Talk:Mike and the Mechanics

Name
This may seem an odd question but why is it Mike + The Mechanics and not Mike & The Mechanics? Doozy88 20:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's how they spell it on all their releases. Probably just to stand out a little. 172.167.38.193 (talk) 03:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it varies: in their 85, 88, and 04 albums, and the 2000 compilation, it's "Mike + The Mechanics". But in the 91, 95, and 99 albums, and the 2005 compilation, it's "Mike & The Mechanics". -- Stormwatch (talk) 13:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Per WP:MOS shouldn't it be written here as "Mike and The Mechanics"? 2tuntony (talk) 19:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite possibly. I was going to check the references to see how the reliable sources render it... but it doesn't look there are any reliable sources referenced in the article. Seems like getting its sourcing up to snuff ought to be the first priority here. 28bytes (talk) 19:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I added an allmusic bio as a start. It could use a couple more, though, and some inline citations to boot. 28bytes (talk) 20:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The ampersand is just as prevalent on the singles and albums as the plus sign. There's also no consistency on whether "The" is capitalized or not, or for that matter whether any of the letters are. (There doesn't ever seem to be a spelled-out "and," though.) Since it's clear it varies from release to release, I'm moving it to "Mike & The Mechanics."--Mike Selinker (talk) 03:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Moved the article back to "Mike + The Mechanics". Your rationale is double-edged; it can equally be used to justify the article having either name. Also, "Mike + The Mechanics" is used throughout Wikipedia, so having the article named "Mike & The Mechanics" introduces an unnecessary inconsistency.--Martin IIIa (talk) 01:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Infobox
I think this article needs an infobox to make it easier on the eyes and to group the most important info... It would be good if someone more used to band boxes than me did it. – Roma_emu talk 20:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I put it in, Roma_emu. I just copy, paste, change items, and it looks more like a proper entry.Sposato (talk) 12:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Just need to point out that Paul Young has not died! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.189.167 (talk) 11:59, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

"The Road" Link Changed
I changed the link for the upcoming Mike and the Mechanics album, "The Road," because the previous link was being directed to the movie "The Road." Since the CD has yet to be released, this is why I changed the link, the previous link to the movie was misleading.

--68.60.60.117 (talk) 02:02, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

"The Road" Section Updated
I've updated some information regarding the upcoming "The Road" album and concert information, in case anyone is interested. Thought the info would be appreciated.--68.60.60.117 (talk) 18:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Pink Floyd?
How exactly is Pink Floyd an associated act of this group? Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 22:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Gary Wallis recorded and toured with Pink Floyd in the late 80's/early 90's. However, this is irrelevent as Wikipedia's infobox guidelines clearly state that one shared member (and Wallis was never a "member" of Pink Floyd) doesn't mean two acts are associated. Burbridge92 (talk) 22:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Spelling
Per the English language, the title of this article should be Mike and the Mechanics or Mike & the Mechanics. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 01:51, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The band's name is usually stylized as "Mike + The Mechanics", and correct English language is irrelevent where band names are concerned. They named their group, the page represents their group, therefore we go with the status quo. Burbridge92 (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Peter Van Hooke
Presently, the article states that Peter Van Hooke was a member of the band during the 2004 Rewired era. The impression I got from interviews and other promotion publications at the time was that he played a significant role on the album but was not an official member during this period. Since activity on this article seems to be very low, I'm going to go ahead and remove the "2004" next to Van Hooke's name rather than wait around for a reply, but if anyone sees this post and happens to know for sure whether or not he actually rejoined the band, please say something!--Martin IIIa (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I am aware, you are correct. I believe the only official members of the band during that time were Rutherford and Carrack, and that the only official members of the band up to that point were Rutherford, Carrack, Young, Lee, and Van Hooke (on his first stint only), which would make the members' sections as they currently stand correct. Burbridge92 (talk) 22:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation of band name
Is it "Mike plus the Mechanics" or "Mike and the Mechanics". If it's not the former, shouldn't there be an explanation in the article for readers who are unfamiliar with the group? Modal Jig (talk) 17:23, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I've considered that, since I've heard an interview with Rutherford from 1985 where he consistently pronounces the name as "Mike and the Mechanics". I'm afraid the addition might come off as rather pedantic, though, since most people instinctively pronounce "+" as "and" in contexts like that. (Heck, many if not most people even pronounce mathematical expressions such as "4+3=7" as "four and three is seven".) Thoughts?--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:55, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Ipswich venue 2014
I've been to make this comment since seeing them at the Ipswich Regent. They were brilliant but after an hour an absurdly bright and dazzling search light blasting everyone in the upper right corner circle I and people around me had enough. This strobing visual assault from the stage ruined the evening for me and many around me and especially for my partner' birthday who ended the night with a migraine. Hopefully someone will pick up on this, the music was great but I couldn't look toward the stage without being blinded. Derek — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.138.222 (talk) 11:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 18 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Mike + The Mechanics → Mike and the Mechanics – Although in the band's early years the plus sign was used very much in publications talking about the band, in this century the writings have shifted to "Mike and the Mechanics" or "Mike and The Mechanics" (capitalized "T".) The books All Music Guide to Rock and The Encyclopedia of Popular Music do not use the plus sign, among many others. Per WP:BANDNAME, the lower case 'the' should be used. Binksternet (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * Support. Binksternet (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: You know you say: "Although in the band's early years the plus sign was used very much in publications talking about the band, in this century the writings have shifted to 'Mike and the Mechanics'." If I say oppose, I mean that I don't like with your request move. But I say support, I mean that I like with your request move and later move into "Mike and the Mechanics" over redirect. So, for better thing, I just say comment. Can you thing twice that you also moving other my favorite bands into a new title like Paul Revere & The Raiders (move into Paul Revere and the Raiders), Gary Lewis & The Playboys (move into Gary Lewis and the Playboys), The Mamas & The Papas (move into The Mamas and the Papas instead of The Mamas and The Papas), etc.? I know, I agree with the policy of WP:BANDNAME, WP:SONG § Capitalization, and other Wikipedia's rules that how I write a title. And now I write the title of every songs per Wikipedia's rule of WP:SONG § Capitalization like Golden Earring's, "I'll Make It All Up to You", Paramore's, "Brick by Boring Brick", and Dann Huff & Giant's, "I'll See You in My Dreams" after these songs adding into my personal music playlist. After this that written capitalized "T" in "I'll Make It All Up to You", "B" in "Brick by Boring Brick", and "I" in "I'll See You in My Dreams", then I mixing these audio files to more radio-friendly and later I re-write these songs' title in lowercased as per WP:SONG § Capitalization. Also, in this century, I see the writings of these bands like Paul Revere and the Raiders, Gary Lewis and the Playboys, The Mamas and the Papas, etc. on other entertainment sites using "and" and lowercased "T". But, other entertainment sites still wrote these old writings with the "&" sign and capitalized "T" instead of "and" and lowercased "T". So, once again, can you think twice to move these my favorite bands into a new title? Thanks. Wisnu Aji (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Below this we can assemble a list of sources that use "and" instead of the plus sign. Binksternet (talk) 14:25, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The Living Years by founding member Mike Rutherford
 * All Music Guide to Rock
 * The Encyclopedia of Popular Music
 * Spin magazine
 * The International Who's Who in Popular Music 2002
 * Popstrology: The Art and Science of Popstars
 * The Cavern Club: The Rise of The Beatles and Merseybeat
 * Rock and Roll
 * Billboard magazine in 1986
 * The Virgin Encyclopedia of Nineties Music
 * The Guinness Encyclopedia of Popular Music


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Post-move comment
Five years later, we still have inconsistency as Category:Mike + The Mechanics and everything within still uses "+". 162 etc. (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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Mike and the mechanics were on tour
Saw Mike and the Mechanics in Florida in 2018. 2603:9001:1800:80EC:E125:29F9:F72:C226 (talk) 01:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)