Talk:Metal Box

totally inadequate
OK, so what I've written is totally inadequate, but I couldn't believe there wasn't already an article. I almost wondered if it wasn't already there for a reason - like it's bad luck or something. Gyrofrog 07:23, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Metal Box vs. Second Edition?
I originally set up Second Edition as a re-direct to Metal Box. But since Second Edition has its own album cover, I decided it deserved its own article after all, if only as a placeholder for its Wikiproject Albums table.

Any further information about Metal Box or Second Edition that isn't specifically about the latter should probably go in the Metal Box article.

Gyrofrog 21:47, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Merge of Articles
I feel there is not enough to justify the two seperate articles, so would support a merge. Both covers pics could still be used, and any onfo not otherwise in the Metal Box article (which should remain the article header, with a redirect from Second Edition).LessHeard vanU 21:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * merge with Second Edition--Design 23:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've merged the two articles. I've left Talk:Second Edition as-is. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 04:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Previous Content
The following text refers to this article's previous content, which has been merged to Super Mario 64.

I've just looked at Super Mario 64, and the most of this information is already there (though the object is referred to as "Green Block" rather than "Metal Box"). Also, I'm wondering about moving contents of Metal Box (disambiguation) to this article, instead of changing this article to an automatic redirect (but then what do we do with the existing disambig page, redirect it to this article?). That way, anyone who types in "Metal Box" while looking for Metal Box (album) won't get redirected to Super Mario 64 (where it wouldn't make any sense to put "For other uses, see Metal Box (disambiguation)"). Or move Metal Box (album) here. (And in the time it took me to write about this, I could have gone ahead and done it, but I thought it better to ask first.) Comments? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:22, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion
This page was recently nominated for deletion, and the consensus decision was to keep it. The deletion debate is archived here. ugen 64 21:14, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

From (a previous) VfD:

Metal Box: subtrivial fancruft. No redeeming value and a waste of resources. Wile E. Heresiarch 05:15, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete after merging into Super Mario 64. The "metal" power-up is a recurring element found in several Nintendo games, though, so SM64 might not be the best permanent home for this info. OTOH, I'd rather not see individual articles about the Tankooni Suit and the Goomba Shoe. Maybe a single article about Nintendo paraphenalia could be created in the future, but Metal Box needs to go. &bull; Benc &bull; 05:34, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: I'm sure that it's a cool thing to console game players, but it's trivia that belongs elsewhere. Geogre 11:40, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge. Possibly merge to Mario 64 Page, Super Smash Bros. Melee Page, or an entirely new article entitled something like List of Nintendo Items or List of Nintendo gizmos. 67.84.138.44 01:07, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. anthony (see warning) 14:46, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete after merging into (something Nintendo-ish) zoney &#09619;  &#09618; talk 21:51, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Merge --[[User:Allyunion|AllyUnion (Talk)]] 07:32, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

end moved discussion

Disambiguation

I was expecting an article about the album Metal Box by Public Image Ltd. I guess the deletion discussed above didn't happen, so I've added the disambiguation. Gyrofrog 07:44, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

=John Lydon did not actually hate Pink Floyd!= Smiloid 09:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ...but Johnny Rotten did!LessHeard vanU 20:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps he borrowed that T-shirt from someone else! LOL Smiloid 01:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

=CD Label misprint, common?= I just noticed that the Metal Box CD I've had for several years had it's label misprinted as "This is what you want ... this is what you get" (which is really confusing since I own that CD as well, and they look identical). It's tracklisting is the same, but still. I also saw one review on Amazon of someone who had also got a copy with that misprint, now I wonder if it's an error that is on most of the copies or if I've had a rare collectable for several years without knowing it? - 213.89.251.44 (talk) 20:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Second Edition / 45rpm
I was under the impression that Second Edition was remixed slightly, and has a different sound to Metal Box (the explanation being that Metal Box was a set of 12" records played at 45rpm, which allowed for deeper bass). This discussion dances around the issue but at least mentions it. In fact, was Metal Box a set of 45rpm (rather than 33rpm) discs? 2/metalbox.html Fodderstompf says yes, but Wikipedia says nothing. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 21:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You are correct, it was 45pm and had different sound. See also: TrouserPress.com. (In fact I thought this had been cited in this article, perhaps in an earlier version.) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. 12 years on now! The 33rpm records require different EQ in the cutting process, it has to be different, that's physics.Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:13, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

External links modified
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Some serious problems
The Keith Levene interview cited http://www.furious.com/perfect/keithlevene2.html is littered with impossible claims and false memories. Poptones was not recorded at The Manor but at the Townhouse. The drums in the billiard room at the Manor were played by David Humphrey and were not used for Poptones. The claim that Death Disco was recorded at a hall in Brixton says that they worked with Jim Walker 'but didn't record with him' - this is self contradictory. Death Disco was recorded at The Manor with Humphrey on drums not Walker or Dudanski. I'll find correct citatins and work on this. I don't think this interview is a reliable source. Any thoughts? Thelisteninghand (talk) 19:14, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Wobble's book is cited as saying they were at the Manor for "Poptones", He is also wrong. What can be done when citations to interviews with musicians who played the music are wrong? Isn't that primary source? 'Memoirs of a Geezer' also talks about a trip to the forest in Joe the roadie's "Japanese Car" and says this took place "around the country lanes of Oxfordshire" - at the Manor. The reference to that trip could not have come before it and the song did not get written and recorded instantly at the Manor. It came weeks later. I'll try to find citations. Thelisteninghand (talk) 19:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)