Talk:Masood Ahmed

Name
Why does this character's family take his forename as their surname? Or is this a mistake and the page is meant to say Ahmed Masood? Gung adin  ♦  19:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In some countries, particularly Asian countries, the family name comes before the given name. The rest of his family may have Anglicised their names whilst he has not. Just a suggestion. It could be a mistake, but when he was called "Masood Masood" on here I guessed it was confusion due to his family name coming first. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a discussion on Digital Spy forums about this too. Do a Google search for '"Masood Ahmed" EastEnders' and you'll find it. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation :) Gung adin  ♦  14:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the page should be moved to Ahmed Masood though. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 19:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How was he credited? "Mr Masood"? &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 19:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He was credited as "Masood", which makes that letter addressed to Mr Masood even more confusing. Maybe he is Masood Masood after all lol Gung  adin  ♦  20:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Unfortunately, none of the Masoods are on the official website. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Apart from "Kevin urges Denise to rise above her feud with Zainab, but he’s unable to take his own advice when he has a run-in with the new postie – Zainab’s husband, Masood." &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * lol, i'm imagining they will have a little comedy sub plot, where someone (prob Big Mo or Garry) goes around calling him Masood Masood, and then his name will be explained as you've explained it above. Gung adin  ♦  01:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * None of it makes sense to me anymore though... lol &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ignorant fools! Some Asian (esp Pakistani) people's surnames are their father's first name (similar to Icelandic and Swedish traditions). Masood Ahmed's father's first name was probably Ahmed and Tamwar Masood's son will likely have Tamwar as his surname. I'm impressed that EastEnders of all shows picked up on this and shows that they are actually trying to make these characters realistic. Whether the family is popular or not remains to be seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.166.92 (talk) 00:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't call us fools. We already worked the name thing out, thanks. anemone  I  projectors  00:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * "the family name comes before the given name" - wrong again, fools. Masood IS his given name. Like I said, (in many, but not all cases) the first name of the father is passed down to his children as their surname. The wife taking changing her surname to his first name is also common. It is not, as AnemoneProjectors suggested, the family name before the given name. --80.195.166.92 (talk) 22:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To the person who has removed the entire thread:

It seems you misunderstood the tone of my entry. The 'nasty' comments (use of the word 'fools') were only meant in jest and I find difficult to believe you'd be so offended by them that you'd resort to removing the whole discussion.

The discussion was very good idea to get the Pakistani naming convention out in the open. I, as a person with Pakistani parents, find this thread to be the best way to explain to people how the naming system works amongst my people. I admire you for trying to explain the seeming oddity on a TV show and certainly didn't mean any offence. Please reinstate the discussion as there will be people wondering why the Masood family's names are the way they are and to sweeten the deal, you can remove all occurences of the word 'fools'. --80.195.166.92 (talk) 23:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * When I said the family name comes before the given name, as this is the case in countries such as Japan, I thought it might be the case here. Obviously not. But please don't call us fools (especially ignorant ones), even in jest. It was as if you were calling us all stupid for not knowing. But thank you for explaining it. The thought that his first name was used as a last name for his wife and children had occured to me. We started this discussion before he appeared on-screen, so we didn't know how he would be referred to when he finally did appear. anemone  I  projectors  23:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * One thing about expressing yourself in print is that anything you write can be interpreted in a number of ways depending on the reader's state of mind. The funny thing is no reader will ever re-read anything to search for an alternate meaning of the same words. Just a thought. --80.195.166.92 (talk) 23:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Your posts have been informative, and i'm sure lots of people will appreciate the explanation. However, calling people you dont know "ignorant fools" is unlikely to ever be taken as a joke, particularly when you do so after you've been asked not to. It just seemed unnecessarily rude. We may not be clued up on the Pakistani naming system, but we were discussing it here because we wanted to learn. I think the fact that we are trying to educate ourselves on different customs is a good thing. Gung adin  ♦  23:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Storyline
The last section of the storyline was far too detailed, and also largely from the wrong POV. This is Mas's page, after all. I have tightened it up and made it more clearly about Masood's journey. raining girl (talk) 19:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Divorced??
Forgive me but haven't they just got divorced? &mdash; if this is the case why does it still say Wife Zainab Masood (1983&mdash;) ?? &mdash; it should surely say Wife Zainab Masood (1983–2011) shouldn't it??

-- Equalizer2011 (talk) 16:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No as they are not legally divorced, only by tradition. GSorby –  Ping!   18:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't follow, so you mean in the eyes of Shiva they are still legally married? --Equalizer2011 (talk) 18:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Basically, they are divorced only through their religion. They are still married by law. GSorby –  Ping!   18:47, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Not being or racist or anything but isn't Hinduism strange?? lol oh well thanks for that --Equalizer2011 (talk) 19:51, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wrong religion. – Anemone Projectors – 13:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahahah! AP. So blunt. :D Mayhem  Mario  19:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Brother's name
Did anyone have subtitles up when Masood said the name of his brother last night? I did, but I missed that part. Wanted to check the spelling. – Anemone Projectors – 12:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Just checked and it was AJ. - JuneGloom    Talk  14:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Was Masood born in Pakistan?
I ask this question because I noticed the category Category:Fictional British people of Pakistani descent, which contained all of the Masoods, and they've all been moved to one for English rather than British, but I moved Zainab to Category:Fictional Pakistani people because she was born in Pakistan - Yusef was already in that category. I assume that Masood was too, but wanted to check just in case. – Anemone Projectors – 14:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't Massood and Zainab meet in Pakistan? We know Massood's father lived there before he died. I dont know if its ever been stated whether he was born here or in Pakistan. Bleaney (talk) 14:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * They definitely met in Pakistan because that's where Yusef set fire to Zainab, etc. His accent implies he's been in England longer than Zainab though. – Anemone Projectors – 15:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Accent means nothing... some people retain their accent, other lose it quickly. It is no yardmark of how long someone has been in a country. In actuality, Nina Wadia who plays Zainab is of Irananian descent, not Pakistani, but Zainab is supposed to be. Bleaney (talk) 16:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But she was born in India (and apparently educated in Hong Kong). I don't know much about how accents change but I was under the impression that as an adult you tend to retain your accent but as a child you tend to change it. But this is irrelevant, whether correct or not. What should we do about Masood and his category? – Anemone Projectors – 17:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I think he shouldn't be categorised as anything, as we simply don't know. We suspect, and its highly likely that he was born in Pakistan, but we don't have that verified. I guess we have to hope that Masood/AJ may allude to their birth place in a subsequent episode, but until then we shouldn't speculate by adding categories that may be wrong. Bleaney (talk) 18:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Did their brother Imzamam have an accent? AJ clearly doesn't. I don't know how old AJ is meant to be (younger than Masood - Imzamam is older). It seems complicated. Probably means we can't go by the accent even if it does mean something. Masood and Zainab married in January 1983, so he was 21 and she was 20, and she was 15 when she married Yusef. Hmm, just thinking aloud... Masood could have gone to Pakistan at any time if he was born in the UK. – Anemone Projectors – 09:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's all conjecture - Imzamam had an English-Asian accent, but again it proves nothing. Interestingly Masood has only referred to his father living in Pakistan, he's never referred to him being in England. Bleaney (talk) 14:38, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Oh I know!!!!!! In an interview Ganatra did with Inside Soap about AJ's arrival, he said they grew up as British Asians who went to clubs and got into trouble with girls. Sorted? – Anemone Projectors – 15:25, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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Return Date
The article about Mariam and arshad and and the official twitter page both say that masood will return in the new year with his family but I can't find a single source saying he will return in the next two weeks. Aacfsftw (talk) 09:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Well he did return in November but I believe it's just the one episode until January with Mariam and Arshad. —  ᴀnemone  ᴘroᴊecтors  17:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)