Talk:Mexico City Metropolitan Cathedral

Pendulum
I think this pendulum that hangs down from the center of the building should be included in the article. See here: https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photos-foucault-pendulum-cathedral-metropolitan-mexico-image13756478 --Hooperbloob (talk) 18:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Ideas for improving the article
I've made some changes to the article, hopefully you will see them as improvements. Here are some further ideas for improvement.  Linguist At Large  18:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Just have one list of chapels, starting at front left and going in clockwise order. Remove the "east" and "west" designations. This will remove one "level" of indentation for the headings.
 * Done  Linguist At Large  17:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unlink the dozens of years that are currently linked. The links are probably unnecessary and distracting. See WP:OVERLINK.
 * Done.  Linguist At Large</b> </b> 22:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reduce the number of redlinks in the article by either creating stubs for those articles, or unlinking them. See WP:REDLINK. For example some of the architects and other people mentioned in the article may not meet the notability requirements for an article, and thus can be unlinked.
 * Expand the Sacristy section a bit, (so the photo doesn't run into the next section below it).
 * Perhaps remove the "Chapel of" from the names of all the chapels. Since they are in the Chapels section, that should be a given.
 * Expand the 4 items in the "Other features" section (Organs, Crypt, Choir and Paintings). Or, if these items can't be expanded, remove the 4 headings I added and replace the whole thing with prose.
 * Done This looks done enough to cross off the list <b style="font-size:0.9em;font-weight:bold;border:1px dashed #CCC;"> <b style="color:#080;">Linguist</b> At <b style="color:#600;">Large</b> </b> 17:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge the two chapel galleries with the gallery at the bottom of the page OR remove those two galleries and add one small image per chapel, alternating left and right for each chapel, at maybe 100px in size, so they fit within the space for each chapel.
 * Done. Included some of the pictures inline, and moved the rest to the gallery at the bottom of the article. <b style="font-size:0.9em;font-weight:bold;border:1px dashed #CCC;"> <b style="color:#080;">Linguist</b> At <b style="color:#600;">Large</b> </b> 20:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Check relevance of external links, and give each remaining link a descriptive title.
 * Done. All external links removed, since none of them meet the requirements for inclusion. <b style="font-size:0.9em;font-weight:bold;border:1px dashed #CCC;"> <b style="color:#080;">Linguist</b> At <b style="color:#600;">Large</b> </b> 22:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Consider removing the gallery entirely (see this), after seeing if one or two of the pictures would go well inline in the article.
 * Done. Gallery moved to the talk page for now <b style="font-size:0.9em;font-weight:bold;border:1px dashed #CCC;"> <b style="color:#080;">Linguist</b> At <b style="color:#600;">Large</b> </b> 22:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Research the term sagrarium and see if it is the appropriate word for sagrario in Spanish. See Church tabernacle, Sacrarium, Sagrario.  "Sagrarium" doesn't appear in my M-W collegiate dictionary, and the translation for "sagrario" in my unabridged Harper collins Spanish-English dict is "shrine, tabernacle, sacrarium". After deciding what the correct term is, the entire Sagrarium section would need to be converted. <b style="font-size:0.9em;font-weight:bold;border:1px dashed #CCC;"> <b style="color:#080;">Linguist</b> At <b style="color:#600;">Large</b> </b> 21:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed term to "tabernacle"

Tziluca
I removed the reference to Tziluca in the "Bell towers" section because I'm pretty sure it's erroneous. There are only a handful of Google hits for Tziluca, and some are copies of this article. Might it be Toluca?

Here is the change I made: <b style="border:1px solid #080; font-size:0.9em;"> LinguistAtLarge • Msg </b> 19:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * (original) "They are capped with bell-shaped roofs made of tezontle covered in chiluca (a white stone from Tziluca)."
 * (current) "They are capped with bell-shaped roofs made of tezontle covered in chiluca, a white stone."

Saint Rose of Saint Mary
In the "Bell towers" section, it mentions Saint Rose of Saint Mary. Is this correct, or is it supposed to be Saint Rose and Saint Mary? <b style="border:1px solid #080; font-size:0.9em;"> LinguistAtLarge • Msg </b> 17:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Which one is the oldest?
The article of the Catedral de Santa María la Menor claims that it is the oldest cathedral of the Americas. The same is said of the Metropolitan Cathedral. Which one is the true?

Kauderwelsch (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Largest cathedral in the Americas?
The claim that the Metropolitan Cathedral is largest in the Americas seems dubious, it is not supported by a WP:reliable source, and in addition:
 * The source provided in the article also claims it is the oldest, when in fact, the Catedral Primada de América (Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor) located in Ciudad Colonial Santo Domingo is still in use, and was built and opened well before the Metropolitan Cathedral. This example illustrates this source is not quiet reliable, since this fact is not in dispute to the best of my knowledge. It might be the oldest in the continental Americas, but that could be also the Cathedral Basilica of St. John the Apostle and Evangelist, Lima. This is why this type of claim has to be supported by independent reliable sources.
 * When defining the largest, a unit of measure should be attached. Is it the largest in volume? area? capacity (number of people that would fit in)? in length? in height? A reliable source would help to clarify this issue.
 * The Basilica of the National Shrine of Our Lady of Aparecida seems to be largest than the Metropolitan Cathedral by several of these metrics, and the Wikipedia article claims is the second largest in the world after St. Peter's Basilica in terms of capacity and construction are (see this reference here from the article in Portuguese. Check also the WP article List of largest church buildings, in terms of gross volume, the Metropolitan Cathedral ranks fourth, after one cathedral in the U.S. and two in Brazil.
 * Anyway, such claim requires a really good and objective reliable source. Could it be the largest in terms of ..... in North and Central America perhaps. Cheers--Mariordo (talk) 01:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Question re: statue on grounds
Does anyone know anything about this statue on the cathedral's grounds? User:Tbhotch has suggested the artwork may be in a restricted area. Please ping me with any leads. Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Machine translation
This article seems to be machine-translated from the Spanish-language version. Some indication of its machine translation origins: "lawyer of the rays", "its factory was already beginning", etc. This article is in need of a revamping if it hopes to maintain its good-article status. DHN (talk) 08:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * @DHN Might be time for Guild of Copy Editors and/or Good article reassessment. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Altar of Forgiveness
There's a standalone entry for the Altar of the Kings. Should there be one for the Altar of Forgiveness as well? The Altars section is not terribly long, but if content re: the altars were forked, we could have a single subsection here with a summary of all the altars. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:20, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Altar of the Kings
This version of Altar of the Kings was redirected. Spanish Wikipedia has a standalone entry. Curious if editors think there's enough sourcing and content for a standalone page here at English Wikipedia as well. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

GA concerns
After reviewing this article, I have many concerns that it does not meet the good article criteria anymore. I have listed my concerns below:


 * At 5 paragraphs, the lede is longer than recommended at WP:LEADLENGTH. Can this be trimmed? Is all the information in the lede cited in the article? WP:CITELEDE recommends that inline citations are not used in the lede and these should probably be removed.
 * The article is disorganised: the history section stops at its constructions, but restoration work is outlined at the end of the article. The history section also gives information about the architecture. Can someone organise the information?
 * There are many uncited sentences and paragraphs.

Is anyone willing the address the above concerns? If not, I may nominate it for WP:GAR. Z1720 (talk) 02:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)