Talk:Miguel Treviño Morales

Money laundering
Get the load of this 6-page article: . I hope it is useful for updates. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

New York Times article
According to the New York Times Miguel Treviño Morales was never part of the military unit with Lazcano. The articles states that Treviño Morales was a smuggler who had roots in Nuevo Laredo and was brought in by Lazcano to handle logistics.RichardBond (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Source: Miguel Ángel Treviño, known as Zeta-40, or just 40, was never in the military. But he became useful to the Zetas for his experience moving contraband across the border.
 * I think we should compare references and work it out. BatteryIncluded (talk) 14:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * RichardBond is right. Z-40 does not have a military background. ComputerJA (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Right, in a narcomanta planted by Chapo Guzman he was described as former lavacarros (car washer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.77.218.249 (talk) 01:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know if the "narcomantas" should be considered legitimate, but a quick search I made proved Z-40 was not in the military. And, the citations in the article claiming he was of the GAFE's did not mention a thing about it. Best, ComputerJA (talk) 01:43, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

So lets go for the NY Times article. Thanks, BatteryIncluded (talk) 01:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

"Confirmed split": Treviño Morales has more control than Lazcano
Here's a source saying that MTM has taken the lead of the organization, just above Lazcano. I'll wait for more Mexican sources to confirm this, however. ComputerJA (talk) 23:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * InSight Crime says it's still just a rumor, although the rupture is inevitable. . I might still create an article on the fighting, similar to the Infighting in the Gulf Cartel. ComputerJA (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Moreira's son allegedly killed by Z-40's men
Here are two links that say Z-40 may have ordered Jose Eduardo Moreira's execution after one of his nephews was killed in a gunbattle just a day before. I'll wait for sources to confirm. ComputerJA (talk) 04:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Arrest?
He may have been arrested. We'll see if its true. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 20:23, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Birthdate
1970 as his birthday must be wrong. He looks younger, meaning reports about 39, 40 years of age must be correct. Probably 1973 should his year of birth. Cruks (talk) 21:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Source from the U.S. government says he was born in 1970. The fact that he looks "younger" is not a good reason to change his actual DOB. Please read the footnote #1 for his alternative DOBs. ComputerJA (  ☎  •  ✎  ) 21:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Introductory description
Needful, but don't you think it's longer than the actual limit? Capitals00 (talk) 08:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The length of the leads, as explained in WP:LEADLENGTH, are just a general guideline. I'm guessing it can oftentimes be decided by consensus, too. As of now, I'm not sure what to exclude though... I think the lead fits perfectly. Might need some input from you. ComputerJA (  ☎  •  ✎  ) 12:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Passive Voice
The Intro section (and likely the rest of the article) contains a slew of sentences that are written in the passive voice. I changed a few but User:ComputerJA reverted my changes, stating that "the intro is only a summary of the article. For details, read the sections below where the sources for it can be found. If you believe that something in the intro is not found elsewhere, please consult the talkpage."

I tagged several passive sentences in the article with. I realize now that the ByWhom tag is for unsourced statements, not for passive statements. Regardless, the overuse of passive voice is poor style.

Furthermore, ComputerJA requests that I consult the talkpage before making changes. I noticed however that he doesn't seem to hold himself to the same standard.

I'll make one pass at identifying the passive voice in the intro. I might miss some. The point is to demonstrate its overuse.

It's just way too much passive voice. Also, note that a guiso is a stew, not a cook out. --179.218.131.53 (talk) 00:46, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Considered a violent and dangerous criminal..."
 * "Miguel Ángel Treviño Morales...commonly referred to by his alias Z-40"
 * "His fluent English and experience of moving contraband...enabled him to be recruited..."
 * "...he was appointed as the regional boss of Los Zetas in Nuevo Laredo and was given the task to fight off the forces of the Sinaloa Cartel..."
 * "Treviño Morales was moved to Veracruz and appointed"
 * "victims would be dumped into oil barrels, doused with gasoline and burned alive."
 * "Mexican Marines arrested Treviño Morales...without a single bullet being fired. "
 * "he will be succeeded by his younger brother"
 * Hi, thanks for your using the talkpage. I initially thought that your concern was that the intro was not supported by sources, not about its grammatical accuracy. I'm really sorry to have dismissed your comments earlier without looking back at the usage of passive voice. Are you willing to make the changes you addressed above in the article? I'm sure it will be of great help if you reword them for me so I can look at the rest of the article for more. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 06:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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