Talk:Massacre of Thessalonica

I don't understand what happened
The lead section states: the massacre was a retaliatory action by the Emperor against the citizens of Thessaloniki, but then later in the article it states that angry Gothic troops massacred the citizens for murdering Butherich, a fellow Gothic soldier. Did the Emperor order the troops against Thessaloniki? From the article it sounds as though they were acting on their own. The bishop certainly seems to have blamed the Emperor, but I don't see where he really got invovled. --ErinHowarth (talk) 02:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The Emperor ordered them into Thessalonica; they may then have gotten out of control, but that was unsurprising. He did not order the massacre, but he could have averted it; that was Ambrose's complaint. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

'Sexual offense'
… seems a little vague. The article appears in the category of "Sexuality in ancient Rome," but doesn't actually provide any information on this topic, such as what the offense was. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I hope I satisfied your curiosity, pal.Romanus451 (talk) 20:59, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

"he tried to rape a male cupbearer"? The reference cited should actually contain that information, but it doesn't. Sozomen 7.25 only has "When Buthericus was general of the troops in Illyria, a charioteer saw him shamefully exposed at a tavern, and attempted an outrage; he was apprehended and put in custody.". 107.200.10.45 (talk) 17:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

OR
This article appears to be based entirely on original sources indicating original research. It needs inline citation to secondary sources that actually say what is said here. I don't see anything incorrect, but it still needs proper sourcing. Please. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Additions
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 * The deed is done, if there are any changes you think need to be made, offer good sources and we will make them. Thank you Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


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