Talk:Mixed martial arts

Recent study on cumulative lesser blows and brain safety.
Study of Fighters Shows Brain Changes Are Seen Before Symptoms, New York Times, TIMOTHY PRATT, April 24, 2012.

“ .  .  The physical changes, detected by M.R.I. scans, are a reduction in size in the hippocampus and thalamus of the brains of fighters with more than six years in the ring. These parts of the brain deal with such functions as memory and alertness. While those who had fought for more than six years did not exhibit any declines in cognitive function, fighters with more than 12 years in the ring did. Thus, Dr. Bernick’s group concluded, the lag between detectability and physical symptoms probably occurs sometime during those six years. . ”

“ .  .  Like many doctors who study athletes’ brain injuries, Dr. Bernick has concluded that much of the research has focused too narrowly on infrequent, hard blows to the head rather than more constant lesser blows. . ”

“ .  .  Dr. Bernick’s results rest on the Las Vegas center’s ability to gather a large sample of professional boxers and mixed-martial artists, to classify them according to the amount of time they have spent in the ring, and to cross-reference M.R.I. images of their brains and results from cognitive tests. . ”

I think just summarize this as straight down the middle as we can, neither overstated nor understating. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 17:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I just removed a reference to a study with no citation. Please do not make baseless claims. 24.222.90.31 (talk) 10:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Erroneous Fact on Opening Paragraphs
That website (newfullcontact) had NOTHING to do with MMA being named MMA. Howard Rosenburg has NO place in MMA history. This is a shameful attempt to advertise a website and promote a name. Gunnerdevil4 (talk) 07:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Howard Rosenburg's use in his LA Times in November of 1993 of the term "mixed martial arts" in reference to UFC 1 is the earliest instance of the term used to describe the sport. Moreover, it is used in mainstream print media and cited correctly.  There is no legitimate reason for you to have removed the entire section on the origin of the term.  I did not situate the discussion of the sport's name (and it's originator) in the opening paragraph; that has been a feature of the article for many, many years.  I edited the information in that sentence to reflect a different (and early) source for the term.  The sentence and reference dealing with www.newfullcontact.com was added to show the reader how Rosenberg's use of the term came to be widely viewable by the MMA industry and fan base.  It is not an attempt to promote that site; indeed, that website has been defunct and off-line for a decade.  I am merely a person remembered that Rosenberg's article had been hosted there; I have nothing to do with the staff of that site whatsoever, and no interest in "advertising" it, or Rosenberg.  I am restoring the reference to Rosenberg and the LA Times article, but leaving the newfullcontact reference out for the moment, to give yourself and others a chance to weigh in on its relevance.  My original reason for including it was to address the reader's natural curiosity as to how the term became known to the fanbase and the industry, rather than solely known to readers of the LA Times.  MixedMartialArtsHistory (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


 * http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/10/27/3560844/blatnicks-funeral-and-how-the-term-mma-came-to-be it was JEFF BLATNICK that termed mixed martial arts, until you find a source that says otherwise, then i'm taking your reference out. Gunnerdevil4 (talk) 23:45, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Here is the reference which you deleted: Los Angeles Times, Nov 15, 1993,`Ultimate' Fight Lives Up to Name Television: Pay-Per-View Battle, Instead of Being Merely Gory and Funny,, Los Angeles Times (home edition), November 15, 1993
 * And here is the link I provided to its text: http://web.archive.org/web/19980203181511/http://www.newfullcontact.com/int_art/ufc1_art.htm
 * A direct ling to the LA Times content, on their official site, is here http://articles.latimes.com/1993-11-15/entertainment/ca-57200_1_ultimate-fighting-championship, from which I quote:
 * "He was swiftly taken down and dispatched with a chokehold by jujitsu master Royce Gracie, whose family is synonymous with the sport in their native Brazil, where mixed-martial arts championships like this one are commonplace." (dated November 15, 1993).
 * The usage by Jeff Blatnick's on the day of UFC 17 (May 15, 1998) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_17.
 * References given; edit undone.
 * MixedMartialArtsHistory (talk) 00:11, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Why Taekwondo was deleted from MMA article?
Is there any reason why TKD has been deleted from MMA article under common disciplines? It is as popular and practiced discipline in MMA as karate and judo and they both are still in this section. Also that is strange that there is no Sambo included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.110.90.203 (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Taekwondo
Does anyone think a section on Taekwondo should be done. www.fightmagazine.com Dwanyewest (talk) 05:07, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. TKD already was in a list, but got deleted. Your link is very good. And as of now, Pettis is a champ and has kept his style of kick-heavy fighting style. Anderson Silva clearly stated in his book that he used TKD kicks with muay thai knees and elbows right from the beginning of his career, and is 5th dan black belt. Mirko Filipovic too has a TKD base and many have noted that his kicking is quiet different (use of snap, use of instep, not spinning around if missing kick etc.) than traditional Muay Thai.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.84.98.87 (talk) 20:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Early history - apparent error
The "Early History" section includes the 1901 match between boxer Frank Slavin and wrestler Frank Gotch. From what I see in other sources, however, this was strictly a boxing match (no wrestling allowed), Gotch agreeing to fight in Slavin's discipline. So it should not be in this section as it was not no-holds-barred or mixed martial arts or one discipline vs another; it was just as boxing match. See, e.g., this reference: http://www.frankgotch.com/biography3.html

I leave it to someone else to delete as in my experience trying to change anything on Wikipedia is not worth the headache when someone inevitably disagrees, reverts, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.16.106.232 (talk) 01:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Origins of the Term "Mixed Martial Arts"
I’m a new user to Wikipedia and, overall, I’m very impressed with this particular page. The citations seem to be thorough, there is a lot of depth to the contributions, and the page is full of relevant pictures and links. However, one area that surprised me was that the page claims that Howard Rosenberg coined the term “mixed-martial arts” in an article he wrote in 1993. I had always believed the term was much older than that. When I read the article Rosenberg does use the term “mixed-martial arts” but does so in a way that suggests that the term is already in regular use in brazil, “Royce Gracie, whose family is synonymous with the sport in their native Brazil, where mixed-martial arts championships like this one are commonplace.” When I asked Google to find the origins of the term “mixed-martial arts” it is hardly conclusive. It is certainly possible that Rosenberg was the first to use the term, especially in print, but doesn’t the lack of verifiability of this particular statement suggest that the page should at least offer some of the other origins of the term as a possibility? Jerjj3 (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I have come upon the same conclusion. i have made the text more accurate to reflect the sources cited. Bigbaby23 (talk) 15:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Aikido
This is a great page for MMA and overall does a decent job covering the majority of everything MMA. I am surprised that Aikido is not covered in the different disciplines. Its not as popular as Jiu-Jitsu, but it is still common among martial arts. With the mention of Karate and Kung fu, Aikido should get some mention. The non attention could come from the fact that Aikido does not work as well in the UFC as well as some of the other disciplines. Most of the techniques for Aikido rely on using a gi and take downs are not something that is relevant in the art. Even though Aikido may not be the best fit for an MMA fighter it should still be relevant enough to get mentioned. Brettv123 (talk) 00:35, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I have never seen or read about anyone using Aikido in MMA. I sit cageside for at least 20 fights a month and have done so for the past 8 years from local amateur matches up to Bellator, StrikeForce, UFC and have been in more gyms than I can remember. I say this as a student of Aikido since the 90s as well. Why would we mention it if it is not relevant?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 02:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

List of Academic studies on MMA
The article does use academic studies regarding injuries in MMA. But I found a Sociological study. i will list it here. i don't have time right now to insert information from it to the article. it also has many quality citations to other academic works on the subject

‘As Real As It Gets!’ Producing hyperviolence in mixed martial arts http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/jomec/jomecjournal/5-june2014/Downey_MMA.pdf Bigbaby23 (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Origin of MMA in America
There seems to be conflicting information. This article claims the UFC was the first official promotion of "MMA" in america. Though according to CV Productions, Inc. article (a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania-based mixed martial arts company), which is well cited, CV was sanctioning "MMA" fights already in 1979. Bigbaby23 (talk) 16:15, 31 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I found a good secondary source, and updated the info in the article Bigbaby23 (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

"Strategies"
Eight years ago, I proposed eliminating the references to "sprawl and brawl" and other headers that now reside in the "Strategies" section. These are slang terms. They are rarely ever used by reputable sources to describe a fighter's approach, but the article suggests these are commonly used. In fact, these terms are almost never used any more as fighters evolve away from single-style 108.171.131.165 (talk) 20:33, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree. 888Nadim (talk) 05:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Table of Contents
Hi, I am interested in floating the Table of Contents to the right. What this means is it will appear on the right under the first info. box, and with text from the first section 'Men's competition/Early history' on its left hand side. The TOC will continue to be collapsible. The two pictures in this section will be left aligned, one above the other. The table of dates will continue to be located further down the page, although probably a paragraph or two lower and it might overlap into the 'Modern sport' section (for reasons of best positioning horizontally speaking). This solution will get rid of the huge white space (which I think most would agree is a problem) between the intro and the first section. I have tested it and it looks pretty good. If you have any suggestions, or are against the proposal, feel free to leave a message here. Thanks RickyBennison (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Alternatively, the TOC can be kept on the left, with text and pictures on its right. This seems to work best if the 'Timeline of major events' is unfloated.

The unfloating and expansion of the 'Timeline of major events' also makes it look a lot better and it is much easier to read. I also suggest putting the timeline in a section of its own, so it is navigable to via the TOC.RickyBennison (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Legality of MMA competition
Hello,

I was thinking that perhaps the topic of MMA legality could be more fleshed out, or maybe even have it become its own page entirely. I believe that their is a lot more history and significance to the legality of the sport then is represented here and I think it is significant enough to possibly have its own page.

For example on the topic of Legality of competition in the US, the section makes no mention John McCain's campaign to ban the sport in 90's or of how many states the sport was initially banned in (I believe it was 36 states?) and I believe such details are important to the topic.

What do you all think?

Also i found many citation links on the topic that no longer work or lead to the wrong article. I also feel that Citations 205 and 206 are not appropriate references as 205 links to a google translate page and 206 links to a Youtube video of an mma fight.
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Taiwan and Cambodia lack citations completely, while i believe India also needs a citation when talking about allegations made by fighters not getting insurance, medical care, and financial benefits.

Lastly Singapore and South Africa have been needing citations since 2016 and 2012 respectively.

Thank You Jk119 (talk) 02:08, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

References?
At the end of this section, there are a number of links that appear to have been intended to be formatted as references of some sort, but I'm unsure how to fix the markup. MarqFJA87 (talk) 00:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Good day. Did you meant from "(February 10, 2011)" to "(September 4, 2012)," under "The greatest MMA fighter of all time is considered by experts......" section where by the links are external? Cassiopeia(talk) 06:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's what I'm referring to. MarqFJA87 (talk) 20:44, 1 August 2021

"Strategies"
This is referring the the "Basic Strategies" section in the article

See the concerns that a previous user brought up (in this talk page with the same subject heading "Strategies").

I think that these terms are pretty outdated for modern day MMA. I would be in favor of completely removing or changing the content of this section

888Nadim (talk) 05:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I think its fine. They are sub-sections and not the main section title, so I think that makes the use of slang more acceptable. If you didn't use 'sprawl and brawl' what would you use? I think you would need a very strong argument to justify completely remove the section. RickyBennison (talk) 12:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Lists
There are numerous lists in the article, some bullet pointed and others in-line. Some of them are egregiously long. For example, the in-line list for Brazilian ju-jitsu practitioners has 32 entries. The top MMA promotions list has 15 entries. I think this is an excess of information and detracts from the readability of the article as a whole. What I propose is that there is a cap on lists to 10 entries. This should help people to move through the article more easily without getting hit with a deluge of information which isn't always that pertinent. Its probable that the lists will be added to again and in the future that they will need to be pruned again. So in that sense it would be a soft-cap as opposed to a strictly enforced cap. RickyBennison (talk) 22:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)