Talk:Marxism–Leninism

Joseph Stalin did not create Marxism Leninism and it does not support "Socialism of one country" exclusively.
There is improperly sourced material on the page that is common knowledge for just about everyone who knows about Marxism Leninism. I don't know how it was allowed in the first place, but even when I edit it with sources it gets removed. Maybe someone else can edit it better than I can. Marxism Leninism was made by Lenin and it supports a global revolution in due time, while taking the steps towards socialism in the meantime. Socialism of one country was a policy of Stalin, that goes against Marxism Leninism's core foundation to achieve communism.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Marxism-Leninism

[https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/world-revolution Lenin on World Revolution, with the start of Socialism in one country. (Meaning not just Socialism of one country as Stalin later conceded)] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:300:4500:2050:C40B:7641:C694:BDE7 (talk • contribs)
 * It would really help if you could expand a little bit. Please explain how the cited content is improperly cited (you can quote each part and what the cited sources says to make the comparison easier for those who don't see what you're seeing). M.Bitton (talk) 20:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The currently sourced statements are just flat out wrong. One of the sources for Marxism-Leninism being made by Stalin is sourced from a book about Stalinism. None of the three sources can be verified just linked to random books, nothing other than the title of them and their codes. My edit had sources that backed itself up, unlike what's on there now.
 * The paragraph I tried to edit is about Stalinism, not Marxism-Leninism, but it's attributed to being Marxism Leninism.
 * https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/7thcong/01.htm
 * Here Lenin addresses congress and advocates for support and aid for other countries revolution alongside their own. The whole thing about Communism is that it requires a global revolution, the confusion is that Lenin began his steps toward socialism in one country as a beginning toward global Communism, while Stalin conceded his policy as a final point, abandoning the global revolution.
 * Lenin's name is literally in the title of the ideology and his picture is on the logo.
 * Here is my edit that had the proper sources, I don't think it was actually read without being removed first.
 * Marxism-Leninism is an adaptation of Marxism developed by Vladimir Lenin, which led to the first successful communist revolution in Lenin's Russia in November 1917. As such, it formed the ideological foundation for the world communist movement centering on the Soviet Union. In the twentieth century, all nations calling themselves communist and communist parties in other nations were founded on Marxist-Leninist principles. The core ideological features of Marxism-Leninism include the belief that a revolutionary proletarian class would not emerge automatically from capitalism. Instead, there was the need for a professional revolutionary vanguard party to lead the working class in the violent overthrow of capitalism, to be followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat as the first stage of moving toward communism.
 * Copy, pasted and sourced from here:
 * https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Marxism-Leninism
 * Source for it being the first communist revolution here:
 * https://www.history.com/topics/european-history/communism-timeline
 * And source for the dictatorship of the proletarian here:
 * https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch04.htm
 * All lined up properly within the paragraph and readily verifiable. 2601:300:4500:2050:C40B:7641:C694:BDE7 (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To clarify,
 * Joseph Stalin created the term or coined the name of the ideology as "Marxism Leninism", not the ideology itself. The paragraph in question states he created the entirety of the ideology which he did not. 2601:300:4500:2050:A85A:A191:C663:CE17 (talk) 08:20, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Really this entire subject is wrong. There is no such thing as "Leninism", that is what Marxism-Leninism is. The Leninism page shouldn't exist, the content of it should be under Marxism-Leninism's page, and clarified that Lenin created the ideology but Stalin coined the term Marxism Leninism.
 * Stalinism, which isn't even a thing just how Stalin ran things (Like Joe Bidenism for example), already has its own wiki page. Any and all content on "socialism in one country" should be there exclusively. 2601:300:4500:2050:DD69:45B9:5ED9:6C9C (talk) 08:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't true. Lenin didn't create leninism because Lenin considered himself an orthodox marxist. Stalin did create the ideology and coin the term "Marxist-leninism". Stalinism = Marxist-leninism, an ideology that developed coherence long after Lenin's death.  209.171.85.88 (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

All Communist material should be sourced exclusively from Marxists.org, Wikipedia has too many errors to count and needs to be rebuilt from the ground up by the admins themselves.
There's too many issues to name and the admins won't let us change them, so I ask the admins to work with Marxists.org and redo everything from scratch. Like literally everything even remotely communist related needs to be redone and replaced.

Wikipedia has always been reliable for me until I started studying communism, now I question what else I've learned.

I beg of the admins to get in contact with the people at Marxists.org and allow them to help rebuild these pages in their entirety. TheUserNameOfThisUser (talk) 09:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Basing everything from a single source will always be a bad idea; articles are built from a wide variety of independent sources. The reliability of Marxists.org has also been questioned in the past as it's partisan; it's good for finding works to reference, but it won't always be as objective as more independently written works. — Czello (music) 09:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Admins have no more authority than any other editors, just extra tools. It's not up to admins or anyone to contact any third party to inquire about editing any article- persons interested in the content of an article need to be here, and discuss their concerns.  Wikipedia does not claim to be a reliable source, see General disclaimer- and shouldn't be used as a source, see Wikipedia is not a reliable source.  No one should trust Wikipedia blindly- they should examine the sources for themselves. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia reflects the consensus of reliable sources, with an emphasis on academic research published by recognized subject matter experts. It is not a mouthpiece for any particular organization, faction, or doctrine, or selection of source material. Marxists.org have their own website, Wikipedia is not, nor should be, a mirror. for the particular doctrines found there, or to treat it as the sole authority on who should be considered a reliable source. Between your misconceptions about where Wikipedia finds information, and who does it, you appear to have a profoundly mistaken understanding of this encyclopedia. If you wish to explain how you think any of the 250+ references and dozens of bibliographic cites to subject matter experts are mistaken, please do so. We're not going to throw them all out to reflect one website's opinions.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

"Democratic socialism"
People's Multiparty Democracy is a form of democratic socialism derived from Marxism-Leninism in Nepal. However, at the beginning of the article it says that it opposes it, what is the source?

This is without counting Eurocommunism, Gorbachev's position and the communist parties of San Marino and India, which never renounced Marxism-Leninism in their existence. 186.32.217.1 (talk) 18:24, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Other example is the Portuguese Communist Party. 186.32.217.1 (talk) 18:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)