Talk:Mark Smeaton

Untitled
I was wondering if we should change this from "Marc Smeaton" to "Mark Smeaton," just because it seems that that is how it is usually spelt. --Qtoktok 23:10, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Major cleanup needed
What has been happening to this article? I feel almost like reverting it to a stub and starting again nearly from scratch!

It seems that unregistered user(s) at IP 64.136.26.228 has/have added a great deal of text without giving any sources. This unregstered IP has acquired an unfortunate history of rather unhelpful edits and has suffered a ban (see User talk:64.136.26.228).

Then recently there have been edits by unregistered users from the IP range 4.238.xxx.xxx which have added more unsourced material of a very similar nature.

The other problem with both sets of edits is that they have the style of writing an essay on the depiction of Marc Smeaton in literature, rather than someone looking up authoritative historical information. The article is now dominated by this discussion of fictional accounts, which I think should be moved to their own article (if it is indeed such a major subject) and properly sourced. This biographical article should just give a brief summary of the fictional depictions.

If no one objects I will delete all the fictional stuff and replace it with a few short summary sentences. Also I will start to have a look on the biographical part of the article, which also seems to have suffered a lot of waffly unsourced edits. -- Op. Deo 09:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I want to record my opinion that the recent edits (now reverted) by User:4.238.163.22 were helpful in the cleanup of this article. I think the very long and detailed account of Marc Smeaton in fiction was not appropriate in this biographical  WP article. I disagree with the revrsions of the edits by 4.238.163.22 today. -- Op. Deo 05:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

How many were executed?
The first paragraph of this article states that "four men" were executed for having affairs with Anne. Later, the article states that Smeaton and "four other men" were accused and executed. Which is it, four or five executed "lovers"? 67.79.121.53 (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Five - Norris, Smeaton, Brereton, Boleyn and Weston. I will amend. Boleyn (talk) 15:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Major cleanup, May 2008
I am going through this now and adding citations. Although there are books listed, they have not been referenced and I am unsure if they are all non-fiction. Boleyn (talk) 19:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Birthdate
Out of interest, where does the 1512 birthdate come from? I note it has been - quite properly - expressed as c. 1512, as it's impossible to be precise: I certainly don't know how someone could have come up with the 19 July birthday that was on a previous edition of this page (and on "The Tudors" wiki). But he may even have been younger than early 20s: Dr. Ives suggests that he may not have been older than twenty (which would suggest he was born in late 1515-early 1516) and I've come across other sources suggesting he was only in his late teens (though unfortunately I can't recall them precisely). I haven't edited it, but I just raise this for consideration. 124.180.113.53 (talk) 07:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Anne Boleyn awareness
It is said in the second part: "Anne is not thought to have noticed his disappearance or been informed of his arrest". But then it is written in the third part: "When she heard that Smeaton had failed to withdraw his "confession" in fully explicit terms, Anne was said to have been angry".

Which version is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.230.2.27 (talk) 02:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Torture
Was Smeaton really tortured? I read few days ago that Mark was subjected to the rack for 4 hours (!). That means, at the end of torture, Mark was quartered by the rack. Is this true, or not? In the movie, Mark is dragged by two men (to the place of the execution) because he was unable to walk.