Talk:Monsoon/Archive 1

Kakka
The NOTRTHEASTERN monsoon in Tamil Nadu begins typically in kakka. What is "kakka"? Nik42 00:14, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I was wondering the same thing... The Finnish word "kakka" means "shit" or "poo", so it might be vandalism. KFP 20:24, 17 May 2005 (UTC) I removed that sentence as I was unable to find any other meaning for "Kakka" than the one above. KFP 15:02, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Kakka means crow squeek! in Tamil. It was obviously a prank. Idleguy 17:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

References needed
This article needs references for the sections on the Asian monsoons. -- Beland 4 July 2005 21:25 (UTC)


 * In some weeks I will work on Monsun (monsoon), Enstehung eines Monsuns (basical monsoon dynamics), Indischer Monsun (indian monsoon), Amerikanischer Monsun (american monsoon phenomena), Afrikanischer Monsun (african monsoon/monsoon phenomena), Monsunkriterien (monsoon criteria/monsoon definition), Monsunwind (monsoon wind), Monsunregen (monsoon rain), Monsunwald (monsoon forest) and some others. It's not possible for me to translate this huge amount of articles (note: they are today only a base of what will come in future). The main point is there are nearly no basics in the english wikipedia I can build upon. But if you need informations about monsoons: ask me. --Saperaud 00:00, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Monsoons are not storms like this article leads people to belive. They are actually a seasonal change of wind direction which causes massive rains AND very dry periods, even draughts. Although I have plenty of information here in the book "Diversity Amid Globalization", Im having trouble finding sources online. Most people relate monsoon with heavy rains, but that is considered slang and not what a monsoon actually is. Lanaii 13:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A monsoon is a seasonal (climatological) phenomenon, so develops and subsides over a period of months with typically one cycle per year. Not to be confused with the individual weather systems that comprise a monsoon.  So you could photograph a storm within a monsoon season but not a monsoon itself, which makes the image (or at least the caption) at the head of this article a bit absurd.  (Deditos 12:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC))


 * I was thinking it would be relevant to add the link to the "African Monsoon Multidisciplinary Analyses (AMMA)" at the end, but unsure how. It's a large international collaboration that started a few years ago to study the monsoon and its effects. The link is http://amma.mediasfrance.org/, if anybody else thinks it's relevant, please add it! Thanks. 81.35.228.138 (talk) 11:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Improvement Drive
I've nominated this article for improvement, as I feel it has currently not got much beyond a stub and there's potential for it to be a really nice article. The article needs at least an more accurate definition and descriptions of each of the major tropical/sub-tropical monsoons: South-west Asian (Indian), South-east Asian, West African, North American, South American, Australian. I'll be giving it a go, but hopefully others will get on board. (Deditos 12:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC))
 * Unfortunately, it didn't make the cut. I'll try to do bits and pieces anyhow. Deditos 17:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

01-VII-2006 edit
I've edited out the bit in the Indian monsoon section talking about children loving it and people going about in raincoats -- it's hardly a provocatively cultural thing that indians wear raincoats and rubber boots and use umbrellas in the rain. I've also changed the tone a little bit and alluded to the Mumbai floods of 2005. -- 219.91.152.10 03:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Sources of moisture
I can find no references to the Gulf of Mexico as a source of moisture for the North American Monsoon so I removed that from the article. All of the references I can find refer to moisture coming from the Gulf of California and the Pacific Ocean. Maps show moisture funneled between Baja California and the Sierra Madre Occidental from a source in the tropical eastern Pacific. Some of this moisture may do an "end-around" from the Gulf of Mexico but I can find no mention of it. Rsduhamel 14:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/monsoon.php?wfo=fgz Fred Bauder 20:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Rain season vs Rainy season
I know nothing about this stuff, but I notice that Rain season redirects to one article, and Rainy season to another. Is this proper? Should we merge? Cheers. PizzaMargherita 16:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Proper citations required
Yes, the article needs better organization and better defenitions. For instance, the southwest summer monsoon is part of the Asian/Indian monson. Hopefully, I will be able to add/edit a few statements and also include proper citations in the coming days. While talking about scientific articles, citations are of utmost important to avoid misrepresentation, misunderstanding and ambiguity.--Rocksea 03:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * With a year of no progress on this matter, I started the process a few months ago of adding references and cleaning up the wording due to the upgrade of monsoon trough to GA class. Feel free to help out, if you can.  Maybe we can make this a GA article in the next couple months.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed Information
There was a section about "God" on this page that had nothing to do whatsoever with monsoons. It was removed. March 6- 11:19PM EST. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadowduck02 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Article Vandalization Alert!
The following was found in the opening of the article: "jesus loves you!!;;". I of course removed it and hopefully put back everything to the way its supposed (I hope) to be. =) 74.96.186.207 20:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

North America drought?
Vis-a-vis the fact tag added to the article. A quick google revealed little evidence for any "continuous drought status", in fact, this article preprint Contemporary Trends in Drought on the North American Continent indicates that severe droughts have affected a decreasing area of the South-west US since 1990 (Fig 1g). This doesn't disprove the "continuous drought" idea, but there's still no positive source for that statement. Deditos 12:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Image clutter
There are lots of great images in the article, but they clutter it up and make it look a mess. I'll try to put some of them in a gallery so they won't be lost. -- Fyslee/talk 18:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I dropped the gallery idea after discovering it was only one very atypical image that was causing all the problems. I restored the original lead paragraph and the new one as well. -- Fyslee/talk 19:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Etymology
The word Monsoon may come from the Vietnamese mùa xuân which translate to "spring season". (Reference: Google translate from English to Vietnamese, typing "The four seasons are:spring, summer, autumn and winter" gives : "Bốn mùa là: mùa xuân, mùa hè, mùa thu và mùa đông"). The word would have entered the European languages thru French at the time of colonization.

The vietnamese pronounce the word "xuân" like if it was spelled in PinYin "Xun2", the sound "soon" with a rising tone is not decomposed as two sound (i.e. not decomposed as if it would be "Xu" followed by "ân" or "oon"). As for the word "mùa", season, it is effectively pronounced as two sounds : "moo" followed by "a" with a falling tone. The french pronounce the word as if it was spelled "mousson", the first part being pronounced as "moo" and second part being pronounced as "son"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.225.208 (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2013 (UTC) The etymology given for "monsoon" is dubious. Numerous reliable sources (e.g., http://www.bartleby.com/61/21/M0402100.html) give an Arabic etymology with the meaning "season", not a Hindi etymology with the meaning "weather". 128.165.87.144 (talk) 16:56, August 27, 2007
 * Second that, monsoon is from Arabic mawsim meaning season --76.81.32.83 08:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism after last edit on 19 August 2007 by RyanW124
Just to clarify, everything after the last edit on 19 August 2007 by RyanW124 appears to be vandalism and reverts of vandalism. The page was pretty-much gutted and only a few bits had been reverted back. The above last edit looked like the last good copy of the page. I reverted to the above edit on 20:11, August 27, 2007 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.159.225.121 (talk) 20:16, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Add asian monsoons to this article
I think we should add asian monsoons to this article because it is about monsoon and that article does have different sections for indian monsoons and african monsoons. Amisha Dave 1996 22:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You are probably refering to the article Asian Monsoon. I made it a redirect to this article. A merge template has been in place for three months, and no credible reasons against it have been stated. The information that was in the article was very limited, nothing that isn't already here. -- Pepve (talk) 00:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Where monsoon come from?
I'm very intresthing in this about monsoon. But i whan to know more about monsoon, whereare they comefrom what are they made of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.11.145.46 (talk) 18:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

It seems that every time we get a system of rain coming through, the weathercasters call it a monsoon. I don't recall this in the past.Flight Risk (talk) 13:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

These article is incomplete
It must not be an article about an Indian or some continent affected by monsoon, the monsoon season largely affecting the whole of southeast asia is gladly ignored, if the article regarding the southwest monsoon in southeast asia is denied well all is bias and ignorance instead of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.68.114 (talk) 06:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Be bold and add the missing information. This is wikipedia. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:50, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Life in the cities during the monsoon
I was just wondering if it would be a good idea (or not?) to add how the monsoon completely disrupts the normal life in India. At the risk of creating a very negative article, I have decided not to add to the main page. However, I did find a paragraph already present that briefly touches upon this topic. Any comments?? Ananth126 (talk) 20:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Add the southwest monsoon article in maritime southeast asia & mainland southeast asia.
For many months this article bypasses this 2 geographical regions of Asia largely affected by southwest monsoon from april to october, please update this article it sounds like choosy in it's gathering of information--121.54.68.114 (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Quality and importance
I think this should be an article of top importance in the importance scale of wikipedia. Monsoon is one phenomenon which affects the lives of more than a billion people in Asia. I also feel this article needs the attention of some experts. 117.199.16.246 (talk) 20:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It does need more work. I've added in a few more references. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Indian water distribution
The National Water Development Agency (NWDA) under the Ministry of Water Resources is developing major water buffers (basins) and river diversions to reduce floods and erosion during the monsoon. See this page and make a page about the water buffer/diversion project —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.243.178.120 (talk) 09:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Indo-Australian Monsoon
The section under Indo-Australian Monsoon is full of confusing technobabble... If plain english was used, then it would be of more use to the layman. Can someone either explain or translate:
 * Hadley circulation
 * Boreal winter
 * Heating maxima
 * Borneo topography
 * Cyclonic circulation vortex
 * Cold surges
 * Significant weather phenomena
 * Rare low-latitude tropical storm
 * Maritime Continent
 * Complex interaction topography
 * Annual rainfall in Northern Australia fall

Eddie - 58.169.242.198 (talk) 10:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Article reconstruction
Hello editors (and readers), I have noticed a large number or errors and vandal-work existing in both Monsoon and this talk page. Hence i have performed a total cleanup on both these pages. Please do let me know if i have negatively changed anything. Also, editors, it would be neater if articles can be made for each of the new sections (level 3 headers). Kind regards. Rehman(+) 12:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Winter and summer monsoon
Wouldn't it be possible to split the section Process into to level 3 sections, one about winter monsoon process and one about summer monsoon process? Because I am quite confused about how each of them works. But it is also possible that I understand it incorrectly. Cheers --Mashaunix (talk) 22:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems a reasonable point. I will look into it soon. Best regards. Rehman(+) 01:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Dubious Assertion in Intro
I removed the following passage: "In hydrology, monsoon rainfall is considered to be that which occurs in any region that receives the majority of its rain during a particular season. This allows other regions of the world to qualify as monsoon regions." I challenge the truth of this statement. There are many places in the world with seasonal rainfall maximums that are clearly not associated with a monsoon system. For example, California gets most of its rain during the winter, and virtually none during the summer. I believe the key distinction is the specifically monsoonal feature of land-based thermal troughing in the rainy phase, which only occurs in tropical and equatorial regions. I also don't agree that the above-stated seasonality of rainfall is THE reason why areas outside of Asia "qualify" as monsoonal. Again, I believe it's the common element of thermal troughing as the driving mechanism which "qualifies" these other regions. I left the footnote in since it is an excellent general reference. Perhaps it belongs at another place in the article. Did it really support the deleted text? I doubt it. Without a page-referenced citation, it's hard to know. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but please show me. Tmangray (talk) 00:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Southeast Asia
Southeast Asia, which includes the Philippine and Indonesian archipelagos in addiction to the mainland, seems to have been largely overlooked, despite its large land mass, and being largely dependent on monsoon rains; and on the dry monsoon, for navigation. What gives? --Pawyilee (talk) 10:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The only article Yahoo found, titled Southeast Asia's monsoon latitudes for Indochina Peninsula: Myanmar (Burma) Thailand Laos Vietnam and Cambodia, is blacklisted for spam. --Pawyilee (talk) 10:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

South American monsoon
An OTRS correspondent (Ticket#2012111710001601) has written:

"I am giving you below one of some data on work published in Science Journal. It is a Japanese Article by "Murakami Takio “ in on " the recent development in monsoon research " ; Note, 204, Japan Met. Soc. , 2003, in which he has briefly discussed on the S. American monsoon in Japanese."

If anyone can access the paper cited, they might like to update the article accordingly. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:39, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Copy edits
I have made some copy edits to the article. Please check that there are no unintended changes of meaning. NB in Northern Australia the monsoon is referred to as "the Wet". Michael Glass (talk) 08:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Anabatic wind
Is this merely the grandest scale of Anabatic wind? Jim.henderson (talk) 19:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2014
The word monsoon is very close to hindi word 'mausam'.

24.2.64.101 (talk) 16:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

❌ Interesting, but quite common - Urdu, which as you know is mutually intelligible with Hindi, borrowed much of its specialised vocabulary from Arabic. Unless you can come up with a reliable source that disproves the Oxford English Dictionary we will stick with the OED Arjayay (talk) 16:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Hindi-Urdu mawsim or mawsam is | from the Arabic. But the OED reference is not complete in the article.51.39.133.136 (talk) 17:43, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism Notice 3/2/15
On the Wikipedia Android App, there's vandalism on the page header under the title. I believe this feature is only on mobile version of Wikipedia.

It says:

"I HATE MONSOON"

I do not know how to edit this out.

Merlot70 (talk) 11:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see it on mobile version (through a desktop PC though). Maybe this is some caching issue on your side. Materialscientist (talk) 11:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Subject-verb agreement error in follow sentence ... should be "heat up" not "heats up": The Thar Desert and adjoining areas of the northern and central Indian subcontinent heats up considerably during the hot summers.

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 * ✅. --Hadger (talk) 04:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

monsoon defenition
when monsoon will be produced the place that it will hit will have a cold, wet, and rainy weather. When people hear monsoons they think that there will be a typhoon but they are wrong. Monsoons is a wind system that blows by season toward either ocean or land. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.79.92 (talk) 12:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Reference
I s it possible to get reference to " Thar Desert, have surprisingly ended up receiving floods due to the prolonged monsoon season." News links that tells the year, background...etc. and wiki link to this phenomena "with the sun fast retreating south, the northern land mass of the Indian subcontinent begins to cool off rapidly." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.127.176 (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2016
hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa you will never know about a monsoon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.71.109 (talk) 09:30, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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An apparent ambiguity: a mere criticism:
The phrase "reversing wind" is not defined in this article nor the linked article 'Wind'… nor even the search engine 'bing', which sends me back to this article, 'Monsoon' where said phrase seems to be a defining description of what a monsoon is as opposed to what a monsoon is not. From personal knowledge I know that there is a reversal of the direction of the wind as an hurricane passes over; and there is a daily reversal of wind direction known as land breeze versus sea breeze… COULDHAVETOLDMESOONER (talk) 07:57, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Mausam is Urdu not Hindi
The etymology reference to Mausam being Hindi is incorrect, Hindi word for season is Ritu, Mausam is from Urdu Solo-man (talk) 21:30, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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Question about monsoons and Indian Ocean history
From my experience and learning in a college world history class, reading this article I expected to find some references to lateen sails, and other technologies and innovations that arose because of the Indian Ocean monsoon weather pattern. In that class, and in the text "Traditions and Encounters" (Bentley; 5th edition), it was pointed out that the history of India and Indian science was greatly influenced by the fact that they were finding out how to use nature to their advantage by using the seasonally reversing winds for trade with neighboring regions. It would be great to add a section about how the Indian Ocean monsoons had this influence. Not sure if this article would be the best place to add it, or if there is another specific article that this info could be added to. I did some simple wikipedia searches and did not find any info on what I've mentioned, so maybe it has not been added yet. Regards Rhjohn0909 (talk) 23:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Monsoon in India and Pakistan
Meghalya, a state in India, receive over 36 feet of rain a year. In India alone, about 1000 people were killed and twelve(12) million people may have fled from their homes last year due to monsoon rain. On August 29, 2017, rainfall had shutdown Mumbai and caused a building to collapse on the 31st.

"Photoshopped" photo
The photo with the caption "Monsoon clouds in Madhya Pradesh" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:(1)_Agriculture_and_rural_farms_of_India.jpg) in the Northeast Monsoon section looks like it is "photoshopped" to have rain. The rain in the photo looks fake, and note that the clothes on the people are bone dry. Not sure using doctored photos like this is appropriate here. — al-Shimoni  (talk) 10:07, 12 November 2019 (UTC)