable is the third one, which actually violates WP:USERG because it relies on user contributions.

II. Steve Kinch's article relies entirely on one source, which is published by Manfred Mann's fan club. (See the essay WP:OWNSITE)

III. John Lingwood's article has three sources: 1, 2, 3. The first source is created by a drum manufacturer and is a biography of him, which is reliable, however, it seems that this source comes is linked from a list of artists that the drum company endorses, meaning that the source is driven by a conflict of interest. The second source is from Discogs, which fails WP:USERG, and the final source is published by the band's fan club once again.

IV. The vast majority of these sources were self-published, or are not constituted as reliable per guidelines such as WP:USERG, and therefore do not fit the "reliable" and "independent of the subject" requirements set out in WP:GNG. In addition to that, the articles all only seem to demonstrate the notability of the articles as "members of the band" without demonstrating their notability as artists outside of the band, therefore meaning that they deserve to be redirects per WP:NMUSICIAN

V. It appears that all of these articles were created by User:GlynJames7, who also has created several articles about the band's albums, the band's discography, and Manfred Mann himself.

Summary: Three members of this band Mick Rogers, Steve Kinch and John Lingwood have stub-class articles with under five references, and in all of the articles, the references do not demonstrate their subject's notability per WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN.

P.S. Am I doing this RfC thing correctly?

Signed, JJPMaster (talk) 13:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, you have not observed WP:RFCBRIEF (an RfC statement of almost 3,000 characters is way beyond what Legobot can handle), and so the RfC is not being listed correctly at Requests for comment/Biographies. I also do not see any evidence that WP:RFCBEFORE was observed. Also, if your desire is to seek deletion of these articles, other venues should be used, see WP:RFCNOT. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * So do I move this discussion to WP:AfD? JJPMaster (talk) 11:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You've put a WP:PROD on Steve Kinch, have you considered doing the same for the others? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * While I'm not sure how the articles could be improved to meet Wikipedia guidelines, I do not like all these deletions. Especially in the case of Mick Rogers, where the article had quite a bit of good info. Imagine anyone looking for information on Mick Rogers (e.g. his birthday) looking at Wikipedia and ending up with a redirect on the MMEB site which gives no information about his side ventures. Or take John Lingwood - a few years ago he wouldn't even have been considered for a redirect to MMEB because he was not a MMEB member. Why redirect Lingwood to the Earth Band site and not, say, Steamhammer or Company of Snakes? Seems arbitrary to me.Jules TH 16 (talk) 09:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The name and Klaus Voormann
Look, I have Voormann's book and what is written in this article is simply nowhere to be found. Yes, Voormann said he found the style of the group lacking balls so to speak but the idea that he told Manfred they should get rockier is not supported by his writing, simply stated as an after-the-fact opinion. The fact that Manfred went into Emanon / Chapter Three after folding the band shows that Voormann had no bearing on the formation on the Earth Band, and the name has been credited to Manfred Mann (who wanted something with "Band" in the title) and Chris Slade (who came up with "Earth Band") in reliable sources.

The worst thing about all this is that Manfred was confronted with the idea that Voormann suggested the name by some journalist whose research didn't go beyond Wikipedia, and Manfred obviously had no idea what they were talking about. I think this is proof enough we should get rid of the section entirely.Jules TH 16 (talk) 09:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)