Talk:Marie Warder

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I believe that, in the same way as Hemingway and Steinbeck's stories reflect actual experiences and incidents in their lives (eg. the mother who wore glove in Steinbeck's "East of Eden" (because Hemochromatosis had crippled her hands and made them excruciatingly painful) Marie Warder's background is reflected in her books. I believe that an article about her is important because of the miilions around the world who will live because she made the world aware of Hemochromatosis (please see Wikipedia articles headee EUGENE BOYKO and TOM WARDER. (NB. I tried to create a better link to the latter reference but was unsuccessful.)

If my article is accepted, I plan to add a reference to Nancy Steinbeck's book - The Other Side Of Eden - in which she has a link to Marie Warder.

Murella (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Possible deletion of article by "Murella"
I believe that all the info contained in "Murella's" article can be substantiated and, as one whose family has benefited immeasurably by Marie Warder's work, I do not want to see the that story go off into the "twilight zone!" Furthermore, as I helped with the set-up of the article about her husband, Tom Warder, I think I know the ropes and would like to tackle another Marie Warder article, myself.

How do I do this? I cannot very well write a new article while the other exists, but there is no way I can establish what actually remains of it. Does that very inadequate stub first have to be erased? And how do I take advantage of images which are in the Commons? (For instance the one of Tom Warder.) Simonter (talk) 21:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Given the state of affairs of the Tom Warder article (replete with uncited facts, citations which fail to verify the facts in hand, and peacock terms), I don't think the author of that article would be the best choice to improve this article. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The Journalist
Several references have been made to "The Journalist" a work by Judy Lloyd, a reporter for the Ficksburg News. Can anyone provide any details for this work -- is it a non-fiction book, a novel, an article in a magazine? If this is to be used as a source, some publication details are necessary to allow others to check the source for verification. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

The talk page is for talking. The article is not for talking.
Somehow the images I uploaded to the Marie Warder article may have merged with Venturian's story about Tom Warder, because they were in Commons. Murella (talk) 00:26, 31 May 2010 (UTC) Murella (talk) 00:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC) Changed spelling of van Zijl because when written cursively if becomes van Zyl and if there are not two dots on the "y". It appears as as van Zyl in records I have found, related to her days with the Amalgamated Press.

Murella (talk) 00:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC) I received a "Commons" list of messages when I first logged in, concerning images in the Commons, Thw Bronze Killer bookcover and Tom Warder.jpg, and I succeeded in responding to the former, but I am unable to return to the list in order to confirm use of the second.

Murella (talk) 06:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Canada Volunteer Medal of Honour
There are several references in the article relating to Warder's receipt of "The Canada Volunteer Medal of Honour". No citation is given for this award, and no searches I have performed can find any evidence of the existence of such an award. Perhaps the name is incorrect? If no valid citation can be found, this fact may have to be removed from the article. (And before the inevitable question is asked: no, the picture of her with the medal is not sufficient verification. The picture is not sufficiently detailed to provide evidence as to what the medal is for.)  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I happened to glance at this and I'm sure I provided the citation. I'll look again. Unfortunately, even if I get the document scanned for you, there is no way I could send that, unless I provide it as an image. Murella (talk) 19:36, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be a good start to know what organization gave this medal. Perhaps their website has a list of past honorees?  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

It was given to her by the Government of Canada,for making Canada and the rest of the world aware of Hemochromatosis and the prevalence of the crippling and potentially fatal genetic disorder. 24.207.29.22 (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC) 24.207.29.22 (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that update, but we still need a reliable source to say so. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:38, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

On inline citations and clarifications
I added the template clarify after the Delta Optimist inline citation that follows this text:


 * A devout Christian, she was familiar for many years as a lay chaplain at the Delta Hospital in Ladner,British Columbia.

The Delta optimist inline citation (also termed "reference") looks like this:



Now, I did try to verify this by looking through maybe 8 issues of that newspaper, but I gave up as without a more precise date it is quite tedious. Therefore I added the clarify template hoping that someone could supply a date.

The archives are online at http://archive.delta-optimist.com/issues03/011203/news.html, but the html is broken such that one needs to repair it locally (I used the Opera browser) before it is searchable. This is another reason why a precise date would help.

The clarify template does not mean an editor is likely to remove the text: it is merely a request for more details to help verification. It does not mean the claim about being a lay chaplain will be removed, because print-only sources are also acceptable.

-84user (talk) 02:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

When described by the well-known South African lexicographer, Dr. H Terblanche, as the most perfectly bi-lingual person in the country,he was referring to English and Afrikaans; but from early childhood --due to her attachment to her Basutho nanny -- Marie Warder also spoke fluent Sesutho.(Sotho) Later, because she envied her sister who was able to converse with their father in Latin, she mastered it well enough to teach it. 24.207.29.22 (talk) 23:57, 22 December 2013 (UTC) 24.207.29.22 (talk) 00:01, 23 December 2013 (UTC) ````
 * And...? Interesting factoid, but not really relevant to the article and, again, unsourced.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:39, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

/* Biography */ Inserted info to connect with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Squadron_SAAF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Squadron_SAAF is mentioned in 3 different places, but not connected, even with the paragraph in the article about Marie Warder. It seems to be suggested that the article about 27 Squadron does not exist.

24.207.29.22 (talk) 05:42, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

IT CERTAINLY DID!!! Re: Segment about Frederick Abinger (Tom) Warder A recent addition addition to Wikipedia has been the article about 27 Squadron SAAF, and it should be noted that Frederick Abinger (Tom)Warder was at the age of 19, a member of that squadron in North Africa, Malta and Oran. After his return from the war, he became a gyroscopic expert, inventing--among other things-- the gyroscope brake which saved a great deal of of flying time on long trips, when planes had to be re-filled.

154.20.20.171 (talk) 20:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * This article is about Marie Warder, and should stick to verifiable facts about her life. There has already been a community consensus that Tom Warder is not sufficiently notable for his own article.  Attempts to expand this article to contain unsourced statements that aggrandize his life and accomplishments should be avoided.  As it stands, there is no verification that Tom Warder served with the 27th SAAF or that his post-war achievements were anything noteworthy, nor is there any point to such a claim, because, again, this article is not about Tom.  Tom is mentioned here solely because it was his diagnosis with hemochromatosis (and subsquently, their daughter's diagnosis) that spurred Marie's activism.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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