Talk:Melissa Fumero

Arbitrary header
Hi, would you mind discussing your changes here? Firstly, while Fumero's Twitter supports a North Bergen birthplace, more secondary/tertiary sources support her birthplace being Lyndhurst (e.g. Rotten Tomatoes, TV Guide, TV Insider, etc.). Since the secondary/tertiary sources contradict the primary source (Fumero's Twitter), it seems to fail WP:ABOUTSELF #4 (there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity). The best known for her role as Amy Santiago in Brooklyn Nine-Nine is unsourced and at its core, at least to me, is an opinion. For the headers, MOS:HEAD recommends following the guidelines for article titles, and WP:AT states a title (or header, in this case) should tell the reader what the article (or section) is about. While I agree that it does not fit within the subheading, When she began working in the entertainment business, Gallo felt ostracized. She was only able to audition for roles as the "hood girl, maid, or some overly sexualized woman in a nude scene" is still relevant to Fumero's career. Would you have any objection to renaming the section "2004–2012: early work" or similar? Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 06:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I would not have any objection to you having the birthplace as Lyndhurst, I would offer keeping the subheading name as it is but leaving the quote out as to not deviate any further. Would that be a fair compromise? Thank you LOLman123 (talk) 06:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, ✅ for the birthplace. I've removed the "best known for" claim for the time being due to lack of sourcing. I'm not sure what you mean by as to not deviate any further, as I see no substantive reason why the quote can't be included or the subheading should not be changed. Do you have anything against the inclusion of the quote itself? It's WP:DUE weight in my opinion, and we don’t have anything much regarding her career before OLTL. Pamzeis (talk) 09:56, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ? Pamzeis (talk) 03:14, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The subheading you have created is perfectly fine and fits the paragraph well. Adding the quote would be too much detail and deviate from what you have already provided. I'm happy to make this compromise with the changes you have already made to the "best known for" and birthplace. LOLman123 (talk) 04:13, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm still having trouble understanding your reasoning. Could you elaborate? Also, Emma Stone, a featured article, (yes, I know, essentially a WP:OSE argument—but it's an example) includes similar information, albeit in the "early life" section. Would you be OK with putting the quote in the early life section? Pamzeis (talk) 04:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would be okay with you adding "When she began working in the entertainment business, Gallo felt ostracized. She was only able to find roles that were unsuitable for her" at the beginning of the paragraph under the OLTL subheader while leaving the quote out as not to stray into too much detail. LOLman123 (talk) 14:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The issue with that wording is that Fumero doesn't explicitly say the roles were unsuitable, making it original research. Can you give further explanation why it's too much detail? Pamzeis (talk) 13:23, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As with the detail I do feel like it falls into Too much detail. And yes, I'd be perfectly fine with you using different wording, I just used that as an example. LOLman123 (talk) 05:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

OK, I've added the following: When she began working in the entertainment business, Gallo felt ostracized. She was only able to audition for certain roles. Any opinions? Pamzeis (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, that seems to be completely fine. Thank you for your work. LOLman123 (talk) 03:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)