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Moves and redirects
Thank you for, I hope you are enjoying editing on Wikipedia. When you move/rename articles, please be mindful of double redirects or navboxes at the bottom of articles. The navboxes will need to be updated too with the new link for the article, so that the article appears in bold in the navbox when on the article page. I've updated a few navboxes, but I'm sure there are more. Best regards Pjposullivan (talk) 16:31, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * And while we're discussing redirects, linking directly to one is acceptable in the run of articles. See WP:NOTBROKEN for additional details. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, when it comes to It Is Well with My Soul/It Is Well, I thought about making the dab page there, but ended up leaving the primary redirect. 162 etc. (talk) 21:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

May 2021
Welcome to Wikipedia. Editors are expected to treat each other with respect and civility. On this encyclopedia project, editors assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not appear to do at List of the 100 largest municipalities in Canada by population. Here is Wikipedia's welcome page, and it is hoped that you will assume the good faith of other editors and continue to help us improve Wikipedia! Thank you very much! It's rose gold! (T?) 19:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I certainly would assume that good faith motivated your revert; however, I believe it is in error. The deleted tables do not belong in an article named List of the 100 largest municipalities in Canada by population, a list should be a list.  I invite you to join me at Talk:List of the 100 largest municipalities in Canada by population to discuss. 162 etc. (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

(single album)
16:17, 24 May 2021 diff hist +288‎  Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests ‎ →‎Uncontroversial technical requests current 16:14, 24 May 2021 diff hist +73‎  Spring ‎ →‎Albums and EPs current 16:13, 24 May 2021 diff hist +87‎  N Talk:Spring (Park Bom single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Spring (Park Bom single album) to Talk:Spring (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Spring current Tag: New redirect 16:13, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Talk:Spring (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Spring (Park Bom single album) to Talk:Spring (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Spring current 16:13, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Spring (Park Bom single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Spring (Park Bom single album) to Spring (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Spring 16:08, 24 May 2021 diff hist +17‎  Power ‎ →‎Albums current 16:07, 24 May 2021 diff hist −6‎  Power (B.A.P EP) ‎ ←Changed redirect target from Power (B.A.P single album) to Power (single album) current Tag: Redirect target changed 16:06, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Talk:Power (B.A.P single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Power (B.A.P single album) to Talk:Power (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Power 16:06, 24 May 2021 diff hist +81‎  N Power (B.A.P single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Power (B.A.P single album) to Power (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Power current Tag: New redirect 16:06, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Power (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Power (B.A.P single album) to Power (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Power current 16:05, 24 May 2021 diff hist +29‎  Lollipop (disambiguation) ‎ →‎Arts, entertainment, and media current 16:04, 24 May 2021 diff hist −7‎  Lollipop (Imfact song) ‎ ←Changed redirect target from Lollipop (Imfact single album) to Lollipop (single album) current Tag: Redirect target changed 16:03, 24 May 2021 diff hist +89‎  N Talk:Lollipop (Imfact single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Lollipop (Imfact single album) to Talk:Lollipop (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Lollipop current Tag: New redirect 16:03, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Talk:Lollipop (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Lollipop (Imfact single album) to Talk:Lollipop (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Lollipop current 16:03, 24 May 2021 diff hist +84‎  N Lollipop (Imfact single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Lollipop (Imfact single album) to Lollipop (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Lollipop current Tag: New redirect 16:03, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Lollipop (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Lollipop (Imfact single album) to Lollipop (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Lollipop current 16:02, 24 May 2021 diff hist −17‎  m A (disambiguation) ‎ →‎Albums current 16:00, 24 May 2021 diff hist +294‎  Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests ‎ →‎Requests to revert undiscussed moves 15:56, 24 May 2021 diff hist −18‎  m A (disambiguation) ‎ →‎Albums 15:56, 24 May 2021 diff hist +82‎  N Talk:A (Big Bang single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:A (Big Bang single album) to Talk:A (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named A current Tag: New redirect 15:56, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Talk:A (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:A (Big Bang single album) to Talk:A (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named A current 15:56, 24 May 2021 diff hist +77‎  N A (Big Bang single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page A (Big Bang single album) to A (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named A current Tag: New redirect 15:56, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m A (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page A (Big Bang single album) to A (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named A current 15:54, 24 May 2021 diff hist +9‎  Flashback ‎ →‎Music current 15:53, 24 May 2021 diff hist −13‎  Flashback (After School song) ‎ ←Changed redirect target from Flashback (After School single album) to Flashback (single album) current Tag: Redirect target changed 15:52, 24 May 2021 diff hist +90‎  N Talk:Flashback (After School single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Flashback (After School single album) to Talk:Flashback (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Flashback current Tag: New redirect 15:52, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Talk:Flashback (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Flashback (After School single album) to Talk:Flashback (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Flashback current 15:52, 24 May 2021 diff hist +85‎  N Flashback (After School single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Flashback (After School single album) to Flashback (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Flashback current Tag: New redirect 15:52, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Flashback (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Flashback (After School single album) to Flashback (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named Flashback current 15:51, 24 May 2021 diff hist +9‎  m Hush ‎ →‎Albums current 15:49, 24 May 2021 diff hist +271‎  Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests ‎ →‎Uncontroversial technical requests 15:44, 24 May 2021 diff hist −9‎  E (disambiguation) ‎ →‎Music current 15:43, 24 May 2021 diff hist −9‎  E (Big Bang album) ‎ ←Changed redirect target from E (Big Bang single album) to E (single album) current Tag: Redirect target changed 15:41, 24 May 2021 diff hist +82‎  N Talk:E (Big Bang single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:E (Big Bang single album) to Talk:E (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named E current Tag: New redirect 15:41, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Talk:E (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:E (Big Bang single album) to Talk:E (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named E current 15:41, 24 May 2021 diff hist +77‎  N E (Big Bang single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page E (Big Bang single album) to E (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named E current Tag: New redirect 15:41, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m E (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page E (Big Bang single album) to E (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named E current 15:38, 24 May 2021 diff hist +400‎  Talk:R. (album) ‎ →‎Requested move 24 May 2021 current 15:33, 24 May 2021 diff hist +215‎  Talk:0 (album) ‎ →‎Requested move 24 May 2021 15:32, 24 May 2021 diff hist +24‎  m 0 (album) ‎ current 15:28, 24 May 2021 diff hist +63‎  D (disambiguation) ‎ →‎Albums current 15:27, 24 May 2021 diff hist +82‎  N Talk:D (Big Bang single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:D (Big Bang single album) to Talk:D (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named D current Tag: New redirect 15:27, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Talk:D (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:D (Big Bang single album) to Talk:D (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named D current 15:27, 24 May 2021 diff hist +77‎  N D (Big Bang single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page D (Big Bang single album) to D (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named D current Tag: New redirect 15:27, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m D (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page D (Big Bang single album) to D (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB; only single album named D current 15:23, 24 May 2021 diff hist +66‎  Bird (disambiguation) ‎ →‎Albums current 15:22, 24 May 2021 diff hist +92‎  N Talk:Boing Boing (April single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Boing Boing (April single album) to Talk:Boing Boing (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB current Tag: New redirect 15:22, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Talk:Boing Boing (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Talk:Boing Boing (April single album) to Talk:Boing Boing (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB current 15:22, 24 May 2021 diff hist +87‎  N Boing Boing (April single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Boing Boing (April single album) to Boing Boing (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB current Tag: New redirect 15:22, 24 May 2021 diff hist 0‎  m Boing Boing (single album) ‎ 162 etc. moved page Boing Boing (April single album) to Boing Boing (single album): WP:ALBUMDAB current


 * This is a lot of moves.
 * Can you please use WP:RM to remove artist names from articles. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

These are all uncontroversial. WP:ALBUMDAB is clear: a single album is a distinct type, and does not require additional disambiguation. 162 etc. (talk) 16:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I see you are reverting these, can you please explain your justification? 162 etc. (talk) 16:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Considering the nonsense opposes at Talk:Big Bang (2006 single album) I have no opinion on the title. And simply ignore the user above. They are known for gaming the system and chicken out when confronted. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 04:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I reverted them because I believe that they justify RMs. They do not improve WP:CRITERIA for the reader. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that reverting article moves that are explicitly supported by a Wikipedia naming convention is a good idea, and hope that you consider undoing these reverts. 162 etc. (talk) 15:01, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Laverlochère-Angliers
Please note that if you want to propose a merger of Laverlochère and Angliers into Laverlochère-Angliers, the process isn't just "template the pages and walk away" — you also need to post a section to Talk:Laverlochère-Angliers to explain why you're proposing the merger, so that there's something for people to discuss. If you don't do that, then the only thing that will happen is that the templates will eventually be removed from the pages as unactionable due to lack of discussion. Bearcat (talk) 12:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Canadian cities and towns' articles are usually named after the municipal government's name; since these are two small towns which recently merged and are not notable enough for separate articles, the merge seems pretty uncontroversial. I just didn't feel like doing it myself. 162 etc. (talk) 16:08, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Explaining it to me here isn't the point. The process requires there to be a merger proposal posted to the talk page of the target article for discussion, and the merger will simply never happen at all if you don't post a proposal to the talk page of the target article, because that's how the merger process works. If you don't, the only thing that will ever happen is the templates getting removed from the articles without action, because no proposal was posted to the talk page of the target article for anybody to take any action on. Bearcat (talk) 19:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I just moved it. 162 etc. (talk) 21:19, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

"Ricoh Arena"
In future, if you have an issue with one of my edits, please try talking to me about it on my talk page before running to the Sysops boards. Would be appreciated, thanks c87d98b10 02:00, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ricoh Arena was at WP:RM 2 weeks ago and there was no consensus to move. Reverting your article move was the only thing to do in this situation.  Please assume good faith. 162 etc. (talk) 15:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * my reply here covers why the page move was correct by me -- As for assuming good faith, you're going out of your way to have an article with an incorrect title on Wikipedia, doing so in a deceptive way going behind my back to a Sysop board too. No post on the article talk page questioning the move, no post on my talk page questioning the move, just straight to technical boards looking for a Sysop or a rollbacker to revert without even giving me a chance to have a say or defend myself. So yeah, I won't be taking advice on assuming good faith from yourself, when clearly it was not something that you saw fit to assume of me. This will be my final interaction with you regarding the matter. c87d98b10 23:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Moving an article when an RM indicated that there is no community consensus to do so is definitely something that warrants an immediate revert. Please familiarize yourself with WP:RM. 162 etc. (talk) 16:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Joe Hall
Hi 162 etc.

When I do page moves I generally follow WP:Be bold. I think nobody wins if every page move goes through the full discussion process. Occasionally I come across users who have a strong feeling about article names. I am happy happy to go through a discussion in these cases. I guess you are mainly concerned about Joe Hall rather than Robert McIntyre and Roger Cardinal. If that is correct, I suggest either me or you put him up for a move discussion after your "Requests to revert undiscussed moves" have been looked at. As I have been wondering about primary topic definition for people who are known by their nickname rather than their proper name, I am looking forward to the outcome. Inwind (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I thank you for your edits and hope you take no offense by me nominating these reverts. I too will often make bold edits to follow WP:NOPRIMARY.  You are correct that of the three, Joe Hall is the one who has the highest long-term notability.  I will gladly participate in any discussion that arises. 162 etc. (talk) 17:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks as if nobody likes to touch the "Requests to revert undiscussed moves". I suggest to remove all three requests and start a proper move discussion on Joe Hall. Would that be alright with you ? Inwind (talk) 09:04, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

KKR
Please drop your ongoing campaign of piping all KKR links to Kohlberg Kravis Roberts. You obviously believe that KKR should be a disambiguation page, but your attempt to have this applied was unsuccessful, so please respect the consensus and the WP:NOTBROKEN rules. Platneua (talk) 06:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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Merging ITHF and ITHF table hockey
Why? It is against standard practice, in which the articles about governing organizations and kinds of sport are different. And I no see any sense for it. Besides, it is not did in another languages and, consequently, in Wikidata. --Egilus (talk) 17:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My argument is that the sport is not different. There is only one article for Ice hockey, not "NHL ice hockey" and "IIHF ice hockey", for example.  I encourage you to discuss at the article's talk page rather than here so that other editors can contribute as well. 162 etc. (talk) 17:16, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Nur-Sultan, Requested move 8th and 9th October 2021
At Talk:Nur-Sultan you asked what was going on. This is all to do with a requested move at Talk:Allahabad. TrangaBellam was the editor who performed closure on the move. Tecumseh*1301 is an editor who favoured moving the article on Allahabad to another name. In his/her arguments for such a move, Tecumseh*1301 repeatedly said that the position was similar to Astana being moved to Nur-Sultan (which happened on 4 May 2019‎). Having not got the result he/she wanted at Allahabad, Tecumseh*1301 did two things: (1) he/she asked for a move review, and (2) has proposed that the article on Nur-Sultan be moved back to Astana, making much the same arguments for the move as were made to oppose the move from Allahabad to another name. This is where Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point comes in. -- Toddy1 (talk) 20:53, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Joseph Park


A tag has been placed on Joseph Park requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a disambiguation page which either
 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
 * disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
 * is an orphaned redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

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Fixed it for you. 162 etc. (talk) 06:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

List of Epic Meal Time episodes
Hello, 162 etc.,

I de-PROD'd this article because you failed to inform the page creator, who is still an active editor, about this deletion tagging. If you use Twinkle, an editing tool, any time you tag a page for any type of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/TFD/etc.), Twinkle will post these talk page notifications for you once you set up your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator". These notifications are one step of the deletion process that can't be skipped over plus it is just common courtesy, especially with a PROD because it is possible for an editor to address concerns raised in the PROD deletion rationale. If you decide to nominate this page for deletion at AFD, please remember to notify the page creator.

Twinkle will also provide an appropriate edit summary for you. Any time you PROD an article or file, you should state this in the edit summary so that, if the page gets de-PROD'd, other editors can know it has already been PROD'd before. Thank you.
 * That's fine. I still think it's unreferenced and not notable. 162 etc. (talk) 23:30, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Not discussing page move of Bonnie Lee Bakley
I have undone your undiscussed page move of Bonnie Lee Bakley to Killing of Bonnie Lee Bakley on the grounds that WP:BIO1E does not apply, and even if it did, there is a caveat that allows for a separate biography. My full explanation is on the talk page. However, one consequence of a page move like this is that a biography needs to be rewritten as a crime this is going to be controversial if the article is a long standing or full fledged biography that covers the person's life. In this case, the move should have been discussed, first. I distinguish this from similar moves about the same time to articles about Abraham Grünbaum, Milan Pantić and Jennifer Servo because in those articles there is minimal biographical content prior to death. However, in the case of Jennifer Servo I would have recommended discussing that move, too, because a previous notability discussion indicated WP:BIO1E did not apply, although this is not clear from the article. I hope this assist you in deciding how best to approach page moves in the future. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 00:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your contributions. WP:BRD applies to pagemoves as well, and it seems like the process is working as it should. 162 etc. (talk) 00:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * True, that is why I chose to discuss the issue, too. However, you might want to also consider WP:TITLECHANGES in the future, (which I spotted today), this piece of advice indicates changing the title of an article is likely to be a controversial one after an article ceases to be a stub or has been stable for a long time. There are times to Be Bold, though one should also take care when ignoring any rules. In other words: If it ain't broke, don't fix it, neither arbitrarily, nor just to follow a pattern; but do it to improve Wikipedia. Anyway, this little exercise proved useful as it informed me about everything I needed to consider when changing article titles, today, in the Parkinson case. Thank you for your inadvertent help! It proved useful. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 08:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Xudun
Hi, I was wondering why the Xudun, Somalia page hasn't been moved to Xudun yet? I don't believe there are any issues that would prevent this move from happening. Thank you. Subayerboombastic (talk) 03:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears that you've instead proposed a move to Hudun. I'm not a local expert, so neutral on Xudun/Hudun; my comment at WP:RMT was simply that the "Somaliland" tag was superfluous. 162 etc. (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with you that adding Somaliland to the title would be unnecessary. However, it appears both Hudun and Xudun are disambiguation pages so either way it would be required. Either that or one of the disambiguation pages would need to be deleted, which seems more controversial. I believe this is the reason the page was moved in 2012 from Xudun to Xudun, Somalia. Back then the region was under Puntland control and most towns were labeled as such. However now all this areas have been under Somalilands control and other articles have been debated and amended to reflect that. As for the spelling, Hudun is the English spelling and Xudun is the Somali spelling. The vast majority of the cities and towns in the region use the English spelling in the title, so it makes sense to keep that consistent throughout. Subayerboombastic (talk) 21:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Somedifferentstuff (talk) 01:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Ratchet
Just FYI, the RM at Talk:Ratchet (device) has been changed in a way that might affect your comment there. (It certainly did mine.) Station1 (talk) 06:36, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

DEATHS RMs
Hi 162 etc. Thanks for your batch RM at what's now Talk:Killing of Andy Lopez. You intimated that you might continue working through similarly titled articles in future RMs. Would you please ping me if you do so? I think doing so would be permissible per the "Editors who have asked to be kept informed" clause of WP:APPNOTE, but if this slips too close to canvassing for you, a neutral notice at WT:DEATHS would also work. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers 03:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

March 2022
Hello, I noticed that you may have recently made edits to PMA while logged out. Wikipedia's policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow the use of both an account and an IP address by the same person in the same setting and doing so may result in your account being blocked from editing. Additionally, making edits while logged out reveals your IP address, which may allow others to determine your location and identity. If this was not your intention, please remember to log in when editing. Thank you. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC**
 * No sockpuppetry intended. My IP is disclosed on my user page. 162 etc. (talk) 16:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Still I don't think you should be editing while logged out if you have an account. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:LOGOUT doesn't prohibit it. IPs can make productive edits too, please don't just revert everything :) 162 etc. (talk) 16:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 162, I agree with you completely that your editing here is permissible per WP:LOGOUT. If you wanted to go over and above, you might consider noting in the edit summary when you're editing an article as both a registered user and an IP in close succession. Otherwise, you may be unintentionally misleading other editors into thinking your positions have more support than they do. It's unlikely that they'd think to check your user page. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 17:27, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, 162, if you had cited the guidelines you did earlier then I wouldn't have reverted you so much since not only are redlinks usually perfectly fine but pipelinks are as well. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Don't Leave (Simba Tagz song)
A few weeks ago you nominated the song "Don't Leave" for deletion and the discussion has been closed in a disappointing fashion. I have renewed the discussion here: Articles for deletion/Don't Leave (Simba Tagz song) (2nd nomination). ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 18:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * While I agree with you that the article should be deleted, starting a new AfD immediately after the first one has closed is bad etiquette. WP:DRV would be the preferred way to dispute the outcome. 162 etc. (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Speaking of bad etiquette, the closing admin in the first AfD gave no evidence that they did anything beyond count votes. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 23:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You could make that argument at a deletion review, yes. 162 etc. (talk) 00:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Enlighten me
As to how this isn't proper? Boldly redirecting something that's sat unsourced (and is a plot copyvio) for the better part of a decade is precisely in line with WP:BOLD. Are you going to source it? PRAXIDICAE💕 19:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've PROD'd it. It's not a good article, and it should probably go, but the pseudo-merge ahead of your RM didn't really seem above-board to me. 162 etc. (talk) 19:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not the point, labeling perfectly fine edits as improper when an editor has chosen to redirect instead of going the overly-bureaucratic route isn't actually improper. No one said anything about an RM. Redirects are perfectly fine per WP:BOLD and there was nothing sourced or neutral to merge anywhere and I had no intention of starting an RM, so I haven't got a single clue what you're talking about as there is no move involved. Where exactly did you get the idea that I was starting an RM, especially considering I can't recall ever once even starting an RM? Oh and lastly, deleting it is useless when the second book is notable so it stands to reason that a redirect would be perfectly useful. PRAXIDICAE💕  19:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah my bad, the RM was actually somebody else. Anyway, reverts are a part of WP:BRD, and it seems like the process is working as it should. 162 etc. (talk) 20:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not really when you force an overly burecractic process toward deletion that shouldn't be deleted but kept as a useful redirect. PRAXIDICAE💕  20:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Blocks preventing my proofs per WP:GNG & WP:V
None of the info there is fan-based as you claim. I suggest you take this to the admins and get consensus on how to mend those "rules" as is preventing me from demonstrating a perceived "fansite" article here on WP. I felt that the text in the "Overly detailed" template (as you feel that it's a bad etiquette from me.) meant that the section is for promotion. for the sources, they are there. But as I'm under series upon series of I.P. address blocks by the bot for that, you may/will think otherwise. I've complained to others on similar instances and grounds and they've understood. It ain't your fault or mine that per WP:GNG, you should see non-"fansite" info without proof per WP:v. I see that you've brought it back, so I'll work on them and remove it again later. I thought WP is more than just education and "all-seriousness". Intrisit (talk) 17:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This is a reply to this talk page comment 162 etc. (talk) 18:32, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted
Hi 162 etc., I just wanted to let you know that I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&page=User%3A162_etc. added] the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Autopatrolled. However, you should consider adding relevant wikiproject talk-page templates, stub-tags and categories to new articles that you create if you aren't already in the habit of doing so, since your articles will no longer be systematically checked by other editors (User:Evad37/rater and User:SD0001/StubSorter.js are useful scripts which can help). Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing!  Arbitrarily0  ( talk ) 07:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Archiving notice
Hey! During your moving of Talk:The Saint (Asbury Park, New Jersey), you forgot to update the archive location. All you need to do is adjust the  parameter in the   template to the new page name. Don't worry, I've fixed this for you. Just keep this in mind if you move a page in the future. Thanks! Aidan9382 (talk) 17:14, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Only Death Is Real (album)
Are you going to start a discussion about Only Death Is Real, which has multiple reviews? Please ping me when you respond. Jax 0677 (talk) 23:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for improving the article with references. I'm still not sure if it meets WP:NALBUM, but I don't have strong feelings about it either way. 162 etc. (talk) 16:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Reply - In that case, I am going to remove the merge tag, unless someone wants to start some type of discussion. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Wild Card frustrations
Howdy. You're likely going to find (for reasons I can't explain) that editors are unwilling or unable to come to an agreement, concerning nearly anything to do with the Major League Baseball Wild Card & Major League Baseball Wild Card Game pages. GoodDay (talk) 22:04, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Second PROD
Please read Talk:Slow Dance (poem) and I suggest reply there, but it can be here if you prefer. Andrewa (talk) 12:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Queens Plate
A contested technical move request on which you commented is now at Talk:Queens Plate. - Station1 (talk) 17:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Roland (Japanese host) moved to Roland (entertainer)
Hello, and thank you for trying to help with the article. I'm not sure if 'entertainer' is the best description for this individual - he is at least as active as a businessperson as he is in any form of entertainment. I had added the host tag, as he is mainly known as such specifically. Could you help think of a more accurate description? Thanks, Londonbeat41692 (talk) 00:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for reaching out. It's impossible to summarize somebody's entire life in one word - yet that's what we have to do when picking disambiguation tags :)
 * I moved the article because "Japanese host" is overly detailed (there is no Roland (host) article) and "entertainer" is a standard form recommended by WP:SINGERDAB. Of course, he is also involved in business, but I wouldn't say that "businessman" is more accurate.
 * For example, Drake (musician) is also a successful businessman (OVO Sound) and worked as an actor (Degrassi: The Next Generation), but he is best known as a musician, so we narrow it down to that. 162 etc. (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

"Gold (radio network)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Nomination of Lamberghini for deletion
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Deprodding of Calcium Lime Rust
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Speedy deletion nomination of Bing Bong
Hello 162 etc.,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Bing Bong for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+ contest this deletion], but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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Josey Wales Parley 20:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Reverted good-faith edit; the page had been vandalized. Bing Bong is a useful redirect to the dabpage at Bing-bong. 162 etc. (talk) 20:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

NERO (video game)
Hello, 162 etc,

If you expect to do more Proposed deletion tagging, a couple of things to put in mind. First, like making a nomination at AFD, you need to provide a deletion rationale for why this article or file should be deleted. Just writing " WP:N " isn't sufficient. Write at least one complete sentence to justify why this article merits deletion, just posting a code to a policy guidelines is not an explanation. Speedy deletion allows you to tag pages for deletion with just a reference to a criteria for speedy deletion but PRODs and AFDs require editors to make an argument why a page should be deleted. It doesn't need to be long, but it has to be more than WP:N.

Second, you need to leave a descriptive edit summaries. PRODs can be de-PRODed. If, years later, another editor decides to PROD the article again, they need to be able to see that it has already been PROD'd once and the way they can see this is by looking at the edit summaries in the page history. This is made more difficult if you don't leave any edit summary at all! So, just write, "Proposing article for PROD" or even just "PROD" in your edit summary when you tag a page for Proposed deletion.

Finally, these processes are made easier if you start using Twinkle to tag pages for deletion or to tag them for other reasons. Twinkle is an editing tool most page patrollers and a lot of administrators use. For example, once you set up your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator", then Twinkle will post a deletion notice on the page creator's talk page for you. It will also leave a descriptive edit summary so you don't need to type one out. It remembers all of the codes and templates so you don't have to searching for the right one to use. It will maintain deletion logs for you. You can report vandals to noticeboards using Twinkle. It is very handy and I encourage you to try it out if you aren't already using it.

Just a few comments. Thank you for all of the work you are doing on the project! Liz Read! Talk! 20:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


 * P.S. If you want to see some example of typical PROD deletion rationales offered by other editors, look over the list of upcoming Proposed deletions at User:DumbBOT/ProdSummary and you can see what I'm referring to. Some of these examples are better than others but you can see that the typical deletion rationale is at least a sentence. Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 20:52, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

WWE Day 1 (2022)
Hello 162 etc. I declined the technical move that you proposed. Though I admit that the original actor, User:Zk911912, should have sought consensus, anything that I can do now risks making a mess. Also, in your report you stated that someone had done merges. I couldn't see any merges. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:03, 26 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The mess has been made, I'm afraid; all three of these were separate articles, and were (somewhat messily) merged into what is currently WWE Day 1 (2022). With all due respect to your good-faith attempt to resolve this, I've re-added the request to WP:RMT. 162 etc. (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Luke Menzies
Hi. There is a move request in Talk:Luke Menzies. Can you give your opinion? Thanks. Margarte00 (talk) 16:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the ping. I have to say that I'm not familiar enough with rugby (where Menzies first established his notability) to say for certain that his ring name is more recognizable than his birth name. 162 etc. (talk) 18:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Weezy (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Weezy (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a disambiguation page which either
 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
 * disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
 * is an orphaned redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Please see the disambiguation page guidelines for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Super League (virtual sports)
Hello, 162 etc.,

When you tag an article for a Proposed Deletion, please write a more substantial deletion rationale than just WP:N. By that I mean, write at least one full sentence that shows you actually examined the sources or looked for additional sources to improve the article. I have de-PROD'd articles with similarly overly brief deletion rationales but this one did seem to lack notability. But please do this in the future if you wish your PROD deletion nominations to be taken seriously and not de-PROD'd. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved, as you did to Andover railway station, without good reason. They should have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. Wikipedia has some guidelines in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. I have added this to the requested moves page, so this will be reverted soon. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 06:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Andover railway station
Hi, the link to this staion on the Southampton railways template is not ambiguous, mit doesn't require the suffix |England. Regards Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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Canvassing
It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice at Talk:Anthony Jennings to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Jennings (American football). While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. 4meter4 (talk) 19:42, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Thank you for striking the comment, but leaving the text where it is still visible and readable did not solve the problem of a non-neutral notification. It needed to be removed completely to follow policy at WP:CANVASSING. I therefore redacted your non-neutral comment entirely from the page, and left the neutral part of the notice. This is what should have done by you earlier. In the future, if a similar situation crops up you can not make any sort of evaluation or provide any sort of opinion on the discussion or its consensus when placing a notice. That is canvassing. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:28, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I see you reverted it. Do I really need to take this to WP:ANI? I really don't want to, but I will if I must.4meter4 (talk) 17:30, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You can't delete somebody else's comment. Take it to WP:ANI if you like. 162 etc. (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I thought I was being helpful in moving it to a resolution, but clearly we are not there. I am just going to just let this go, rather than needlessly create drama for you at ANI. We both have better ways to spend our day. However, I think you are being unreasonable, unfair, rude, and breaking the spirit of our policies. I strongly urge you to redact the conversation entirely, because it is the right thing to do. It really shouldn't be a big deal to leave a brief neutral notice without commenting on the AFD discussion. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:36, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand your point of view, but disagree with it. I think we are both acting in good faith here. Thank you for your continued contributions to the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 17:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Dab pages
You have claimed MOS:DABORDER states "Blue links should be at the top", but nowhere does it state this (please quote what you mean), and the entry on IIII being for Roman numerals also has a blue article to link to. You have been the only Wikipedia editor to claim an album is the primary topic for a Roman numeral. IIII redirected there for years without any issue—that makes it the primary topic. If you cannot handle the primary entry on IIII being for where the page redirected for years, I will revert your converting of the article to being a dab page and it can be put to a discussion whether it should even be a dab page or not. The fact you think an album takes precedence over how many centuries of IV being written as IIII is honestly ridiculous. The fact that the two or three other moves you requested the other day (that I performed) were reverted because there was already a move discussion months ago that you'd seemingly ignored should tell you your opinions on disambiguation clearly don't match other editors' and I think you need to reconsider what you request.  Ss  112   23:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree and would support restoring the original redirect. That's not something that should be changed w/o discussion and consensus. I'm fine with a DAB existing. But IIII for the vast majority of people, is going to be a classical Roman Numeral and that's where it should point to. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:16, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * See Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages; DABMENTION comes last. I'll leave the revert in for now, until the RM plays out.  Discussion relating to "IIII" should be at Talk:IIII (album), not my talk page. 162 etc. (talk) 17:48, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

"Bold merges"
Hi 162 etc. Following the blank and redirect at Underwater ice hockey and the ensuing discussion at the talk page and reversion, I feel that for due diligence I must ask whether you have done other blank and redirects described in edit summaries as bold merges, without an actual merge, and if so, whether you can justify them in terms of policy or community accepted guidance. Please ping with reply. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 01:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * See here 162 etc. (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I am familiar with the Special:Contributions page. I was hoping for a more cooperative response, which could have had this issue sorted out without wasting too much time, but you are not obliged to do that. I see from a search of your last 500 contributions that this was not an isolated incident.
 * Do you understand why "Bold merge" is not an acceptable edit summary for a "blank and redirect" edit, in which you do not merge any of the content into the target article, and there was in at least one case not even any mention of the redirected term in the target article? Please ping with reply. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 18:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not really interested in discussing this further. If any of my edits are in violation of Wikipedia policy, please be bold and revert. 162 etc. (talk) 19:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * When your edits are in violation of Wikipedia policy, and it is pointed out to you, you are required to stop violating that policy, My questions were intended to help find out whether you are competent to follow Wikipedia policy, and whether you can be trusted to follow Wikipedia policy. I remain unconvinced on both of these points. I hereby warn you that if you continue to make intentionally misleading edit summaries it will be considered disruptive editing, and may lead to sanctions. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 20:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Maël
Hello, would you please take a look a the newly put move at Talk:Maël. Thanks, 121.127.212.32 (talk) 13:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

OEG Inc.
, Thank you so much for your recent contributions related to OEG Inc. and their retail cannabis work. While the page move is under discussion, I was wondering if you might consider improving the existing Oilers Entertainment Group article by introducing subsections within the Operations section? Something like Sports and Entertainment for all the sports teams, Rogers Place, and film content, and Retail Cannabis for the content you just added. Again, I appreciate the work you've already done and would value your help to make additional improvements to the page. Thank you DJ for Katz (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move closed
Re Kevin Long (footballer), I agree that the hatnote up there needs to be reworded or removed. I instantly think there is no primary Kevin Long on there anyway. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I've removed it. 162 etc. (talk) 23:14, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Your requests at WP:RM/TR
Hi @162 etc.! Thank you for your contributions. This is just a friendly reminder message to add Uncontroversial technical requests on WP:RM/T at the bottom, below other requests rather than at the top. Thanks.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   07:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Since when? 162 etc. (talk) 07:24, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it's enforced anywhere. It's just a gentle Wiki etiquette to post new things at the bottom, like in talk pages, discussions etc. You don't have to follow this, but I just thought I'd let you know my thoughts. Best.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   07:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * For years, the instructions at WP:RM/TR said to put new requests at the top of the list. They were only changed a week ago to put new requests at the bottom. Station1 (talk) 10:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. Must've missed that. Thanks.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   10:46, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see there have been some format changes at WP:RMT lately that I'm not sure actually improve anything. For the record, the text box's instructions still read "enter on a new line, directly below" ie. at the top. 162 etc. (talk) 17:34, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * For the record, that was discussed here. <span style="background:#36c;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">Silikonz <span style="background:#eaecf0;padding:2px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">💬 22:12, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

FLO source
Oh hello, I didn't understand why your removal in the FLO article. I consulted the information in a dictionary and on Wiktionary himself, and I don't think it needs a "source" because it's only three letters. Silencedoc (talk) 04:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Per WP:CITE: "Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, anywhere in article space." I'll also add that the pronunciation of "Flo" is intuitive and doesn't need further explanation. 162 etc. (talk) 04:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

There's no probability of contestation, because it's about pronunciation of every letter, just visit a dictionary. I added both pronunciations because there's quite doubt which is the right one. But ok :^ Silencedoc (talk) 04:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Merging
Thanks for creating the RM. The discussion got too lengthy, so: could you please clarify if you're planning to add content into the author's article from your merged redirects? The current blank-and-redirect do not assist navigation at all, as they point to the author's article w/o any context. <span style="background:#36c;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">Silikonz <span style="background:#eaecf0;padding:2px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">💬 22:14, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Perhaps redirecting to Joyce Carol Oates bibliography is better? 162 etc. (talk) 22:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It would be a bit better, but unless that list is to be expanded with info from the 'merged' articles, the navbox of her works serves no purpose. <span style="background:#36c;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">Silikonz <span style="background:#eaecf0;padding:2px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">💬 22:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the navbox can be updated; usually these only include links to articles, not redirects or redlinks. 162 etc. (talk) 22:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

About your move
a kindly remind, it seems you are making wrong moves on several pages. Gweilo60 (talk) 15:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Page mover
Hi 162 etc.! Thanks for your high-quality contributions to requested moves and RMTR. You might want to consider requesting page mover permissions, so that you can avoid RMTR in the future and implement actions yourself; you're certainly qualified enough. Best wishes, EpicPupper (talk) 23:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

22 March 2023
Thank you for your comments, which you added in discussion at Sugar Mama. Please note that, on Wikipedia, consensus is determined by discussion, not voting, and it is the quality of the arguments that counts, not the number of people supporting a position. If your comments concerned a deletion discussion, please consider reading Wikipedia's deletion policy for a brief overview of the deletion process. We hope that you decide to stay and contribute even more. Please refrain from preempting a RM discussion while it is still ongoing. Do not edit the page in a manor which aligns with a presumed outcome of the discussion before the discussion has been closed. &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 17:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I didn't participate in any discussion at Sugar Mama. I did however revert edits that you made to the dabpage which are contrary to Wikipedia guidelines.  I'll also note that my edits were made before your RM discussion was opened, not after.  We'll let the discussion play out (the requested move proposal, as of this writing, seems to be widely opposed) but I intend on restoring the edits.  You can familiarize yourself by referring to the guideline at WP:DAB.  Thank you for your continued contributions to the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 17:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Archiving
Hello! I just wanted to request that you archive your user talk page. While it may not be bothersome to you, many editors have slow connections, and having a very large talk page can hamper communication. If you need help, just check out the guide over at Help:Archiving a talk page. Thanks! – Material  Works   (contribs)  19:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Cazale and Casale
Hello! :) Thanks so much for putting up the not to be confused message on the Cazale article. I am, however, struggling to find sources which suggest that those are two separate cities. I thought that it's just the same city and different spellings... do you know of any sources I could cite to help clear up this confusion? Thanks so much!! :) KluskaSlaska (talk) 20:40, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not an expert, I'm afraid - I was just gnoming some Haiti placename article titles when I did this.  From what I can see, you may be correct that Cazale is a WP:CFORK. 162 etc. (talk) 21:29, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the reply :) will look into it a little more when I got a bit more time. If it is a CFORK, I'll need to figure out what appropriate next steps are :) (I'm still a little new here!) KluskaSlaska (talk) 06:43, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've researched this a bit more, and per reliable sources (notably this), I'm convinced they're the same. The articles have been merged. 162 etc. (talk) 16:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Amazing!! Thanks so much for looking into this and for completing the merge, much appreciated :) KluskaSlaska (talk) 17:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion on Talk:Bugatti
I just started a move discussion directly related to a previous one which you participated in. Would you be interested in joining? Marisauna (talk) 21:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

May 2023
Hi @162 etc. it's me, is it allowed to use Requested/Technical requests to exchange articles? recently a user deleted my articles to replace them with his. This has happened a few times...  ? Silence  doc ¿   06:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Not sure if I can help here, but I'll need you to be more specific. Which articles are we looking at? 162 etc. (talk) 15:38, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It's actually a question. If this is common and also how to prevent it from happening, if there is such a possibility.  A more recent deleted article was Alone, when accessing the log you will notice that I created it first.  ? Silence   doc ¿   020:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't own an article. See WP:OWNERSHIP.  If there are two articles for the same topic, they will be merged.  See WP:CFORK. 162 etc. (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I don't own any articles, just a new wikipedia editor who likes to take questions with other experienced editors. I find it strange to delete an article instead of editing it. Understood.  ? Silence  doc ¿   21:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your continued contributions to the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 15:49, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

PRODs
Hello, 162 etc.,

Please use Twinkle when you are tagging pages for any kind of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/CFD/etc.). I'm looking at some articles you PROD'd and there are two problems: a) there is no edit summary explaining that you are tagging the article for a Proposed Deletion and b) you didn't post a notification on the talk page for the article creator. The latter is an important step in all deletion processes. I'm sure that if you worked on creating and developing an article, that you would want to know if the article was headed towards deletion. This is especially important with PRODs because any editor can address the issues brought up in the deletion rationale and remove the PROD tag.

Twinkle does so many things, you can use it to tag an article regarding problems, report vandals to noticeboards, welcome an editor, add a warning notice to a problematic editor, set up an AFD discussion, it basically remembers all of the templates you might need so that you don't have to. I think if you try it out, like most page patrollers and many admins, you won't know how you edited the project without it. But please set your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator" and then when you tag an article for deletion, Twinkle will post a notice on the talk page of the page creator on your behalf.

It would also help if you provide a fuller reason for deleting an article than just "WP:N", maybe a few sentences explaining why you believe an article should be deleted. Thank you for considering this request. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Stephen King
All novels written under the pseudonym Richard Bachman were written by Stephen King. Please explain why you have repeatedly removed Category:Novels by Stephen King from articles about Stephen King novels with no discussion. Sundayclose (talk) 12:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for your contributions. User:Jeremyeyork has on two occasions added Category:Novels by Stephen King to articles on books authored under the Bachman pseudonym, which I've reverted back to the stable version.  These works are already categorized under Category:Novels by Richard Bachman, a subcategory of Category:Novels by Stephen King, and therefore the addition of the latter category is redundant. 162 etc. (talk) 17:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. Note that an edit summary would avoid confusion and (I hope) let the other editor know why you are reverting. Sundayclose (talk) 18:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hatnotes
I suggest that when you rename an article to a WP:PDAB title, you should make sure the article has a hatnote to address the resulting ambiguity, like the one I just added to Scarlet (song). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Good catch. Thank you for your continued contributions to the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

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Redwood Tree
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Page mover
I see this was suggested above, but to put a finer point on it: would you object if I gave you the page mover right? Clearly you know what you're doing, so reducing the number of RM/TR requests you have to make would be in everyone's best interest, I think. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:19, 26 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure. 162 etc. (talk) 00:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. You may want to review Page mover and/or Template:Page mover granted for more information about the right, although I'm sure you're already familiar with most of it. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:32, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Guidehouse article update
Hi 162 etc., this is Danny from Guidehouse. You had mentioned a while back that you had no objections to the edits I had proposed and Arbitrarily0 also approved them. Since I am a COI editor, I cannot do this myself nor would I feel comfortable doing so even with the go-ahead of a volunteer editor. Would you be willing to make the changes on my behalf? Thanks! DS from Guidehouse (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure. Post an updated draft to your sandbox and I'll move it to mainspace.  Thank you for your commitment to following COI policies, and your work to improve the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 16:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I have uploaded the draft here, and updated it with the recent addition about Bain Capital. Really appreciate your assistance. DS from Guidehouse (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Redir stripping and move
Hi,

I see that you twice moved the dab Like the Wind (song) from pointing a more specific target to pointing to a disambiguation page (a "dab"). You also completely deleted both the entire redirect shell, and the two categorisations. I hope all this was due to misunderstanding.

In general, we avoid redirs to dabs, when there are more specific targets. As you can see, the dab you twice choose as target, Like the Wind, does contain a reference to the song as one of its entries, by referring to the article Belgium in the Eurovision Song Contest 1999. In such situations, we usually let the redir point to the more precise target, not the dab. (Actually, redirecting to a dab is deprecated, as is by the software; you can read the warnings that the software added to your edit comments for both your edits in the history.)

As you perhaps knows, we also have a bunch of specific templates used for redirs. You find them in the Category:Redirect templates and its subcategories. In general, a redir should contain at least one of these templates; often several. If there are more than one, a template shell should be used. For some reason (quite possibly by a simple oversight), you completely removed the whole shell, with its four specific redir attributes, when you changed the target. You can compare the information on the original version with the way you left it.

Finally, one of the attributes you removed was the Template:R with possibilities. At some time in the future, hopefully, someone with enough knowledge, interest, and time, will restore the article, but as a full article rather than a stub. Until then, at least, it should be possible to find the scant information we now provide about the subject by means of the relevant categories. (And, yes, categorising redirs with potentials very often is a good idea.)

Since I guess most of the trouble was due just to some oversights, I shall revert your last edit. If you disagree, you may change the target again - but, please, if you do, think over any further changes you want to make; do not remove content you have not decided ought to be removed! JoergenB (talk) 04:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Like the Wind (song) was listed as an ambiguous redirect at WP:PDAB, which is why I retargeted it. I'll instead move to Like the Wind (Vanessa Chinitor song), in order to keep the categorizations. 162 etc. (talk) 04:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a much better solution! However, you might also consider some broken links, which I fear will be changed to the wrong target if you leave it to a robot; and the Wikidata item, which takes care of the links to other language versions (and more; but this time I fixed that item, Q3271724). JoergenB (talk) 05:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Likewise, the link from the file listed here now is wrong. (In general, if you move a page and leaves a link from the old name to the new one, most pages will still link to the intended; sometimes by a double redir, but a bot may take care of that eventually.  However, if you do not leave any link at all from the old name, or, as in your case, immediately changes the target from the old name page, then things can get a bit confused.  Thus, checking the "What links here" option may be a good idea.) JoergenB (talk) 05:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Instagram (Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike, David Guetta, Daddy Yankee, Afro Bros, and Natti Natasha song)
Hello, In late November, I moved the article Instagram (Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike, David Guetta, Daddy Yankee, Afro Bros, and Natti Natasha song) to Instagram (2019 song), but was reverted by you. I knew the guideline WP:SONGDAB existed, but I decided to WP:IAR since the original disambiguator is impractically long. "2019 song" provides the same about of clarity while being drastically shorter. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  10:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * You could make that argument at an RM. While the naming convention in this case results in a longer title, I believe it should be followed. 162 etc. (talk) 18:24, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Revert to use of redirect on a DAB page
I was notified of this revert. I think it is contrary to MOS:DABPIPE: "Apart from the exceptions listed below, piping and redirects should generally not be used on disambiguation pages." See also its examples for "Switch" and "Ten", which do not start the list entry with the link. Also please note WP:DABSTYLE's efn statement saying "Communicating the actual titles of entries at variance with the base title one might expect—were the entries not ambiguous with each other—is integral to the purpose of a DAB page." In this case, the redirect is covering up the fact that the linked article is on a different (broader scope) subject. This is all moot if toy boy (slang) is agreed to be the primary topic for the term (see the RM at Talk:Toy boy), but in that case the opening sentence of the DAB page would be phrased differently. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:48, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Reading a bit further down in the MOS section you referenced here, you'll notice the example with Eon (geology) which illustrates a usage which I think also applies in the case of Toy boy (slang). It's not a super big deal though, and as you say, there is a good chance that the slang term is the primary topic anyway and this is moot.  Thank you for your continued contributions to the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 23:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that Eon example looks very similar! It looks like you were right. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Page moves
Hello, 162 etc.,

I see you moving articles from page titles in all caps to regular capitalization. However, when I checked all of the articles, the companies are named in all caps. Shouldn't we go by what the sources say and not strictly MOS? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 06:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * MOS:ALLCAPS is pretty clear on this: "Reduce names of companies or other trademarks from all caps to sentence case, unless they are acronyms or initialisms, even if the company normally writes them in all caps." Exceptions are exceedingly rare. If you believe any of my edits are improper, you are of course encouraged to revert and/or start a discussion on the relevant talk page. 162 etc. (talk) 06:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Any cleanup required?
I have performed the move as requested here. I’m informing you because it strikes me like some cleanups needs to be done. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 16:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)￼


 * What kind of cleanup? Looks fine to me. 162 etc. (talk) 01:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Save the Kids token
I appreciate you moving this back, I should not have acted so unilaterally. Due to the fact that there was only one vote in that RM, I might start a new one at some point, but I appreciate you defending the status quo. Thank you for being forthcoming with me about why that move was problematic. JeffSpaceman (talk) 04:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Confusion
Hi. I wanted to apologize for and clarify about this edit. I was looking for the article about the 2008 Chinese milk scandal, and typed "Milk scandal", and in the search suggestions appeared "Mink scandal" which does redirect to the article about the Danish mink cull, but I didn't notice that the word in the redirect and the article was "mink" and not "milk" and didn't pay attention to it. Thanks for reverting my edit. Kind regards.--SRuizR  22:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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Help?
Hi again,

could I trouble you to take a look at this situation?


 * Odisea (album)
 * Odisea
 * Odisseia

I daresay the mildly notable album makes a better primary than the current one, but I dunno what, if anything, should be done with the other two. They're about the same thing, give or take, are stubs, more or less, and are unsourced. They do have hundreds of incoming links, which based on a couple of spot checks is mostly because they appear in various TV-channel navboxes.

Definitely out of my comfort zone, heh. - (the Heart Break IP) 89.183.221.75 (talk) 20:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Odisea is now a disambiguation page. Odisseia appears to be a WP:CFORK; I'm not an expert on this topic, so I've started a merge discussion.  If you want Odisea (album) to be the primary topic, that requires a discussion; see WP:RM. 162 etc. (talk) 21:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Not at all, having a dab as the primary is my general preference as well. Thanks so much for taking this off my hands! :) - 89.183.221.75 (talk) 12:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Michael Venom Page
Hello,

Please do not undo productive edits as you did on Michael Page, MVP is a British fighter and the date formats were painstakingly changed to reflect that. Without looking into it, you then carelessly undid them all.

Please take care to not do that again.

Kind regards,

2A00:23C5:8104:2401:C431:FE46:B2DC:BC28 (talk) 21:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (films) § Proposed allowance of PDABs for films
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (films) § Proposed allowance of PDABs for films. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 03:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Bed Bath & Beyond (online retailer)
Hello, 162 etc.,

You seem to be the only editor who insists that this be the page title for this article. Several different editors have changed it to its legal name but you keep moving it back. You cite a RM discussion but all I can find is Talk:Bed Bath & Beyond which closed as No Consensus. Is there another RM discussion that supports your action? Because I don't see it and you have multiple editors who disagree with you on the page title. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Per WP:PCM, "A move is potentially controversial if (...) there has been any past debate about the best title for the page". Therefore, any article that has prior RM history should not be bold moved; an RM is needed. 162 etc. (talk) 22:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

List of Canadian flags
A split tag is not allowed to just sit on an article for three years without being resolved, especially when one of the key reasons it's never been resolved is that nobody ever initiated any discussion about it in the first place — meaning that nothing ever happened precisely because there was no discussion for anybody to act on, and nothing is ever going to happen given that editors don't revisit old outdated tags like that.

It's not a tag that people can just slap on a page and walk away from and leave there forever. It's a tag that requires discussion, and it's a tag that requires resolution within a defined period of time and cannot just sit there for years.

So if you really "support" a split, then you need to do two things: actually initiate the required discussion on the talk page so that there's something for people to discuss, and change the date on the template to May 2024 so that it's current. But nobody ever initiated any discussion, so the tag cannot just stay on the article forever if nobody's ever discussed it. Bearcat (talk) 03:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Sounds familiar. 162 etc. (talk) 04:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I've split the article. 162 etc. (talk) 04:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

FIX THE CLIPPERS LOGO
Bring the: There once was a ship that went to sea and the name of that ship was billy-o-tea clippers logo.

You drive me nuts. GoDolphins 71.121.184.15 (talk) 23:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Fender amp reverts
I think you went just a little overboard with redirecting Fender amps. Some of those might be combined (ie: reverb and non-reverb units) but most of those have been around long enough that printed press has covered them enough to pass WP:N. Redirect the Princeton? That is just one example but an obvious one. I've reverted most of them back. I'm not against trimming it up a bit, but if there has been decent coverage, the topic is better covered with separate articles rather than trying to merge them into a giant article, as they all have a long and detailed history. They need more sources, granted, but if you know amps, you know they exist, even if in libraries rather than online. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 07:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for your contributions. "Decent coverage" is indeed a core Wikipedia criterion - as WP:N says, "if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article."  These amplifier articles, while in some cases well-written, did not appear to have sufficient secondary source coverage.  At the very least, they should be  tagged, with the unreferenced content within deleted, per WP:PROVEIT.  Note that some articles in this category, such as Fender Deluxe, were left as-is, since they seemed to have some evidence of reliable source coverage.
 * "Reliable" is also something I should touch on here. Not all sources are good ones; see WP:SOURCES. Blogs, etc. are not a source we should be basing an encyclopedia around.  You mention that "printed press has covered them"; if that is the case, please be WP:BOLD and add relevant citations to the article. 162 etc. (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Maybe WP:V would be a good read. Verify doesn't require that everything is fully sourced, only that it is reasonable that it can be, which is the case here for most of those.  WP:No deadline might also be worth a read.  We don't redirect articles that actually have a good chance to be fleshed out and sourced better, we improve them.  I'm not sure how familiar you are with these topics (suffice it to say, I'm quite competent with this subject), but changing all these to redirects was sloppy and not supported in policy when they can be sourced.  Nothing personal, but I've been here since 2006 with extensive contributions.  I really don't need someone quoting me the most basic policies, particularly when they are reading them wrong.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 00:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:VERIFY states that "All material in Wikipedia mainspace (...) must be verifiable (...) any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material." Your assertion that "Verify doesn't require that everything is fully sourced" appears to me quite the opposite of what the policy actually says.
 * The articles in question have either no sources, or contain an unacceptable amount of unverifiable information, the removal of which would reduce the article itself to stub status. Note that per WP:NODEADLINE, "we can afford (...) to wait before creating a new article until its significance is unambiguously established."
 * So, in a nutshell, either it's properly sourced, or it has to go. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Thank you for your continued contributions to the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 01:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

"Stressed out" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stressed_out&redirect=no Stressed out] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Bowman Field
Can you fix the talk page? It's a redirect. I'm not sure which page should have moved there, but apparently it didn't get moved. -- Pemilligan (talk) 01:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- Pemilligan (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thoroughfare
Hi 162 etc., You should have checked some dictionaries before reverting my good faith edit, A throughway is "n.amer. (also esp. US thruway) an expressway" (The Canadian Oxford Dictinary (1998). Chambers (13th edition) has a similar entry but uses the word "motorway". However, on searching further, I found that the full online Oxford English Dictionary also gives, "A passage or way through; esp. a road or path forming a route between two places; a thoroughfare." Sorry if I offended, but as I noted earlier I didn't recognize the word "throughway". So, are you using British usage for this newly created article? Please fix. PS I was overly belligerent, for which I apologize, but I felt that there had been poor communication and confusion in the ongoing discussion. I have never been reverted so often, though I'm banned for life by Conservapedia. Rwood128 (talk) 11:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Article titles are determined by consensus, not dictionaries. In this case, that's Right of way (public throughway), per the recent RM discussion.  Potentially controversial moves must be discussed.  See WP:PTM, WP:RM.  Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 14:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

On Rallying
The discussion there is heading towards being unhelpful for others.


 * WP:RETAIN: "With few exceptions (e.g., when a topic has strong national ties or the change reduces ambiguity), there is no valid reason for changing from one acceptable option to another."
 * WP:COMMONNAME: Rally racing is not the common name for all rallying, anywhere in the world. Only a portion of the sport - see Rallying (in a portion of the world). It's Athletics vs Running.
 * WP:ENGVAR: Following the above point, this does not apply because we're not talking elevator vs door, we're talking elevator vs elevator button.

It looks like Rally racing moved to Rallying as the scope expanded. It happened 20 years ago. To me it isn't justified but maybe a split would be a better proposal? However as rallying would remain (somewhere), the notability of, the available sources for, and desire to create Rally racing would be pretty weak I imagine. Rally Wonk (talk) 19:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have no opinion when it comes to a split of the article. I've already expressed my view concerning the title of the current article at Talk:Rallying.  Discussion is necessary to form a consensus; I don't see why you believe that it is unhelpful.  Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to explain my position which isn't being challenged. Your suggestion is as helpful as suggesting the article should move to Cheese. I'm trying to understand your position.
 * Apologies. Rally Wonk (talk) 21:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * >"Your suggestion is as helpful as suggesting the article should move to Cheese."
 * Such an insolent statement certainly should be apologized for. See WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF.
 * I'm unsure why you've decided to bring this to my talk page, rather than Talk:Rallying, which is where the discussion is taking place. 162 etc. (talk) 21:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have been civil at all times. I am trying to have a constructive conversation with you as you're not showing an understanding of anything I am typing, nor a will to engage in constructive conversation about a topic which is important to me. Your replies are always on the offence, and once again you have replied with a link to policies rather than anything constructive.
 * I came to your page because nobody else is struggling with this at Talk:Rallying. I shall now abandon this friendly gesture because I cannot distinguish if you are trolling.
 * Best wishes. Rally Wonk (talk) 22:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft under the redirect
It is permissible, and has always been permissible to draft the proposed new content under the redirect while the discussion is ongoing.

It literally says in the RfD template: "Don't add anything after this line unless you're drafting a disambiguation page or article to replace the redirect".

I will give you the opportunity to restore this yourself. BD2412 T 01:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * TIL. Thanks! 162 etc. (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We learn by doing. Cheers! BD2412  T 01:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk page redirect
I noticed that you have put the article "From the Start" talk page to a redirect of it's disambiguation talk page. May I know why you did this?

Best Regards, KjjjKjjj (talk) 13:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, seems like the talk page was missed when moving the article to main title. Now fixed.  Thanks! 162 etc. (talk) 15:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)